Is it inconsiderate to upgrade your exchange when you can easily use a smaller Unit?

[vacationhopeful]

During times of scarcity, yes.

There is no scarcity of timeshare units. Nor is timesharing a necesscity of life or for societies common good (like schools, police, medical care).

You are just unhappy that you can't find a 2bdr unit for your family during school vacations.

Buy your Marriott in the correct season and Home Resort, get up at the crack of dawn, and play the telephone dialing game like all the rest of the owners who want or need that week.

I personally use 2 cell phones and the house line doing the "redial" dance.

 

[SueDonJ]

Beefnot, what exchange DIDN'T you manage to get to fit your six people, while another TUGger reported getting the exact 2BR interval that you wanted?! That's the only reason I can think of that would send you off on this (IMO ridiculous) tirade about responsible timeshare owners/exchangers and how they should only take the minimum size unit that's necessary for the size of their party.

Here's a different way of thinking that might make you feel better about us gluttonous timeshare pigs taking too many bedrooms: my 3BR units sleep 12. When it's only Don and me who use them, we're practicing population control by freeing up lounge chairs at the pool NOT being used by the 10 guests who, according to you, should be sleeping in our beds. (Although as indulgent as it sounds, if the conditions at the pool are absolutely perfect - 83F, winds SE at 7mph, 42% humidity - then one of my suitcases likes to grab a pool lounger.)

 

[Beefnot]

Whew, so then according to the arbiter of ethical timesharing, we're not socialyl irresponsible jerks if we use a 1-br instead of a studio, even though there's a family of four out there who can't get into the resort - we're only ignorant space hogs if we go above what beefnot feels we're entitled to use.:

Decent point on the surface. However, I am choosing not to debate that point, as a separate sleeping area vs. not is more contentious, complex, and/or nuanced argument than what I raised already is. So while you raise a counterpoint intended to collapse the premise of my original post, I had intentionally set that aside. If that point is the lynchpin upon which you discount the entire premise, then carry on, nothing more to see here.

 

[vckempson]

Even in a capitalistic country like the U.S., there are plenty of laws and business practices that exist to serve the public good, and few would attack them as socialism.

Au Contraire. Many of our regulations cross the line into socialisn and more than just a few believe that.

I cannot tell you what is enjoyable,

Well you sure did, repeatedly. Here is what you said.

If you're suggesting that someone would elect not to travel and/or not enjoy their vacation because they were confined to 1br, I reject that assertion.

but I will call BS on any assertion that a 1br is not enjoyable.

And then I see this admission from you.

The size of the 1br Is a more believable argument.

We don't usually have a choice of different size 1 bdrm units, though. The added space usually comes by getting a 2 bdrm unit. I know it's easy to miss what 43 people said, but the general message was that we want the additional space, better appointments/supplies and the opportunity to have guests if possible, that all go with a 2 bdrm unit.

 

[ampaholic]

Decent point on the surface. However, I am choosing not to debate that point, as a separate sleeping area vs. not is more contentious, complex, and/or nuanced argument than what I raised already is. So while you raise a counterpoint intended to collapse the premise of my original post, I had intentionally set that aside. If that point is the lynchpin upon which you discount the entire premise, then carry on, nothing more to see here.

OK - I'll award 2 points for the use of big words to insult an opposition view

 

[DeniseM]

You are just unhappy that you can't find a 2bdr unit for your family during school vacations.

Beefnot - I think you have been caught beefing...

Sorry, but no, I am not going to leave the jumbo pkg. of TP for you, the restaurant booth, the mid-size car....... or the 2 bdm. timeshare.

And I sure as HECK am not going to pay more fees to the exchange companies!!!!!!!

That is the most offensive part of the whole thread!

 

[Beefnot]

Beefnot, what exchange DIDN'T you manage to get to fit your six people, while another TUGger reported getting the exact 2BR interval that you wanted?!

If you read my OP, you will know that I did receive the exchange I wanted via ongoing request. This "tirade" as you put it, was spawned by my experience during that process. I had no evidence that the scenario I described was real or imagined, but it was a instead philosophical ponderence as to whether we do what is "right" (yes, subjective) vs. what is legal, and why. It became evident from the responses that there is some probability that some families may need to make some suboptimal plans or play the waiting game to get the vacation during their desired period due to the vacation preferences of others. As I'd admitted, my greater angels may not come out if faced with the same decision. If given the opportunity to vacation how I want, I may well not think about my fellow [wo]man.

And that got down to what I was driving at about changing of business practices to effectuate public good (and increased profitability) at the same time. I am indeed a capitalist, but I am also intellectually curious and conscious about human nature.

 

[Beefnot]

Beefnot - I think you have been caught beefing...

And I sure as HECK am not going to pay more fees to the exchange companies!!!!!!!

That is the most offensive part of the whole thread!

No beef here, I got my 2BR and am absolutely ecstatic. Can't wait to take the fam on our first ever timeshare vacation and first ever in a 2BR suite. Wow.

You wouldn't have to pay more fees to exchange companies if I had my way. That would be your choice! Just like I hate, loathe, folks who cut in front of lines. But I won't begrudge the business practice of allowing legalized linejumping that happens at amusement parks for an extra premium. If someone really wants to not wait and are willing to pay more for that privilege, well it sucks for me, but oh well. This is America.

 

[ampaholic]

Whew, so then according to the arbiter of ethical timesharing, we're not socialyl irresponsible jerks if we use a 1-br instead of a studio, even though there's a family of four out there who can't get into the resort - we're only ignorant space hogs if we go above what beefnot feels we're entitled to use. And if a 2-br is all that is available, I guess we should forget about it - no vacation for us! There MIGHT be a bigger family who wants it.

