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And even if (I'd say "when" is more likely) the Windows phone is pulled from the market, it isn't like all those phones will suddenly cease to work.

Exactly like the excellent Palm/webOS line. But that is the very definition of niche & now there may never be another pure webOS based phone/tablet. The same fate appears to be in the cards for WP but only time will tell. The current hardware does have a limited lifespan no matter how careful you treat it or how much you like it.

I know I'm anti-MS regardless of the platform. But that doesn't change the very real fact that when they have attempted to step out of the PC realm their record - with only the Xbox even a possible exception - has been extremely bad. I did look at the best phone WP offers as well as read the detailed forums/news on the mobile website (talk about fanatics!). The prevailing opinion is that MS is following in Palms footsteps with smartphones and tablets. They don't have a product that is gaining traction despite heavy hype - and they don't have the "best" they've shown for sale.

There is an extremely small window of opportunity for each new product in that space. Palm/HP managed to miss it virtually every chance they had -and they got plenty - and MS is following the exact same pattern. Unless they surprise everyone and deliver sooner than expected - something they've never been able to do on any product- the competition will match & beat whatever they finally offer and the "best" will be another year or so away for them. That simply doesn't work in the portable device arena they don't control as they once did PC's (where they could seemingly get away with interminable delays & broken promises but now even that is under seige).
 

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C'mon man, Xbox a "possible exception"? As much as I don't like Xboxes, there is nothing "possible" about that exception. Also, MSFT's Zune venture was as doomed as any other manufacturer's foray into MP3 players. Apple has a virtual monopoly on them. The mobile phone scene is interesting. Agreed that, although I do find WP to be a superior overall user experience, the superior product does not always win out. The next 12-18 months will tell. I believe MS will supplant RIM as the 3rd OS (and hope that they will come to their senses and re-brand their phones without the Windows name).
 

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One thing lacking from this thread is quality of phone calls with these phones.

I have an HTC Evo 4G, (which is getting a little long in the tooth as current models go), an android phone with the Sprint network and it's been wonderful. My young adult children have Iphones and they do some nifty things as well.

HOWEVER when calling an landline from either of these phones, the quality of the voice call from the iphones are significantly less than the Evo. The voice quality tends to be muffled placed from iphones in my observation.

Still, if your buying the phone as an app machine and phone calls are incidental I don't think you can go wrong with either platform.
 

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One thing lacking from this thread is quality of phone calls with these phones.

I have an HTC Evo 4G, (which is getting a little long in the tooth as current models go), an android phone with the Sprint network and it's been wonderful. My young adult children have Iphones and they do some nifty things as well.

HOWEVER when calling an landline from either of these phones, the quality of the voice call from the iphones are significantly less than the Evo. The voice quality tends to be muffled placed from iphones in my observation.

Still, if your buying the phone as an app machine and phone calls are incidental I don't think you can go wrong with either platform.

Actually I tried to touch on that facit in one of my first posts on this thread. The Motorola based Androids offer superior phone function/quality as you would expect from a premier mobile phone manufacturer.
 
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Why do I say that WP is destined to end up on the scrap-heap of history?

Smartphone Platform Market Share - http://www.comscore.com
Google Android ranked as the top smartphone platform with 46.9% market share, up 3.1% from the prior three-month period. Apple maintained its #2 position, growing 1.4% to 28.7% of the smartphone market.

RIM ranked third with 16.6% share, followed by Microsoft (5.2%) and Symbian (1.5%).

Top Smartphone Platforms
3 Month Avg. Ending Nov. 2011 vs. 3 Month Avg. Ending Aug. 2011

Share (%) ... Aug-11... Nov-11... Change
Google ....... 43.8% .... 46.9% ..... 3.1
Apple ......... 27.3% .... 28.7% ..... 1.4
RIM ........... 19.7% .... 16.6% .... -3.1
Microsoft ... 5.7% ..... 5.2% .... -0.5
Symbian ..... 1.8% ...... 1.5% ..... -0.3
 

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An interesting video titled:

Live from CES 2012: Windows Phone $100 Challenge Day 1 Recap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZww_C6Zgg&feature=player_embedded

Not going to argue what might happen down the road with WP. Especially w/those who are extremely biased. (I admittedly am also somewhat biased, and have similar reasons to dislike Apple products from a long history of having to support and use them. I was a MS fan long before my DH chose to work for them. However, I am still willing to give Apple credit for being extremely effective marketers of their products. I also admit that they have certain areas they dominate at this time for a reason)
 

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Why do I say that WP is destined to end up on the scrap-heap of history?

Smartphone Platform Market Share - http://www.comscore.com
Google Android ranked as the top smartphone platform with 46.9% market share, up 3.1% from the prior three-month period. Apple maintained its #2 position, growing 1.4% to 28.7% of the smartphone market.

RIM ranked third with 16.6% share, followed by Microsoft (5.2%) and Symbian (1.5%).

Top Smartphone Platforms
3 Month Avg. Ending Nov. 2011 vs. 3 Month Avg. Ending Aug. 2011

Share (%) ... Aug-11... Nov-11... Change
Google ....... 43.8% .... 46.9% ..... 3.1
Apple ......... 27.3% .... 28.7% ..... 1.4
RIM ........... 19.7% .... 16.6% .... -3.1
Microsoft ... 5.7% ..... 5.2% .... -0.5
Symbian ..... 1.8% ...... 1.5% ..... -0.3

Well, as I said, I couldn't care less if WP lives or dies, but the reality is that Android essentially came from nowhere to get to the top, thus a few years ago one could have replaced Microsoft with Google in your table.

