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II 2025 update - all bad news

I've not found an Airbnb that has anywhere close to the quality of facilities that I like at Timeshare resorts.

Are you really getting Airbnb reservations that match the likes of Hyatt Aviara for less than the maintenance fees?
It is hit or miss on quality and space. But there is a looming implosion in the housing market coming that will be very interesting to see how the rental values flex. Do the 2-3% mortgages absorb the shock or try to cover? Same bat time....

In other news, I just got a snail mail "renewal" platinum membership offer from ii, or is it iw now, in any case there is a $50 discount code (UPGRDUX) for all tiers to bring the price down to $89 for 1 yr., gold gets $29 discount. There is no higher discount for multiple years. In the letter it states "Get up to three guest certitificates per membership year,...". The account however still grants 5 gc, so last chance to get the 5 gc, hopefully the code will work for some.
 
Re: Airbnb vs timeshare. We just got back from and Airbnb stay in a fabulous 3 bedroom house in Mammoth Lakes, CA. It was definitely nicer than any timeshare that we have ever stayed in. My daughter chose and paid for it because we were babysitting and also for Father's Day for my husband and the other grandfather. I just looked up the nightly cost. For $750/night, it had better be nicer than a timeshare! There were still funny Airbnb issues that made me wish that it was a timeshare. The biggest of which was discovering that the washer and dryer were not to be used. They were unplugged and all of the cabinets in the laundry room had locks on them. I didn't go there to do laundry, but there was a spill that resulted in needing to do a quick load of laundry, but nope, the washer and dryer were apparently off limits. There were two master bedrooms but the third room had bunk beds, a trundle, and a futon. It was all beds (to be expected in a ski town). None of the windows had screens on them so we couldn't open them at night because of the bugs. And I am never going to get past knowing that there are cameras on every exterior door, watching to see what we are up to. But on the other hand, having a garage/driveway was great for parking. There were other quirks but they were not significant.

Even if you own at an expensive resort, your maintenance fees are probably no higher than $375-$400 per night. If you own in a less expensive resort and do a lot of trades, then your nightly costs, including MF and exchange fees, are most likely far less than that. Sure there are places through Airbnb that may be less expensive than a timeshare, but in my personal experience, you will get what you pay for. If you want a higher quality airbnb, you will pay for that. There are probably areas where there is enough supply of lodging that the prices for a nice rental will be competitive with the cost of a timeshare, but in most places I just don't think that you will see that. Additionally, Airbnb is the closest thing that we have as a competitor to a timeshare and timeshare management needs to keep up with them in terms of amenities and overall maintenance, which is a good thing in my opinion.

I just spent a few minutes computing my average nightly cost (which is $175/night over 8 trades) but it's a bit all over the place. I have one trade that cost me roughly $330/night including resort fees and a size upgrade, but it is a place that we love (Hanalei Bay Resort), so it is self inflicted pain. We could definitely stay in other resorts in the area that would be less expensive. It is still quite a bit less than a rental though. In late April, we stayed at Hyatt Northstar (Truckee) on an AC for $329 for a full week. That is outlier on the other end. We have family nearby so it is perfect for us, but definitely off season. The rest of our trades were around the $140/night and all represented good value.

Even though these are significant changes in II, adapting and learning how to play the game will be the new game. Personally, once the Eplus fee jumped up to $89, I stopped adding it. I'll roll the dice and pay for a full price retrade if necessary. I stopped booking for friends and family awhile ago - they can't wrap their heads around the concept of this being a final booking. They always seem to circle back around and want to change the dates or cancel and get their money back. So the guest cert change doesn't matter to me either. And platinum has been offering less and less value to me anyway. I used to appreciate the reduced cost for a size upgrade but only one of my traders is a 1 bedroom, so it isn't as useful for the two bedroom traders. I will most likely not renew unless they offer some screaming deal. I suppose the flex change issues *could* be significant, but I never had the patience to be making changes at the last minute, so it will probably not affect me other than if there was a catastrophic situation that would require a date change, but I'll deal with that if/when it happens and I may have to take my lumps. In the end, I think that I will save money by not upgrading to platinum, they think that they will somehow benefit financially. We'll see how that works out.

I just hope that we continue to get access to nice properties in good locations. That is the value add for me.
 
I own a short term rental in a resort community. AirBnBs are dying with a thousand paper cuts of regulations and neighborhood complaints because they don't want them in their neighborhood. NYC has killed Short Term Rentals.

We have had to pay $500 for a fire inspection. We now must pay for defensible space clearing while our second home neighbors do not need to do anything. Full time neighbors store work trucks, tractor parts and crap all over their property (even a shipping container) running a business out of their home but we must be pristine because we are a "business."

