II 2025 update - all bad news

[GrayFal]

@WorldT
Same

 

[claraj]

About the price of Getaways, I just realized the price for Getaways for Marriott's Aruba Resorts doubled from last year. I have a spreadsheet where I track the Getaways I see for properties I am interested in since August 2023 and I took a look based on the discussion here and saw the a 1 BR was about $847-$1247 last year for June check-in and this year it is a whopping $2047. I haven't noticed a significant increase from last year for other properties but smaller increases in the $50-$100 range. I wonder if anyone else has noticed increases.

 

[billymach4]

About the price of Getaways, I just realized the price for Getaways for Marriott's Aruba Resorts doubled from last year. I have a spreadsheet where I track the Getaways I see for properties I am interested in since August 2023 and I took a look based on the discussion here and saw the a 1 BR was about $847-$1247 last year for June check-in and this year it is a whopping $2047. I haven't noticed a significant increase from last year for other properties but smaller increases in the $50-$100 range. I wonder if anyone else has noticed increases.

For Surf and Ocean Club?

 

[iftravel]

About the price of Getaways, I just realized the price for Getaways for Marriott's Aruba Resorts doubled from last year. I have a spreadsheet where I track the Getaways I see for properties I am interested in since August 2023 and I took a look based on the discussion here and saw the a 1 BR was about $847-$1247 last year for June check-in and this year it is a whopping $2047. I haven't noticed a significant increase from last year for other properties but smaller increases in the $50-$100 range. I wonder if anyone else has noticed increases.

Getaways are priced more like hotels these days with dynamic pricing schemes. Did you try AC?

 

[Hindsite]

Perhaps you could post the specific wording. Those terms and conditions cover a lot of different things and aren't just Getaway sepcific.

This is the top part of the insert, when you proceed through the Getaway process and click the Terms and conditions like that is above the check box on the 2nd page:

Cancellation policy extracts: The last para is the one about less than 13 days, rest included for context

 

[Hindsite]

About the price of Getaways, I just realized the price for Getaways for Marriott's Aruba Resorts doubled from last year. I have a spreadsheet where I track the Getaways I see for properties I am interested in since August 2023 and I took a look based on the discussion here and saw the a 1 BR was about $847-$1247 last year for June check-in and this year it is a whopping $2047. I haven't noticed a significant increase from last year for other properties but smaller increases in the $50-$100 range. I wonder if anyone else has noticed increases.

usually when the price is that high its because someone has done a cruise exchange or other non-standard transaction and II is trying to recover the costs. Yes there seem to be more of them and for Aruba.

The getaways I've been tracking in Europe are in the same ball-park as usual.

 

[dioxide45]

I think two things aided cheap independents being able to utilize Flexchange so effectively.

1. When a Marriott or Vistana exchange was cancelled by a member, the Marriott or Vistana priority period likely had already expired. It probaly expired during the time the unit was confirmed to the guest. For example, if a deposit had a 10 day priority but was confirmed on day 2, there were 8 days remaining. That priority period expired 8 days after confirmation. So when the member cancelled their exchange less than 60 days out, there was no longer any priority. Had II applied a priority period on that cancelled exchange for the remaining 8 days, it would have prevented many confirmation by cheap independent properties.
2. When an exchange is cancelled, the unit usually drops back into general inventory that can be seen online instantly. At least for a period of time. These units don't usually go back through the pending request match process overnight. This is why many people will see units sitting online when they expected their OGS to match. They are just units cancelled or retraded by other members and not new deposits.

 

[dioxide45]

This is the top part of the insert, when you proceed through the Getaway process and click the Terms and conditions like that is above the check box on the 2nd page:
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Cancellation policy extracts: The last para is the one about less than 13 days, rest included for context
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This seems to be much of the II Buyer's Guide for Abound Members. It doesn't look like it really has anything to do with getaway confirmations specifically.

 

[kozykritter]

This is the top part of the insert, when you proceed through the Getaway process and click the Terms and conditions like that is above the check box on the 2nd page:
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Cancellation policy extracts: The last para is the one about less than 13 days, rest included for context
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Ok, having read the entire Buyer's Guide ad nauseum yesterday (my head still hurts), this section you quoted only applies to exchanges and I believe this has always been the policy for a close-in cancellation. Getaways and AC fall under the Special Exchange Procedures category in the BG which still says everything is final, non-refundable, non-changeable, same as before.

 

[dioxide45]

I find all of the II amendments to the terms and conditions confusing. This is what their amendment is for members of the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations program. The reality is, this is for Marriott Vacation Club owners who ARE NOT members of the Destinations program. I confirmed that our enrolled II account still has a $0 exchange fee.

https://www.intervalworld.com/iimedia/pdf/iw/Marriott_Amendment_31125.pdf

 

[dioxide45]

I’m not sure if anyone noticed but the exchange fee for Marriott to Marriott exchanges is now 199. I believe it was just 164 previously so that’s quite the bump.

