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Italy and Greece Trip Report

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Omg! I loved reading about your awesome trip! So glad you guys had such a fabulous time! Love the photos! Everything you planned seemed to work out perfectly! Your efforts into the planning paid off!

It’s true what you said about the people and food being the best part. People I know who have been to Italy say the same thing.

Can I ask- how did you do carryons for such a long trip! Did you use laundry service at the hotels?

Also- how did your eSIM cards work on your phones with Airelo?

Oh- and how much in euros did you take with you? Denominations? Coins ( for toilets). Etc? We know you can use credit cards at restaurants and shops but I mean for things like an expresso or a gelato, some tips, etc.

Thanks, MaryAnn. It truly was everything we wanted from it. All the planning and research went pretty much to plan. I had each thing we'd scheduled printed out, (vouchers and such), and in chronological order in a manila envelope. On a given day, I took the next page(s) in the stack and carried it with me, as a backup in case my phone battery died, or something. I had a small daypack I carried, and on the back side of it was a flat zipper pocket too small for anything bulky, but a perfect place to slide that day's printed pages. It worked great.

Carry-ons was a challenge, and the first time we tried this. We packed easy-care clothes we could wash out in hotel rooms, but the weather was so humid, that didn't work out very well. We ended up finding a laundromat in Florence (a block from our hotel), and then we also did a bag of laundry on the cruise ship. We stretched things out. I took anti-sweat polo shirts that actually worked well for me, and I was able to wear the same shirt several times before it needed to be laundered. I wore shorts every day, and only wore long pants on the planes, and the days we were going to churches. (They have dress codes in a lot of locations.) By the time I got home, the only thing I had left "clean" was two pairs of socks. :D Next time, we'll check a bag and deal with it.

The eSim from Airalo worked flawlessly. Piece of cake. We'd previously changed our phones to eSims instead of a physical SIM card. So no physical card to hassle with. A few days before the trip we bought an Airalo eSim and installed it, but didn't activate it. (They have a time stamp from when they're activated, and expire at the end of that period.) When we boarded the plane for London, I put my phone in Airplane Mode, and switched from the Primary eSim from our cell carrier (Consumer Cellular) to the "Travel Airalo" eSim. Then I turned the phone off.

When we landed in London, I turned the phone on. The Travel Airalo eSim kicked in, it found a local network it wanted, and life was good. (On the way home I reversed the process.)

However: Everywhere you go has WiFi, and we didn't use much data at all. We connected to local WiFi as often as we could. We were able to send and receive emails and texts normally. We made voice calls back home using WhatsApp, which worked great. We didn't need to call any restaurants or tour people or anything, so didn't need to call anybody locally. On the occasions we needed a taxi, we asked the hotel desk clerk or shopkeeper if they'd call a taxi for us, which they were happy to do. That worked better, because they had a relationship with the taxi companies. Hailing a taxi on the street doesn't work. You need to go to a taxi stand stop, which may not be convenient.

We bought 10gb Airalo eSims, and we used the heck out of things the whole time we were gone. My eSim has 8.12 gb left on it. Jeff's has 7. So we could easily have purchased a lower eSim, and saved that cost. So I'd go with the cheapest eSim Airalo has available, knowing you can top-up if you run low. The Airalo phone app will tell you how much data you have left, and offer to top you up if you run low.

We took $500 in Euros with us. A few days before we left, our bank sent us a mix of Euros and British Pounds overnight (for a $10 fee), so we'd have pocket money. We used about half of the Pounds, but we used all of the Euros. We went to an ATM in Civitavecchia and got another $250 in Euros, because we'd used up what we took. We came home with only a 5 Euro bill left. The assorted Euro coins we accumulated was used as best we could, and we ended up leaving the rest of it behind as a tip for housekeeping in our last hotel, so we didn't have to carry it home.

When you use a credit card to pay for something, if any machines asks if you want them to make the exchange rate, or let your credit card make the exchange, always tell it to let the credit card or your bank make the exchange - you'll get a better rate. If you let the merchant or the ATM do it, you won't get as good a rate. Avoid EuroNet ATM machines - they're common, but they have sneaky ways to trick you into paying extra costs. When possible, use an ATM associated with a bank, and not in a merchant shop or on the street.

We used Euros as needed for things, as you suggested, but we used a credit card when we needed to pay a higher amount. Everybody takes credit cards, and has the little machines where you tap to pay. The credit card was never out of our hands.

