Introducing WYNDHAM Club Pass

[ronparise]

And more people are chasing high demand weeks at Wyndham/worldmark resorts.

Thats not true...

what difference does it make if a Wyndham owner is trying to reserve a high demand week at a Wyndham resort, or if he exchanges, and its a Worldmark owner trying to reserve that week

either way the availability at 9 months is the same, and the number of people chasing those reservations is the same.

 

[lcml11]

Thats not true...

what difference does it make if a Wyndham owner is trying to reserve a high demand week at a Wyndham resort, or if he exchanges, and its a Worldmark owner trying to reserve that week

either way the availability at 9 months is the same, and the number of people chasing those reservations is the same.

Other than pulling high demand weeks from both Clubs at the 9 month minus a few seconds point, that would be a maybe.

My guess is that the primary competition for the high demand weeks that make it to the 9 month point will be snapped up by high point account holders within a few minutes of the opening bell for anything worth having.

This, if it occurs, probably would affect both re-sale buyers and all others.

 

[ronparise]

The high demand weeks in both clubs are gone well before the 9 month mark. so opening up whats left to both memberships will not be a big deal

 

[cotraveller]

My guess is that the primary competition for the high demand weeks that make it to the 9 month point will be snapped up by high point account holders within a few minutes of the opening bell for anything worth having.

Good luck with that if you are looking to pick up a high demand WorldMark week. Any high demand WorldMark weeks will be gone long before 9 months. And any subsequent WorldMark cancellations of those high demand weeks will go to the WorldMark wait list, Wyndham owners will never see them.

Maybe it will work the other way though since Wyndham does not have a wait list. Maybe I can score some of those high demand Wyndham weeks.

 

[lcml11]

Good luck with that if you are looking to pick up a high demand WorldMark week. Any high demand WorldMark weeks will be gone long before 9 months. And any subsequent WorldMark cancellations of those high demand weeks will go to the WorldMark wait list, Wyndham owners will never see them.

Maybe it will work the other way though since Wyndham does not have a wait list. Maybe I can score some of those high demand Wyndham weeks.

If you are quicker than Ron, maybe you can get a bunch of them. Remember, at the opening bell, he is pre-occupied with Marti-Grass.

 

[am1]

High demand Wyndham weeks are available inside 9 months to check in.

I have no interest in booking Worldmark with Wyndam points and no interest in booking Wyndham with Worldmark points.

As a Wyndham owner I want the less people possible trying to book the weeks I want.

The high demand weeks in both clubs are gone well before the 9 month mark. so opening up whats left to both memberships will not be a big deal

 

[ronparise]

High demand Wyndham weeks are available inside 9 months to check in.

I have no interest in booking Worldmark with Wyndam points and no interest in booking Wyndham with Worldmark points.

As a Wyndham owner I want the less people possible trying to book the weeks I want.

There will be no more or no less people trying to book the weeks you want.. except that this program may make it easier for the salesmen to sell (and bring more owners into the systems

 

[lcml11]

High demand Wyndham weeks are available inside 9 months to check in.

I have no interest in booking Worldmark with Wyndam points and no interest in booking Wyndham with Worldmark points.

As a Wyndham owner I want the less people possible trying to book the weeks I want.

True statement, have done it a number of times.

 

[lcml11]

There will be no more or no less people trying to book the weeks you want.. except that this program may make it easier for the salesmen to sell (and bring more owners into the systems

Selling availability to the Wyndham Club Pass system does seem be coming into vogue with Sales Staff.

 

[am1]

There will be no more or no less people trying to book the weeks you want.. except that this program may make it easier for the salesmen to sell (and bring more owners into the systems

If all Wyndham and Worldmark owners able to search then I think that there will. Worldmark owners are not going to be searching and booking dog weeks.

 

[ronparise]

If you are quicker than Ron, maybe you can get a bunch of them. Remember, at the opening bell, he is pre-occupied with Marti-Grass.

perfect example.

There will not be any Worldmark or Wyndham inventory at nine months before check in for Mardi Gras. Ita all gone 10 minutes inside 13 months (Worldmarks was gone this year 13 months and 1 day before check in,

 

[ronparise]

If all Wyndham and Worldmark owners able to search then I think that there will. Worldmark owners are not going to be searching and booking dog weeks.

and neither will Wyndham owners be searching for worldmark be searching for dog weeks

 

[ronparise]

Selling availability to the Wyndham Club Pass system does seem be coming into vogue with Sales Staff.

There is a card on the sales desk at Reunion pimping Club Pass

 

[ronparise]

True statement, have done it a number of times.

sure there are high demand times available at 9 months and they will still be there until someone reserves them...it could be a system owner, or someone standing in their place, having done an exchange

 

[bnoble]

And more people are chasing high demand weeks at Wyndham/worldmark resorts.

This cuts both ways---there are more people, but also more high demand weeks, because those people have access to both systems. It should average out over time, IMO.

 

[uscav8r]

High demand Wyndham weeks are available inside 9 months to check in.

I have no interest in booking Worldmark with Wyndam points and no interest in booking Wyndham with Worldmark points.