This whole premise just makes me :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Where's my protest sign? I'm gonna OCCUPY 2-br units!

Naa, Naa, Naaaaa

The ethical point beefnot misses entirely is this: The larger the room you reserve and the more of them the more work you provide to the cleaning crew when you leave. Thus "over-rooming" is job security for the staff

 

[vacationhopeful]

And that got down to what I was driving at about changing of business practices to effectuate public good (and increased profitability) at the same time. I am indeed a capitalist, but I am also intellectually curious and conscious about human nature.

Don't worry about my human nature. Corporate greed will never help the public good by increasing exchange fees on the larger units. There may be a few owners who have limits on the cost of their vacationing and not pay the extra 2bdr unit fee. And most likely if the 2 bdr is not booked at the 10 month out mark (as dictated via a class action suit against RCI), RCI will be happy to rent it for 100% CASH PROFIT to the general public without regard to any timeshare owners desire for that week or unit size.

Let's see which is more: Exchange fee of $209 or $1000 weekly rental?

Which do you think RCI will be happier with? You still won't have the unit for your family unless you pay the asking rent from RCI. RCI's cost basis is the same for either: $ZERO! The owner who deposited the week only got a promise of a MAYBE future vacation, but had to pay RCI for a membership fee and their resort's maintenance fee on their week.

 

[presley]

This thread may be on overkill, but since I've seen several specific exchange companies mentioned, I thought I'd share mine.

My primary exchange company called me with a match. It was a 2 bedroom. I said I needed to sleep 3. I took it. I suppose I could have said, "No, I will wait for a one bedroom to come open," but, I'll never say that when they call me with a match. In this case, I invited another family to join us.

Another time I asked for a studio somewhere, they found me a one bedroom while I was still on the phone and I took it. My preference is to take first offer. Then, I have one less thing hanging over my head.

Given an actual choice at the time of finding a match for me, I'd more likely take the larger in hopes that my big kids could join me for a night or two. If I am sure it is just me and my husband, I'd go with smaller if it were cheaper for me.

 

[ronparise]

There's a similar thread on another forum. It asks the question about someone who reserves a unit way in advance of check in, with the intention of renting it for a profit. The thinking there is that the unit will be tied up with the hope of renting it, thereby depriving another owner of that reservation.... What really seemed to get the op upset was that many of these units didnt get rented and they came back available, but now too close to check in to do the op any good

The comments to that post were similar to the ones here......everything from "how inconsiderate " to finders keepers losers weepers" to "its my time Ill do with it what I want"

 

[ampaholic]

-snip-
The comments to that post were similar to the ones here......everything from "how inconsiderate " to finders keepers losers weepers" to "its my time Ill do with it what I want"

Ah well, If humans didn't have differing opinions we wouldn't have ...

fist fights
domestic disturbences
bar fights
riots
"police actions"
terrorist attacks
wars
Nuclear Weapons - or at least the proliferation of them.

C'est la vie

 

[AwayWeGo]

Win, Place, Show.

Ah well, If humans didn't have differing opinions we wouldn't have ...

Horse races.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[donnaval]

So while you raise a counterpoint intended to collapse the premise of my original post,

Please do not read more into my post than intended. I have no interest in collapsing the premise of your original post. It is silly enough to fall on its own without any help from me!

 

[Beefnot]

The ethical point beefnot misses entirely is this: The larger the room you reserve and the more of them the more work you provide to the cleaning crew when you leave. Thus "over-rooming" is job security for the staff

That was funny.

 

[Beefnot]

Please do not read more into my post than intended. I have no interest in collapsing the premise of your original post. It is silly enough to fall on its own without any help from me!

You are probably incredulous at the nerve of these paternalistic, Marxist exchange companies already limiting what we can do (i.e. renting) with what we have legitimately secured.

 

[ampaholic]

Naa, Naa, Naaaaa

The ethical point beefnot misses entirely is this: The larger the room you reserve and the more of them the more work you provide to the cleaning crew when you leave. Thus "over-rooming" is job security for the staff

That was funny.

The "REAL" funny part is I have a BIL who actually used that argument (jobs for the Germans) to try to convince me it was totally ethical for him to buy a Mercedes Benz instead of keeping his perfectly good Cadillac.

I told him if he liked the MB more - that was the only reason he should use.

JMHO

 

[donnaval]

You are probably incredulous at the nerve of these paternalistic, Marxist exchange companies already limiting what we can do (i.e. renting) with what we have legitimately secured.

There you go again. No need to bother reading this thread any more.

 

[chriskre]

Well this certainly has been an entertaining thread Beefnot. Funny cause your user name sure sounds like you've definetly got a beef.

As for all us TS pigs, as you can see we're not easily persuaded to go on a TS diet just cause some skinny TS owner hasn't figured out how to game the system for himself.

Don't worry if you hang out with us TS gluttons long enough, you'll be feasting at the TS Captains table too and posting your pictures of your gluttonous vacations on facebook like the rest of us.

 

[vacationhopeful]

This is a timesharing website -- not the "Occupy Timeshare" website of social justice in timesharing.

Whining might have work with your parents and your life partner about how unhappy you are. Us timeshare addicts tend to be a rather happy lot who work really hard to enjoy life and make vacationing a pleasant experience for ourselves and our families.

Go picket somewheres where they might be impressed with your big and fancy words. There are many here who can match your vocabulary - we just choose to not stoop to your level of insecurity.

 

[DeniseM]

I think we are done here...