As for toilets - we only needed to pay one time. Every restaurant and many shops have a toilet. All you have to do is ask where it is. No charge.

Tips: Make note that in Italy and Greece, tipping is not expected. Waitstaff are paid well, and tipping is optional. Only do it for exceptional service.

BTW, I know you were concerned about Mt. Etna. Our cruise ship went between Sicily and the tip of Italy's boot. The skies as far as we could see over Sicily were blue and clear. No sign of anything volcanic was going on.

Have fun!

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I hope they don't keep up their habit of similar-named ships in each 'family'. I'd be darn leery of booking passage on Celebrity Descent!

The fifth and final Edge-class ship Celebrity is building right now is named "Xcel." Yes, poor spelling mandatory, since an X is in Celebrity's logo. :D

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Great report, Dave. Since I’m a foodie, I’m going to ask; what was your favorite meal in Greece and Italy? You gave us some vagaries in your recap, but I want to know a specific meal in each location.

Oh, and welcome home! :D

Specifics would be difficult. Some of the best were things the restaurants had on the menu that their chef had come up with.

I ate a lot of salads. I've never had such fresh and flavorful vegetables in my life. They were truly amazing.

My favorite: In Italy, I had a meal with pasta tubes that were smaller than cannelloni, not sure of the name. (Thin walled, about one inch long, but maybe a half-inch diameter.) It had a finely-ground pork sausage sauce on it that was just outstanding. In Greece, hands down, it was very tender chicken souvlaki, with a Greek salad with fresh feta. Warm pita bread and homemade tzatziki. Man, it was good!

Jeff's favorites: A filet mignon in three-pepper sauce in Florence. In Greece, it was pistitsio.

Each meal was better than the one before. Seriously, those folks know how to cook!

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For those who are asking, this is another of Jeff's pictures. The man astounds me. :D

The Rialto Bridge in Venice.


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Thanks, MaryAnn. It truly was everything we wanted from it. All the planning and research went pretty much to plan. I had each thing we'd scheduled printed out, (vouchers and such), and in chronological order in a manila envelope. On a given day, I took the next page(s) in the stack and carried it with me, as a backup in case my phone battery died, or something. I had a small daypack I carried, and on the back side of it was a flat zipper pocket too small for anything bulky, but a perfect place to slide that day's printed pages. It worked great.

Carry-ons was a challenge, and the first time we tried this. We packed easy-care clothes we could wash out in hotel rooms, but the weather was so humid, that didn't work out very well. We ended up finding a laundromat in Florence (a block from our hotel), and then we also did a bag of laundry on the cruise ship. We stretched things out. I took anti-sweat polo shirts that actually worked well for me, and I was able to wear the same shirt several times before it needed to be laundered. I wore shorts every day, and only wore long pants on the planes, and the days we were going to churches. (They have dress codes in a lot of locations.) By the time I got home, the only thing I had left "clean" was two pairs of socks. :D Next time, we'll check a bag and deal with it.

The eSim from Airalo worked flawlessly. Piece of cake. We'd previously changed our phones to eSims instead of a physical SIM card. So no physical card to hassle with. A few days before the trip we bought an Airalo eSim and installed it, but didn't activate it. (They have a time stamp from when they're activated, and expire at the end of that period.) When we boarded the plane for London, I put my phone in Airplane Mode, and switched from the Primary eSim from our cell carrier (Consumer Cellular) to the "Travel Airalo" eSim. Then I turned the phone off.

When we landed in London, I turned the phone on. The Travel Airalo eSim kicked in, it found a local network it wanted, and life was good. (On the way home I reversed the process.)

However: Everywhere you go has WiFi, and we didn't use much data at all. We connected to local WiFi as often as we could. We were able to send and receive emails and texts normally. We made voice calls back home using WhatsApp, which worked great. We didn't need to call any restaurants or tour people or anything, so didn't need to call anybody locally. On the occasions we needed a taxi, we asked the hotel desk clerk or shopkeeper if they'd call a taxi for us, which they were happy to do. That worked better, because they had a relationship with the taxi companies. Hailing a taxi on the street doesn't work. You need to go to a taxi stand stop, which may not be convenient.

We bought 10gb Airalo eSims, and we used the heck out of things the whole time we were gone. My eSim has 8.12 gb left on it. Jeff's has 7. So we could easily have purchased a lower eSim, and saved that cost. So I'd go with the cheapest eSim Airalo has available, knowing you can top-up if you run low. The Airalo phone app will tell you how much data you have left, and offer to top you up if you run low.