As a Wyndham owner I want the less people possible trying to book the weeks I want.

High demand might be open at 9 months, but certainly not the highest demand.

The name of the game is to book as early as possible in both systems. Myrtle Beach in summer and Steamboat Springs for Christmas/New Years will not see any different booking patterns. Just about everything will be booked by the first week (if not first day) of SRP anyway.

Arguably, this could open up some Prime availability in Wyndham for the SRP 10 month booking window as some Wyndham owners may hold out in hopes of getting a Worldmark at the 9-month window. Then inside of 9 months perhaps there may be slightly less Prime in Wyndham.

I don't know that there will be huge amounts of cross-pollination. WM owners tend to like their drive-to style of vacationing and most Wyndham is in the Midwest and East Coast. If I were to venture a guess, the biggest impact of WM Pass users on Wyndham would be on the Mountain and Southwest (and perhaps Hawaii for other reasons) resort locations.

I tend to agree with those who have said that most Pass activity will occur at the 2nd or 3rd tier resort/season combos.




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[lcml11]

High demand might be open at 9 months, but certainly not the highest demand.

The name of the game is to book as early as possible in both systems. Myrtle Beach in summer and Steamboat Springs for Christmas/New Years will not see any different booking patterns. Just about everything will be booked by the first week (if not first day) of SRP anyway.

Arguably, this could open up some Prime availability in Wyndham for the SRP 10 month booking window as some Wyndham owners may hold out in hopes of getting a Worldmark at the 9-month window. Then inside of 9 months perhaps there may be slightly less Prime in Wyndham.

I don't know that there will be huge amounts of cross-pollination. WM owners tend to like their drive-to style of vacationing and most Wyndham is in the Midwest and East Coast. If I were to venture a guess, the biggest impact of WM Pass users on Wyndham would be on the Mountain and Southwest (and perhaps Hawaii for other reasons) resort locations.

I tend to agree with those who have said that most Pass activity will occur at the 2nd or 3rd tier resort/season combos.




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Hopefully, the older Wyndham Vacation Resorts that were part of the legacy Fairfield will be the big loser in this game. That is where I like to go and maybe, just maybe, more and more availability will show up in the 60 day window. Anyone hear anything lately about Wyndham Club Access getting some availability for Shell Affiliates?

 

[vacationhopeful]

Hopefully, the older Wyndham Vacation Resorts that were part of the legacy Fairfield will be the big loser in this game. That is where I like to go and maybe, just maybe, more and more availability will show up in the 60 day window.

Let me understand your math skills --- you own Platinum Wyndham UDI points. WHY in the world would YOU THINK your older Wyndham resorts would HAVE ANY MORE availability at the 60 day window than they NOW DO? DUH???

If people are going to wait to book using their Worldmark credits, pay the exchange fee ($99), get NO discount or unit upgrade using the PASS option .... WOULD they NOT be SMARTER than a 3rd grader to RENT that reservation from a Platinum owner (like yourself) and get some discount off the Platinum owner's booking discount?

That is called SAME OLD, SAME OLD ... You might use your Wyndham Points to book exciting NEW and far off places, but those long plane flights and strange food on the West Coast, will most likely be happening just like they have done for you in the past 5 years --- did you ever book a West Coast affiliated? Every year or JUST once every 5 years?

 

[ronparise]

Hopefully, the older Wyndham Vacation Resorts that were part of the legacy Fairfield will be the big loser in this game. That is where I like to go and maybe, just maybe, more and more availability will show up in the 60 day window.

i dont understand your obsession with winners and losers...and to suggest a resort will lose is really over the top
No one wins, and no one loses. all thats happening is that some owners will have additional opportunity

You want gossip? go to WMowners.com, register, and then read to your hearts content

 

[lcml11]

If Wyndham Club Pass becomes successful, then existing developer points move to Club Pass for use by Worldmark owners. These points can no longer be used in the discount periods, VIP or Resort Specials. Less points points available to use in the discount window from others, hopefully, the more availability for the hold outs in the Old Fairfield resorts.

Also, if, in fact, a crack down on the book, cancel, rebook is in progress or about to start, this would also reduce the competition for the 60 day and under discount groups

If memory serves, one mega rentor has already indicated something to the effect they book high demand weeks then cancel and re-book in the discount window leaving a bunch of points to do with what he wants. Presumably, to rent out getting more of the 60 day and under discounts.

 

[ronparise]

If Wyndham Club Pass becomes successful, then existing developer points move to Club Pass for use by Worldmark owners. These points can no longer be used in the discount periods, VIP or Resort Specials. Less points points available to use in the discount window from others, hopefully, the more availability for the hold outs in the Old Fairfield resorts.

Also, if, in fact, a crack down on the book, cancel, rebook is in progress or about to start, this would also reduce the competition for the 60 day and under discount groups

If memory serves, one mega rentor has already indicated something to the effect they book high demand weeks then cancel and re-book in the discount window leaving a bunch of points to do with what he wants. Presumably, to rent out getting more of the 60 day and under discounts.