County reduced occupancy on the property from 9 to 6 no matter the size of the bedroom and living room pullouts are not included (even though Timeshares allow this). Our insurance jumped by $1000. All of this translates into higher rental fees. Management and cleaning fees take their pound of flesh too and have increased.

With the economy, occupancy is half of last year.

We are now barely breaking even and not able to consistently fund a reserve account for renovations. It will not be long before we convert to a > 30 day ski/summer lease or long term rental with the intent to sell/1031 exchange into a more lucrative rental.

Short Term rentals were lucrative during Covid when everyone worked remotely but are now dying. Even though there are pundits on social media pushing this as a strategy, some are now saying the trend has jumped the shark.
 
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Re: Airbnb vs timeshare. We just got back from and Airbnb stay in a fabulous 3 bedroom house in Mammoth Lakes, CA. It was definitely nicer than any timeshare that we have ever stayed in. My daughter chose and paid for it because we were babysitting and also for Father's Day for my husband and the other grandfather. I just looked up the nightly cost. For $750/night, it had better be nicer than a timeshare! There were still funny Airbnb issues that made me wish that it was a timeshare. The biggest of which was discovering that the washer and dryer were not to be used. They were unplugged and all of the cabinets in the laundry room had locks on them. I didn't go there to do laundry, but there was a spill that resulted in needing to do a quick load of laundry, but nope, the washer and dryer were apparently off limits. There were two master bedrooms but the third room had bunk beds, a trundle, and a futon. It was all beds (to be expected in a ski town). None of the windows had screens on them so we couldn't open them at night because of the bugs. And I am never going to get past knowing that there are cameras on every exterior door, watching to see what we are up to. But on the other hand, having a garage/driveway was great for parking.
One of the things I do love about Regal Vistas at Massanutten is the garage and driveway. Not letting you use the Washer/Dryer would kinda piss me off.
There were other quirks but they were not significant.

Even if you own at an expensive resort, your maintenance fees are probably no higher than $375-$400 per night. If you own in a less expensive resort and do a lot of trades, then your nightly costs, including MF and exchange fees, are most likely far less than that. Sure there are places through Airbnb that may be less expensive than a timeshare, but in my personal experience, you will get what you pay for. If you want a higher quality airbnb, you will pay for that. There are probably areas where there is enough supply of lodging that the prices for a nice rental will be competitive with the cost of a timeshare, but in most places I just don't think that you will see that. Additionally, Airbnb is the closest thing that we have as a competitor to a timeshare and timeshare management needs to keep up with them in terms of amenities and overall maintenance, which is a good thing in my opinion.
I do wonder if Vacasa should be compared - at least in my "practice bookings" I think their locations and prices seem better to me than AirB&B, but I have 0 idea about the actual use experience. Maybe once I need to stay somewhere without timeshares for a trip I'll try Vacasa. I think Vacasa often competes well with Hotels also, but if I could book a timeshare I generally think I would because it would be significantly cheaper for me in my test bookings like you point out. I think the place some of these things like some of the big holiday house rentals outshine timeshares, or are at least easier to book, is if you want to take a group of like 8 groups (single,couples, or whoever's going to share a bedroom) and each person is going to pay 1/8 the rental cost. Some of the beach houses are nicer location on the beach, and everyone is "together" in the house by default, vs "random" separate units. Costs can be pretty similar to some higher end timeshares at around $1,500 a room for a week. That said, many times I'd get 2BR for that in timeshare land at perfectly nice timeshares, but I probably would struggle to book 4 units for the same week and they certainly wouldn't be in the same building in many cases.

This of course puts me specifically in a bit of a bind because the average perfect size is 3BR but those aren't that common the way 2BR are, and yet I don't think I'd ever "sell" 8BR at once either. That would be like a once in a lifetime family reunion kinda thing that I don't actually see happening, even if I paid for the whole thing, and while I'm happy to throw someone a free sleeper sofa or a 3rd BR if I can get it for a minor price increase, I personally am not that interested in eating the full $12k I see the fancy beach houses go for.

OT: I think I'm going to expand my reviews from just TS on my trips, I'm probably going to eventually try some of the Vacasa places and might do more hotel reviews as I make an effort to try different brands.
 
I own a short term rental in a resort community. AirBnBs are dying with a thousand paper cuts of regulations and neighborhood complaints because they don't want them in their neighborhood. NYC has killed Short Term Rentals.
I always thought that the idea that Hotels (or Taxis) were just ripping people off was in fact just AirB&B and Uber avoiding regulations in a legal grey area. Once they have to comply with roughly similar or the same regulations, guess what - the Hotels and Taxis were (mostly) doing their best to be efficient and were't actually ripping everyone off in some conspiracy theory price fixing manner. No, now the "disruptors" cost about the same. Because that's what it costs to legally provide the service.