We took $500 in Euros with us. A few days before we left, our bank sent us a mix of Euros and British Pounds overnight (for a $10 fee), so we'd have pocket money. We used about half of the Pounds, but we used all of the Euros. We went to an ATM in Civitavecchia and got another $250 in Euros, because we'd used up what we took. We came home with only a 5 Euro bill left. The assorted Euro coins we accumulated was used as best we could, and we ended up leaving the rest of it behind as a tip for housekeeping in our last hotel, so we didn't have to carry it home.

When you use a credit card to pay for something, if any machines asks if you want them to make the exchange rate, or let your credit card make the exchange, always tell it to let the credit card or your bank make the exchange - you'll get a better rate. If you let the merchant or the ATM do it, you won't get as good a rate. Avoid EuroNet ATM machines - they're common, but they have sneaky ways to trick you into paying extra costs. When possible, use an ATM associated with a bank, and not in a merchant shop or on the street.

We used Euros as needed for things, as you suggested, but we used a credit card when we needed to pay a higher amount. Everybody takes credit cards, and has the little machines where you tap to pay. The credit card was never out of our hands.

As for toilets - we only needed to pay one time. Every restaurant and many shops have a toilet. All you have to do is ask where it is. No charge.

Tips: Make note that in Italy and Greece, tipping is not expected. Waitstaff are paid well, and tipping is optional. Only do it for exceptional service.

BTW, I know you were concerned about Mt. Etna. Our cruise ship went between Sicily and the tip of Italy's boot. The skies as far as we could see over Sicily were blue and clear. No sign of anything volcanic was going on.

Have fun!

Dave
Thanks so much, Dave! Incredibly helpful!

So let me understand- in order to use Airalo we have to take the physical SIM cards out of our phones when we get to the first airport in Munich? So we’d need a way to take it out- like a paper clip- and hope not to lose the SIM card? So tiny. Yikes!

On top of everything we discovered today that though my husbands phone is supposed to be unlocked for some reason it isn’t. Straight talk doesn’t know why as they show it as being unlocked. So another dilemma.

I want to be able to make a phone call to a business in the USA like the airport car service we are using, for example, if we miss our returning flight with the short connection time, and also to call the travel insurance company ( very important!) or our travel agent if need be. I can’t imagine not being able to make a phone call in an emergency.

So I think we will definitely take 2 carryons, 2 small back packs and one checked luggage. Thanks for your input on that.

As for euros I’m thinking maybe $200- $250 for pocket, plus I need to find out about if we tip the tour director in Euros or USA. All other tips are included in the tour, but we still will have some at the airports plus the incidentals I mentioned. We aren’t shopping to bring home anything.

Do you need to know PIN numbers for the credit cards or do you just tap and go?
 

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Thanks, Diane. My pictures were just my attempt at "atmosphere." My Jeff is the photo genius. His stuff is spectacular.

This is just a quick sample of the kind of stuff he does. That's the Rialto Bridge on the left. He took this as we were passing by on a vaporetto. It's evocative of everything Venice represents, don't you think? :D


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I agree -- including Gondola guy -- what's he called?
Driver doesn't seem correct.
 

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Thanks so much, Dave! Incredibly helpful!

So let me understand- in order to use Airalo we have to take the physical SIM cards out of our phones when we get to the first airport in Munich? So we’d need a way to take it out- like a paper clip- and hope not to lose the SIM card? So tiny. Yikes!

On top of everything we discovered today that though my husbands phone is supposed to be unlocked for some reason it isn’t. Straight talk doesn’t know why as they show it as being unlocked. So another dilemma.

I want to be able to make a phone call to a business in the USA like the airport car service we are using, for example, if we miss our returning flight with the short connection time, and also to call the travel insurance company ( very important!) or our travel agent if need be. I can’t imagine not being able to make a phone call in an emergency.

So I think we will definitely take 2 carryons, 2 small back packs and one checked luggage. Thanks for your input on that.

As for euros I’m thinking maybe $200- $250 for pocket, plus I need to find out about if we tip the tour director in Euros or USA. All other tips are included in the tour, but we still will have some at the airports plus the incidentals I mentioned. We aren’t shopping to bring home anything.

