Introducing WYNDHAM Club Pass

[uscav8r]

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I believe another poster who indicated that WorldMark high demand inventory is already going to be gone by the nine month point. So it does not appear there is going to be an equal exchange system for high demand weeks.

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I normally try to stay above the fray, but in this case, my point is taken completely out of context and I have to call you on it.

I said that Worldmark inventory for the premium resorts/times is gone by the time they would be available in Pass. I also said that I thought the impact on Wyndham owners would be minimal, if anything.

Furthermore, if a Wyn owner can't find a suitable reservation in WM, then that owner will be right back where he/she started: looking for reservations within the Wyn system, the only difference being that one more month of SRP has passed. And if that Wyn owner stays within Wyn, then there is less avaialbility for the WM owner looking to use Pass.

If it ends up that Wyn owners can't find what they want in WM (or vice versa), then long-term, the behavior will be to simply make Wyn reservations at 13 or 10 months (just like most do now), and avoid "holding out" for Club Pass at 9 months.

If owners can find something they are happy with in the other system (2nd/3rd tier choices), then long term behavior may lead to some added availability to both systems prior to the 9-month period.

BOTTOM LINE: Club Pass is no big deal for anyone, resale or retail.

 

[uscav8r]

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Members of the clubs cannot use their points to get a reservation in their own club. They can only draw on inventory available in the Wyndham Club Pass system from the other club.
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By the way, can you provide any sources from Wyndham that back up your position?

To your point: simply WRONG.

Members in either club are still able to make ARP/SRP reservations, unless they want to wait until 9 months to use those points for a Pass reservation.

If you mean that once you make a Pass reservation, your Wyndham points disappear into some black hole, never to return, then again: WRONG. You can always cancel a Pass reservation until the 15-day mark. FROM THE WYNDHAM CLUB PASS SUPPLEMENT (and I quote):

"We realize that sometimes your plans change and you may need to cancel your vacation. Please call the WYNDHAM Club Pass Vacation Planning Center to cancel a reservation.

• If your reservation is cancelled 15 days or more prior to the check-in date, the points and housekeeping credits used for the reservation will be returned to your account and reservation and guest confirmation (if applicable) fees will be refunded.
• Should you cancel less than 15 days prior to the check- in date, the points and housekeeping credits used for your reservation, reservation, and guest confirmation (if applicable) fees will be forfeited.
• Taxes collected at time of reservation will be refunded regardless of your cancellation date."

These policies are completely in line with how current Wyndham use year and cancelled points work.

 

[lcml11]

Now you have strayed from wild speculation off into simple untruth. Since no points "go" to Wyndham club pass, they do not get trapped. You statement that owners will loose their right to trade into the existing Wyndham properties (not the affiliates, which can and have come and gone) is ridiculous and sounds suspiciously like what a sales weasel would say. You do a serious disservice to newer readers of these forums with your absurd statements, self referential, dual personality postings and outright lies. Also, your inability to do simple math is frightening. I would suggest you find a liars anonymous forum and hang out there instead.

The on going personal attacks are noted from what appear to be the re-sellors/rentors. The documents speak for themselves.

 

[cotraveller]

The on going personal attacks are noted from what appear to be the re-sellors/rentors. The documents speak for themselves.

As a non-reseller and non-renter I must say that I agree that the documents speak for themselves. And what they say bears no resemblance to the nonsense you have been posting. Perhaps you should take a remedial reading class and then go over them again.

 

[scootr5]

The documents speak for themselves.

Yes, they do. It's just a case of not everyone listening carefully......

 

[lcml11]

It would be nice if the non-stop personal attacks would stop, but I guess that is to much to expect from this board.

It appears the Wyndham Club Pass issue generates a bunch of attention. Between the two threads that are currently active, the hits are just under 20,000. I would think it would be in everyone's interest to keep posting information from any source that pertains to this subject.

 

[ronparise]

It would be nice if the non-stop personal attacks would stop, but I guess that is to much to expect from this board.

It appears the Wyndham Club Pass issue generates a bunch of attention. Between the two threads that are currently active, the hits are just under 20,000. I would think it would be in everyone's interest to keep posting information from any source that pertains to this subject.

There is no personal attack here. Whats being attacked is your message, not the messenger. And the only reason we keep on you is to protect new readers from the mis-information you pass off as fact.