Also, Nokia is moving away from Symbian to WP, and by all accounts RIM is not exactly growing market share, so MS could easily move into 3rd with around 15-20% of the market. I think MS would be relatively happy with that. Or, WP could just die out. Time will tell.
 

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Nokia bet the boot factory on a $1 billion cash injection from Microsoft. If WP fails so ultimately does Nokia. It's funny a few years ago Nokia was a dominant player now it's shunted off to the side. Same with RIM. People in the developed world change phones every 2 or 3 years, and the number of smartphones sold has passed the half billion mark.

I wouldn't count WP out, but you have to remember that Microsoft collects money from every Android device out there just by sitting on some patents. WP could fail completely and they still will make money.....
 

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The "non-story" of Intel backing Android over WP only made the lead of Ten Companies who moved to win this week. Seems its a big deal to those that care about these things.

Oh, and one of the five that "Dropped the Ball"? Sorry, WP is with us again. Right along with the HP continued bungling of their PC/webOS non-spinoff. Not good company to be in.

Follows the exact path of past failed products I'm afraid. All the signs are in place maybe even sooner than I expected.
 

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timeos2, now you sound silly. The "dropped the ball" article is about those who dropped the ball this week, and it's just about handling of the latest WP update. I know you're rooting for WP to fail, but at least have some sense of intellectual integrity to the cheering.
 

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timeos2, now you sound silly. The "dropped the ball" article is about those who dropped the ball this week, and it's just about handling of the latest WP update. I know you're rooting for WP to fail, but at least have some sense of intellectual integrity to the cheering.

I found the "Dropped the Ball" one to be borderline & thus a secondary note. The key item is the "shocker" of CES that Intel is placing its future bets in an extremely important segment with Android rather than what has long been termed Wintel. It really is a break and potentially a back breaker for any new windows based products. The tide has changed at last it seems and it's none too soon. The lack of quality and innovation as well as the inability to ever deliver on time and as promised should have done them in long ago. I'm only surprised it took this long for others to take advantage of so many MS missteps. I'm no Apple fan either so the fact that it's the "newcomer" (although admittedly a monster on its own) Google/Android that finally seems to b able to overcome the best (and often illegal) efforts by MS to kill competitors is justice in a weird way.

It's just good to see a real battle for the market again as that is how the true innovators get to shine. Having one dominate player for two decades seriously killed true advances in the pc world - at last it appears we're on the brink of a new golden age sans MS as the driver. I miss the battles of the inferior Win95 vs a true object based 32 bit OS system called OS/2 back in the nineties. I even got to meet the heads of both the IBM efforts to produce and market OS/2 as well as both Bill Gates and the obnoxious Steve Balmer in NYC at the PC Expo. The impression was the MS duo was little more than a few step up from slick timeshare hawkers selling what they knew fully well was an inferior product while the IBMer's were true engineers working to create a compact & efficient product that freed us from DOS. Even though the wrong product won it kept everyone busy making things better than they were - not just adding millions more lines of garbage code to the all too shaky, still awash in DOS based Windows and call it Vista, 7 or 8. Time to really move on. Carrying the poor legacy onto a new and vibrant platform like smartphones/tablets flies in the face of positive change we've been blessed with the past few years. Yes, I do want to see WP fail as it is from a group that has been proven unworthy of support. That it also falls short as a product counts too.
 

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... Nokia is moving away from Symbian to WP, and by all accounts RIM is not exactly growing market share, so MS could easily move into 3rd with around 15-20% of the market....

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
If turnips were watches I would wear one by my side.
-- Old English Nursery Rhyme
 

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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
If turnips were watches I would wear one by my side.
-- Old English Nursery Rhyme

Nobody's wishing for or forecasting anything. I merely noted that you could have made your same prognostication about Android's future 3 years ago based on market penetration at that time and you would have been dead wrong. Your table does nothing but reinforce my assertion that the smartphone market can change dramatically in a very short time frame.
 

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Nobody's wishing for or forecasting anything. I merely noted that you could have made your same prognostication about Android's future 3 years ago based on market penetration at that time and you would have been dead wrong. Your table does nothing but reinforce my assertion that the smartphone market can change dramatically in a very short time frame.

Android has a great and inexpensive distribution plan and growing manufacturer support - and they did two years ago as well. Starting from scratch they had great momentum. MS/WP has a closed, costly and onerous distribution plan, little manufacturer interest and negative momentum (manufactures have already tried and failed - not good).

It isn't the same situation. It's comparing raising a new baby to resurrecting a corpse. Your chances are much better with the fresh, active newborn vs a slow, rotting has been.
 

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Android had one manufacturer and one carrier for its first year of existence. its the G1 on T-Mobile.
 

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352 page manual for iPhone

I don't know about an Android phone manual, but the so called User Friendly iPhone 4s manual is 352 pages long...and costs you extra. The little leaflet that comes with the iPhone is barely enough to learn how make phone calls. I got the iPhone because I also have an iPad version 1, but the phone is a much more complicated device. It's fun to use however but my eyes go crossed reading text on the small screen and for that I much prefer reading the iPad. I think the Android phone screens are a little bit bigger and accept Flash movie clips.

http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Portab...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326548968&sr=1-1
 

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one of the guys at the apple store downloaded the user guide as an app for me.
 
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