Do you need to know PIN numbers for the credit cards or do you just tap and go?
Check to see in your phone's Settings -> Cellular for a section titled "SIMs." My phone shows two - one named "Primary," and one I named "Travel Airalo" when I installed it. Currently, Primary shows ON, and Travel Airalo shows OFF. When we were on our trip, after switching Airplane Mode on, I turned off Primary, and turned on Travel Airalo. Then I shut off the phone. When I turned it on and took it off Airplane Mode, the Travel Airalo took over, and did what it was supposed to do. It was easier than it sounds. If yours doesn't show that, call your provider and ask them what you should do. Same with your husband's phone. As I recall, a phone needs to be unlocked to install an eSim. I don't think you need to remove your physical SIM card, if you can software switch to the eSim. Again, check with your provider. This is totally on them.

I didn't mention above that I had Consumer Cellular turn on International Roaming for the period we'd be gone, in case I needed to switch back to my Primary eSim to make a call. I didn't need it, but the option was there. After we got back, they turned it off again.

I'm sure tips would be well received in any currency. We tipped in Euros because we had them. But I saw others giving tour guides tips in dollars.

We did not need any PIN numbers for our credit cards. If you intend to use a debit card, you'll need your PIN, just like you would here at home. Things are very digital in Europe, and it was all very easy to do.

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Wow... what a fantastic and delightful review. Thanks for putting in the effort to give us the details.
 

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I understand what you're saying about the challenge of traveling with carryon only in warm weather, but if your next trip involves as much train travel and moving around as this one, I'd urge you to think carefully, especially as it sounds as if your husband has a back issue (if I remember right). We did a trip that involved going by train between Frankfurt, Berlin, Prague and Budapest, traveling with roller bags we'd checked. We were miserable lugging them on and off trains, around train stations, in and out of city transportation, etc. We vowed never again and have been happy using a rolled carryon and an under seat bag that slides over the handle.
 

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Kudos to Jeff!!! Amazing photography!!! :whooopie::clap::clap:
 

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I understand what you're saying about the challenge of traveling with carryon only in warm weather, but if your next trip involves as much train travel and moving around as this one, I'd urge you to think carefully, especially as it sounds as if your husband has a back issue (if I remember right). We did a trip that involved going by train between Frankfurt, Berlin, Prague and Budapest, traveling with roller bags we'd checked. We were miserable lugging them on and off trains, around train stations, in and out of city transportation, etc. We vowed never again and have been happy using a rolled carryon and an under seat bag that slides over the handle.

I think it was the three weeks that got ahead of us. We planned to be able to wash things out, but the weather wouldn’t let them dry effectively. Jeff does have a bad back, but I think he’d force himself to deal with it, if he could have clean clothes. :)

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What an amazing trip! Thanks for posting such a detailed report.

Thanks! I hope Tuggers get some value from it. :D

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It was fun to travel with you from the comfort of home. Welcome back!

Thank you! It was kind of weird - seeing in person the things I've seen on TV and in movies my whole life. :D

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I've been looking forward to your return and reading about your trip! Sounds just right! I'm glad it went well for you!

Thanks, Glynda. It was such a great trip, and went surprisingly well. Jeff says we need to rent an apartment in Athens. I'm thinking, "Um, maybe not..."
 

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Welcome back!!! Enjoyed reading your trip report and great pictures. Reminded me of our med cruise from many years ago and last year's trip to Italy.

You did an excellent job as your own TA :).

Thanks, Anna! As I said, there are a hundred ways to do a trip like this. We had a great time.

Jeff keeps telling me I need to be a Travel Agent. I keep telling him I don't want to work that hard. LOL! :D

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...Carry-ons was a challenge, and the first time we tried this. We packed easy-care clothes we could wash out in hotel rooms, but the weather was so humid, that didn't work out very well. We ended up finding a laundromat in Florence (a block from our hotel), and then we also did a bag of laundry on the cruise ship. We stretched things out. I took anti-sweat polo shirts that actually worked well for me, and I was able to wear the same shirt several times before it needed to be laundered. I wore shorts every day, and only wore long pants on the planes, and the days we were going to churches. (They have dress codes in a lot of locations.) By the time I got home, the only thing I had left "clean" was two pairs of socks. :D Next time, we'll check a bag and deal with it....

Where did you find the anti-sweat polo shirts? Brand? Website?
We're booked on a long cruise with Celebrity.
 
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