What may seem like an attack is the attempt to figure out why you say what you do.. there are lots of possibilities, some of which make you look pretty bad. As for me I think you are smarter than you seem,.and like a pool hustler, hiding his true skills,you are waiting to move in for the kill. Its clear to me that have an agenda, I just havent figured out what it is.

There is a ot less interest than you think,,,sure 12 pages on this thread alone,but half of the posts are your posts and our rebuttals

 

[ronparise]

The on going personal attacks are noted from what appear to be the re-sellors/rentors. The documents speak for themselves.

yes, the documents speak for themselves and of course so do you. Its just that one has nothing to do with the other.

And yes, I rent, and that also has nothing to do with what you or the documents say

 

[comicbookman]

The on going personal attacks are noted from what appear to be the re-sellors/rentors. The documents speak for themselves.

Since I am not a reseller, and only occasionally rent when I have extra points, you have once again tried to make a point by fabricating facts. I have never posted anything about my reselling (which I have never done) or renting, so your "appears" comment is clearly a misdirection. As others have pointed out, the documents do in fact speak for themselves. So why do you keep pretending to speak for them? I have no interest in you personally, but I do feel a duty to protect people who know less than I do (as it seems do the people who know more than I do) from blatant misinformation.

 

[lcml11]

Just a update from Wyndham Sales at Indio (remember, recently Wyndham Corporate did not confirm any of the Shell resorts joining up with Wyndham Club Plus/Access or Wyndham Club Pass.

The the name Club Esprit is being bounced around. It apparently was a predecessor group to WorldMark, the Club.

The are saying that Shell resorts are becoming part of the program. However, they did not know how many of them. The joining up date is June. They also did not know if they were joining Wyndham Club Pass or not.

http://wmowner.wordpress.com/worldmark-the-club/

 

[ronparise]

Just a update from Wyndham Sales at Indio (remember, recently Wyndham Corporate did not confirm any of the Shell resorts joining up with Wyndham Club Plus/Access or Wyndham Club Pass.

The the name Club Esprit is being bounced around. It apparently was a predecessor group to WorldMark, the Club.

The are saying that Shell resorts are becoming part of the program. However, they did not know how many of them. The joining up date is June. They also did not know if they were joining Wyndham Club Pass or not.

Do I understand your last paragraph correctly?

Sales said Shell resorts are becoming part of the program, but they dont know if they were joining Wyndham Club Pass or not

So they are and they arent. That sure clears things up for me

 

[lcml11]

Do I understand your last paragraph correctly?

Sales said Shell resorts are becoming part of the program, but they dont know if they were joining Wyndham Club Pass or not

So they are and they arent. That sure clears things up for me

Me to. I think we might agree mud is clearer than this. If Shawnee Mountain sales is to be believed that it will be 8 Affiliate Shell Resorts to Wyndham Club Access. The phantom 55 plus 8 Community.

At this point in time, I have seen no document from Wyndham where any resort can just join up with Club Wyndham Pass. Unless Shell Vacation Club itself joins the Pass program, then it would have to be some resorts coming under Wyndham Club Plus/Access.

 

[scootr5]

If Shawnee Mountain sales is to be believed

No sales person is to be believed, unless it's given to you in writing.

 

[lcml11]

http://www.shellhospitality.com/pdf/0436-13SVCBenefitsBook 2013_v7FINAL.PDF

Just found the above link to the Shell Directory.

 

[comicbookman]

http://www.shellhospitality.com/pdf/0436-13SVCBenefitsBook 2013_v7FINAL.PDF

Just found the above link to the Shell Directory.

While this is a great link for a Shell thread, It does not mention Wyndham Club Pass at all (not surprising as it is a 2013 benefits guide). That make sit completely off topic (as are most of your links).

 

[ogie]

I'm a World Mark owner and while browsing our site I noticed this ClubPass. Looks good 55 more resorts. Ok but I checked South Carolina and all of them are all Club Pass( I know we have a Worldmark there, even in Texas only one left as Worldmark). I called them and the guy was really avoiding the discussion regarding the $99 per use. I emailed the site as follows. I'm sorry I cannot read the whole pages. I remembered this before longtime ago one guy from Worldmark called me regarding additional resort obtained by Worldmark he told me in order to use it I need to upgrade my status means more payment etc. I told him I don't even have time to do vacation and he got mad at me and I need to make my own time for vacation and it's not his problem and I need to upgrade my account. I called the corporate office about this. Maybe this another way to charge us more.