The actual disruption IMHO was kinda forcing much better and easier to use apps and websites on companies that otherwise didn't see the value. Now to compete, they need similar convenience, and people will even pay a slight premium to the AirB&B sites to get the familiar consistent booking process across locations and actual providers.
 
The one thing I have notice about II is how they have increase the costs for their Getaways. The price have double for some resorts.
 
The one thing I have notice about II is how they have increase the costs for their Getaways. The price have double for some resorts.
It's great if they can get it for them, but I wonder if they'll see a drop off in bookings and maybe lower the price again later.
 
The one thing I have notice about II is how they have increase the costs for their Getaways. The price have double for some resorts.
I noticed this for Aruba.
 
Re: Airbnb vs timeshare. We just got back from and Airbnb stay in a fabulous 3 bedroom house in Mammoth Lakes, CA. It was definitely nicer than any timeshare that we have ever stayed in. My daughter chose and paid for it because we were babysitting and also for Father's Day for my husband and the other grandfather. I just looked up the nightly cost. For $750/night, it had better be nicer than a timeshare! There were still funny Airbnb issues that made me wish that it was a timeshare. The biggest of which was discovering that the washer and dryer were not to be used. They were unplugged and all of the cabinets in the laundry room had locks on them. I didn't go there to do laundry, but there was a spill that resulted in needing to do a quick load of laundry, but nope, the washer and dryer were apparently off limits. There were two master bedrooms but the third room had bunk beds, a trundle, and a futon. It was all beds (to be expected in a ski town). None of the windows had screens on them so we couldn't open them at night because of the bugs.
$750/night for this?? We have been in Airbnb where we needed to stay > 5 nights (or something like that) to have nights to access laundry rights (although even it wasn't locked!). I hope the rest of the stay made it worth it.
 
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This really stinks. I literally just got a trader to use for flexchange. I sure have great timing.
 
I always thought that the idea that Hotels (or Taxis) were just ripping people off was in fact just AirB&B and Uber avoiding regulations in a legal grey area
Oh, no. It was "The wonders of The Gig Economy". ymmv
 
The one thing I have notice about II is how they have increase the costs for their Getaways. The price have double for some resorts.
I agree completely
RCI has much better deals
Maybe the properties are hit and miss but the prices are better
 
I agree completely RCI has much better deals Maybe the properties are hit and miss but the prices are better
Not perfect analogy, but reminds me of Woody's joke: "2 women are at a Catskill mountain resort, one of 'em says, "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah, I know; and such small portions." Well, that's essentially how I feel about life - full of loneliness, and misery, and suffering, and unhappiness, and it's all over much too quickly.”
 
I agree completely
RCI has much better deals
Maybe the properties are hit and miss but the prices are better
This myth that II properties aren't hit or miss - I'm just going to leave "Villa Roma" right here.
 
This myth that II properties aren't hit or miss - I'm just going to leave "Villa Roma" right here.
All hotel brands and timeshares properties can be a hit or miss. It’s always best to research ahead of time ignoring the resort designation such as Gold Crown, AAA Rating, etc

 
2025 Membership Program Updates

  • Interval Guest Certificate — As of July 1, 2025, the number of complimentary Guest Certificates included with an Interval Platinum® membership will change to three per membership year. Please note that if you have more than three complimentary Guest Certificates remaining in your Interval Platinum membership, the total will be adjusted to three as of July 1, 2025. In addition, the cost of Guest Certificates will increase to $89. Please refer to the 2025 Buyers’ Guide posted on intervalworld.com.
  • Last-Minute Travel With Flexchange — Interval offers Flexchange® to help you plan last-minute vacations. Members with last-minute travel plans who want to take advantage of Flexchange will need to book their travel within 30 days of the desired check-in date in order to utilize this benefit. This is anticipated to commence in late summer. To learn more, visit HERE.

Lastly, as we continue to enhance our Getaways program, you will start to see refundable rates available for certain destinations to allow for flexibility when your travel plans unexpectedly change.

In addition, please note that the cancellation period for confirmations canceled more than 24 hours after the exchange is confirmed and at least 7 days prior to check-in, has been modified. Refer to the 2025 Buyers’ Guide on intervalworld.com for the new cancellation time periods.
Trying to get back on topic...Has anyone spoken to an II and gotten more information about the Flexchange section? I spoke with 2 II agents today, one in customer relations (who are supposed to be more technically capable) who checked behind the scenes and no one could verify the part about flexchange. No one had even heard of it and asked where I got the info. Since I didn't actually receive the email that others seem to have.
 