I don't remember the last time the fee was increased for Marriott to Marriott exchanges. Though I think it was maybe 2019 or before. It's been a long run at only $164.

 

[Hindsite]

This seems to be much of the II Buyer's Guide for Abound Members. It doesn't look like it really has anything to do with getaway confirmations specifically.

OK, thanks, but is the 13 days to 24hrs cancellation term new or has it always been there? Sorry if I have missed it previously, but I thought it was 59days to 24hrs and you got a replacement week that had a reservation window of 59 days.

 

[jwalk03]

I don't remember the last time the fee was increased for Marriott to Marriott exchanges. Though I think it was maybe 2019 or before. It's been a long run at only $164.

It was $159 until early 2022 (or late 2021) when it was increased to $164

I made an exchange on 2/18/22 that was $164 that's the first one I can find at that price. All the ones I have for 2021 were $159.

 

[dioxide45]

It was $159 until early 2022 (or late 2021) when it was increased to $164

I made an exchange on 2/18/22 that was $164 that's the first one I can find at that price. All the ones I have for 2021 were $159.

II increased their regular exchange fee in January 2022 from $209 to $219. So it seems they changed the Marriott to Marriott fee at the same time. Though it only went up by five bucks.

 

[jp10558]

I don't remember the last time the fee was increased for Marriott to Marriott exchanges. Though I think it was maybe 2019 or before. It's been a long run at only $164.

Whoof - granted they're selling Abound now, but for resale that nixes their value even more - Wyndham exchanges in their system is free, and HGVC is $79 maybe(Which, TBH, is also a money grab and should be cheaper)?

 

[jwalk03]

Whoof - granted they're selling Abound now, but for resale that nixes their value even more - Wyndham exchanges in their system is free, and HGVC is $79 maybe(Which, TBH, is also a money grab and should be cheaper)?

RCI exchange fees are $299 so $199 is a bargain comparatively

 

[dioxide45]

Whoof - granted they're selling Abound now, but for resale that nixes their value even more - Wyndham exchanges in their system is free, and HGVC is $79 maybe(Which, TBH, is also a money grab and should be cheaper)?

Marriott to Marriott exchanges within their points system are free too. Marriott is different than HGVC or Wyndham in that Marriott still has a weeks based exchnage component.

 

[claraj]

For Surf and Ocean Club?

Both! The Getaways for both are priced the same.

 

[PcflEZFlng]

About the price of Getaways, I just realized the price for Getaways for Marriott's Aruba Resorts doubled from last year. I have a spreadsheet where I track the Getaways I see for properties I am interested in since August 2023 and I took a look based on the discussion here and saw the a 1 BR was about $847-$1247 last year for June check-in and this year it is a whopping $2047. I haven't noticed a significant increase from last year for other properties but smaller increases in the $50-$100 range. I wonder if anyone else has noticed increases.

Oh, absolutely. Even off-season (summer) Palm Desert MVC 1 BR full kitchen units have gone up from $499 to $799 since just two years ago. I used to consider them a bargain; not so much anymore. Though I'm sure the MFs have also gone up substantially as well (I haven't checked lately).

 

[claraj]

Getaways are priced more like hotels these days with dynamic pricing schemes. Did you try AC?

My AC's don't pull many Marriott's if at all...

 

[claraj]

usually when the price is that high its because someone has done a cruise exchange or other non-standard transaction and II is trying to recover the costs. Yes there seem to be more of them and for Aruba.

The getaways I've been tracking in Europe are in the same ball-park as usual.

That's an interesting theory!

 

[jwalk03]

My AC's don't pull many Marriott's if at all...

The free ACs they give out like candy almost never pull Marriott. But the ones you get for the deposit promos can sometimes find some Marriott weeks particularly in low demand resorts/seasons.

 

[Hindsite]

The free ACs they give out like candy almost never pull Marriott. But the ones you get for the deposit promos can sometimes find some Marriott weeks particularly in low demand resorts/seasons.

That seems to have changed since the most recent random one was released, Grand Vista and Harbour lake have been available with the random one and also the MVC in France at short notice this month.

 

[dioxide45]

That seems to have changed since the most recent random one was released, Grand Vista and Harbour lake have been available with the random one and also the MVC in France at short notice this month.

I think this is more about the demand and excess inventory than a change in the AC. Just more leftover stuff that II is trying to find a way to unload.

I got raked over the coals a few years ago for using the term "never" when it came to Marriott's on ACs. It never really was never, but for many years Marriott resorts were excluded but would show up now and then. I think even still the Marriott resorts are listed as exclusions even though the ones you noted do show up as able to be booked using an AC.

I've learned to no longer use absolute terms. Thus "almost never" used by @jwalk03 covers those certain exceptions.

 

[Hindsite]

I've learned to no longer use absolute terms. Thus "almost never" used by @jwalk03 covers those certain exceptions.

Mine was a hopeful post, that things may have improved......