I was browsing the website for some places to stay this coming June during summer vacation and I noticed this new Club Pass which will only be activated by June. Now let's be honest...is there any Worldmark resort in South Carolina before because as of now of all them are all Club pass means if I'm gonna use 3 resort there I have to pay $99x 3. I noticed that some WorldMark properties are converted to clubpass means we have to pay an exchange fee of $99 every time I intended to use it. I might just sell my credit if things like this will continue. Thank you.

 

[ogie]

I'm a little confused ...as a lowly Wyndham resale owner, I did notice that I can no longer see some of the Worldmark resorts (eg-Estes Park, West Yellowstone) that I used to be able to see when I was looking on line for a reservation. Do I understand correctly that now I could only reserve those at 9 months out and by paying a $ 99 fee ? (I normally use almost all my points at my home resort OTA anyway, so this won't matter much, but I do want to understand....). Or can I not get anything in Worldmark at all ?
thanks, Deb

Check my post when I check South Carolina and in Texas there was 2 before now it's only one. Now we have to pay $99 in South Carolina every time, I'm not sure if there with the Wyndham owner. As an owner I think they should consulted us first.

 

[comicbookman]

My guess would be that they were affiliate resorts (that is what they are called on the Wyndham side). We (Wyndham owners) now need to pay the $99 fee to use resorts that used to be free as affiliates, so it stands to reason they would do the same thing to worldmark owners.

 

[ogie]

Still I think some Worldmark was coverted to W Club Pass.

 

[comicbookman]

My guess would be that they were affiliate resorts (that is what they are called on the Wyndham side). We (Wyndham owners) now need to pay the $99 fee to use resorts that used to be free as affiliates, so it stands to reason they would do the same thing to worldmark owners.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Still I think some Worldmark was coverted to W Club Pass.

And that might have been a prior lawsuit to balance out inventory between the 2 systems -- the inventory was to have gone to CWP or CWA.

PASS is a swapping of inventory via this "exchanging" like for like.

 

[ogie]

My guess would be that they were affiliate resorts (that is what they are called on the Wyndham side). We (Wyndham owners) now need to pay the $99 fee to use resorts that used to be free as affiliates, so it stands to reason they would do the same thing to worldmark owners.

I never used Wyndham before. If it was free before, why not free from both sides? Anyway there is nothing we can do about it. The only this is I did not really pay attention how many Worldmark we have in S Carolina etc etc. as of now they are all Club Pass. https://www.worldmarktheclub.com/resorts/

 

[rickandcindy23]

I have been on a few Shell sales pitches, and not one person has said anything about Shell Elite getting any special access to WorldMark or Wyndham systems. I was told very recently that the systems will remain completely separate by Court at the sales pitch in Anaheim early this month. I cannot imagine him lying about it. But he did know we are Platinum with Wyndham, so maybe he thinks we will already access with one system, so why have access through Shell.

If someone knows something concrete, specifically that WorldMark and Wyndham owners will be stealing Shell inventory, then please post the specific info. I don't have the patience to read an entire directory.

 

[markb53]

I have been on a few Shell sales pitches, and not one person has said anything about Shell Elite getting any special access to WorldMark or Wyndham systems. I was told very recently that the systems will remain completely separate by Court at the sales pitch in Anaheim early this month. I cannot imagine him lying about it. But he did know we are Platinum with Wyndham, so maybe he thinks we will already access with one system, so why have access through Shell.

If someone knows something concrete, specifically that WorldMark and Wyndham owners will be stealing Shell inventory, then please post the specific info. I don't have the patience to read an entire directory.

The only thing that has been officially announced by Wyndham, as far as I know, is that 8 Shell properties will become Associate resorts for Club Wyndham Plus owners. I assume that this will be similar to the way the WorldMark resorts were Associates before they got pulled to be in Club Wyndham Pass. If it is similar, there will be nearly no availability anyway.

 

[ronparise]

I never used Wyndham before. If it was free before, why not free from both sides? Anyway there is nothing we can do about it. The only this is I did not really pay attention how many Worldmark we have in S Carolina etc etc. as of now they are all Club Pass. https://www.worldmarktheclub.com/resorts/

There never were any South Carolina resorts owned by Worldmark the Club. What you saw was the result of an agreement between the two clubs to make a little of the Club Wyndham inventory available to Worldmark and vice versa

That agreement is dead. Replaced by an inter club exchange program called Club Wyndham Pass