I may be wrong about how this Club Pass thing will work but Im really sure about this:

Wyndham points will not move to Club Pass for use by Worldmark owners any more than Worldmark Credits will move to Club Pass for use by Wyndham owners

 

[lcml11]

I may be wrong about how this Club Pass thing will work but Im really sure about this:

Wyndham points will not move to Club Pass for use by Worldmark owners any more than Worldmark Credits will move to Club Pass for use by Wyndham owners

Please consult the points charts through the links that have been posted to the Wyndham Vacation Resorts and Worldmark sites that show how many points are needed as the respective club currency.

The exchange rates have been set.

Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.

I will leave the difference between your position on this and that of Wyndham (as released on behalf of the clubs) for you and Wyndham to work out.

In the mean time, the points that go to Wyndham Club Pass cannot be brought back to Wyndham Club Plus reservations by the normal owner of Wyndham Club Plus/Access units. Just say good-bye to them and to the reservations that they may have otherwise received within the Wyndham Club Plus/Access discount system.

While you are saying good byes, you may also want to say good bye to the high demand reservations that used to be available through the Wyndham Club Plus/Access program that will probably be scarfed up by WorldMark owners. I believe another poster who indicated that WorldMark high demand inventory is already going to be gone by the nine month point. So it does not appear there is going to be an equal exchange system for high demand weeks.

By the way, can you provide any sources from Wyndham that back up your position?

One last point on this post. If memory serves, one poster made reference to a card(s) being put out at a resort hyping Wyndham Club Pass. Maybe the people that do not believe what Wyndham is saying in their written releases should go to one of the sales presentations hyping this program and the availabilities that will become available through it (the one I went to also addressed the issues raised by other people present on the availability limitations coming to pass on people who do not buy into the new program). The one I went to stressed that I was being labeled a Fairfield Owner and was stressing that I was going to be losing my rights to use my UDI deed at Towers on the Grove and my rights to use my Club Wyndham Access points as a result of the designation. I did go through Wyndham Corporate on this issue and was assured that this was not going to happen to me. I wish others caught in the same boat the best of luck.

 

[ronparise]

Please consult the points charts through the links that have been posted to the Wyndham Vacation Resorts and Worldmark sites that show how many points are needed as the respective club currency.

The exchange rates have been set.

Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.

I will leave the difference between your position on this and that of Wyndham (as released on behalf of the clubs) for you and Wyndham to work out.

In the mean time, the points that go to Wyndham Club Pass cannot be brought back to Wyndham Club Plus reservations by the normal owner of Wyndham Club Plus/Access units. Just say good-bye to them and to the reservations that they may have otherwise received within the Wyndham Club Plus/Access discount system.

While you are saying good byes, you may also want to say good bye to the high demand reservations that used to be available through the Wyndham Club Plus/Access program that will probably be scarfed up by WorldMark owners. I believe another poster who indicated that WorldMark high demand inventory is already going to be gone by the nine month point. So it does not appear there is going to be an equal exchange system for high demand weeks.

By the way, can you provide any sources from Wyndham that back up your position?

My point is that I wont exchange my wyndham points points for worldmark credits. .. Rather I will exchange my Wyndham points for a Worldmark reservation, or vice -versa

Points and reservations wont go to Club Pass, points and reservations will go through club pass. The difference my be too subtle for you to grasp, but there is a difference

and this paragraph of yours; makes no sense to me at all.

Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.

You seem to be saying that there will be some inventory in both systems that is removed and made available only for the other club. I just dont think thats true

As to some Wyndham document to support my position...I could ask you the same question. The fact is we are both speculating. The difference is that You have offered a WAG (wild ass guess) and I think I am firmly based on the facts (faq)

 

[CO skier]

Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.

blah, blah, blah ...

The fantasies you invent for Wyndham Club Pass are truly astounding and would shame the best of the sales liars.

It appears you have rejected this simple and direct FAQ answer in favor of the complex and untrue:

13. Does this [Wyndham Club Pass] change my membership options or benefits within CLUB WYNDHAM Plus?
No. All membership benefits associated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus remain unchanged as a result of the new
WYNDHAM Club Pass internal exchange program.

 

[comicbookman]

Please consult the points charts through the links that have been posted to the Wyndham Vacation Resorts and Worldmark sites that show how many points are needed as the respective club currency.

The exchange rates have been set.

Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.

I will leave the difference between your position on this and that of Wyndham (as released on behalf of the clubs) for you and Wyndham to work out.

In the mean time, the points that go to Wyndham Club Pass cannot be brought back to Wyndham Club Plus reservations by the normal owner of Wyndham Club Plus/Access units. Just say good-bye to them and to the reservations that they may have otherwise received within the Wyndham Club Plus/Access discount system.

Now you have strayed from wild speculation off into simple untruth. Since no points "go" to Wyndham club pass, they do not get trapped. You statement that owners will loose their right to trade into the existing Wyndham properties (not the affiliates, which can and have come and gone) is ridiculous and sounds suspiciously like what a sales weasel would say. You do a serious disservice to newer readers of these forums with your absurd statements, self referential, dual personality postings and outright lies. Also, your inability to do simple math is frightening. I would suggest you find a liars anonymous forum and hang out there instead.