Trying to get back on topic...Has anyone spoken to an II and gotten more information about the Flexchange section? I spoke with 2 II agents today, one in customer relations (who are supposed to be more technically capable) who checked behind the scenes and no one could verify the part about flexchange. No one had even heard of it and asked where I got the info. Since I didn't actually receive the email that others seem to have.
What's the question?

The descriptions are in the updated Terms and Conditions - https://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=60&p=legal
  1. Flexchange is within 30 days of check-in date (instead of 59). The new Flexchange timeframe impacts deposits, cancellations and unit size upgrades.
  2. Eplus remains unchanged. Once a retrade is made within 59 days, all subsequent retrades must be made within the same window.
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New 2025 T&Cs (link)
Old 2024 T&Cs (link) Valid until June 30th, 2025
  • Deposit First
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  • Cancellations
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  • E-Plus Retrades
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Cancellation period for confirmations canceled more than 24 hours after the exchange is confirmed and at least 7 days prior to check-in, has been modified

What about < 7 days prior to check-in?
 
Cancellation period for confirmations canceled more than 24 hours after the exchange is confirmed and at least 7 days prior to check-in, has been modified

What about < 7 days prior to check-in?
The rule is the same, less than 7 days you get nothing.
 
Good Ole Marriott, Gutting a good thing
 
The rule is the same, less than 7 days you get nothing.
Is it the same rule for enrolled week to week exchange through II? Some people here did the last minute exchange. Cannot be e-plus (14-day).
 
Is it the same rule for enrolled week to week exchange through II? Some people here did the last minute exchange. Cannot be e-plus (14-day).
Those folks would have to answer.

Perhaps they called II to cancel and request a replacement week. Here's an older thread regarding that strategy.
 
What's the question?

The descriptions are in the updated Terms and Conditions - https://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=60&p=legal
  1. Flexchange is within 30 days of check-in date (instead of 59). The new Flexchange timeframe impacts deposits, cancellations and unit size upgrades.
  2. Eplus remains unchanged. Once a retrade is made within 59 days, all subsequent retrades must be made within the same window
Thanks for laying out the T&Cs there clearly! since I hadn't found them

The questions are:

1. What it doesn't clarify is whether these rules apply to new late deposits after July 1? Are current late deposits that are already limited to the 60 day flexchange grandfathered under the old rules of 60 days or limited to new 30 days? Is their system smart enough to make that differentiation? I'm thinking the 60 day for existing deposits will be grandfathered likely since that's what they did with eplus when they brought on the new rules for eplus. But I have not seen any posting confirming that. If it's not, then I would be making an exchange really soon before the July 1 date

2. For exchanges that are already limited to the 60 day flexchange window (due to being a late deposit), it sounds like those will continue in the same fashion. Yes?

3. If I have a reservation right now for mid-Aug (Say Aug 16) that I'm considering depositing because I can't use it, in current world before July 1, it would be considered a late deposit subject to max 59 days out exchange window. However, if I wait until July 1 to deposit it, I would still have full 2 year exchange window to search because it would not be considered a late flexchange deposit since it's still more than 30 days out (but less than 59 since 59 wouldn't matter anymore on new deposits). Correct?
 
Thanks for laying out the T&Cs there clearly! since I hadn't found them

The questions are:

1. What it doesn't clarify is whether these rules apply to new late deposits after July 1? Are current late deposits that are already limited to the 60 day flexchange grandfathered under the old rules of 60 days or limited to new 30 days? Is their system smart enough to make that differentiation? I'm thinking the 60 day for existing deposits will be grandfathered likely since that's what they did with eplus when they brought on the new rules for eplus. But I have not seen any posting confirming that. If it's not, then I would be making an exchange really soon before the July 1 date

2. For exchanges that are already limited to the 60 day flexchange window (due to being a late deposit), it sounds like those will continue in the same fashion. Yes?

3. If I have a reservation right now for mid-Aug (Say Aug 16) that I'm considering depositing because I can't use it, in current world before July 1, it would be considered a late deposit subject to max 59 days out exchange window. However, if I wait until July 1 to deposit it, I would still have full 2 year exchange window to search because it would not be considered a late flexchange deposit since it's still more than 30 days out (but less than 59 since 59 wouldn't matter anymore on new deposits). Correct?
I think your assumptions are correct but reach out to Mark (see below) and please share his response.
 
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