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I own points only now.

What’s the per point cost that is being calculated now for maintenance fees? Is it like $.81 per?
A tad over. For good enrolled weeks the fee on a per point basis should be about 2/3 that, maybe less. On 10000 points that's maybe $2000 a year difference while having less options and less legal protections owning points. I'm hoping anyone who would consider points, that already owned weeks, would have good underlying weeks to start with and just enroll by buying the points. Or even far better, enroll by buying weeks that qualify and have lower yearly fees. Even then, if one owned before the cutoff date in June 2010, they could enroll for free or a small fee and have both options without any significant cash outlay. IMO it's difficult to justify buying Trust points at all other than in very specific circumstances which clearly don't apply here. If one is set on having the option of points, there are far better ways to do so than what you seem to be describing. But unless you're willing to give actual details, it's difficult to discuss more specifically and if not willing to do so, why even post to start with. Snippets of info are not helpful.
Our weeks are enrolled in Abound, so we always have the flexibility of using them as weeks or as points (or as a combination of both)
And the MF for every single week, per elected point equivalent, is less in some cases much less than the Abound MF for points.


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I agree with Barry, GOOD enrolled weeks give the best value and flexibility for many. I have weeks I only use (or would rent if not used), weeks I exchange and weeks I take points on. A couple I sometimes take points and sometimes exchange. But I got where I am with MVC a lot cheaper than I could today. It'd be quite a bit more expensive to reach the same situation today and that's mainly not driven by inflation but changes on the MVC side over the last 15 years. It'd be far more difficult to justify even owning today if one had to start from scratch.
 
I gave up my Marriott deeded weeks at Ko Olina and Ocean Pointe for Destination points and then bought 3000 more points.


You would have been far, far better off by renting points each year. This way you wouldn't get "hung" with the points when you finally get ready to dump them. There is a huge amount of points available on the resale market and folks are desperate to rid themselves of them...........















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We have 3 deeded time shares in Hawaii left and we can use our points anytime of the year, to any destination available.
You own Wyndham. Different system.
 
What’s the per point cost that is being calculated now for maintenance fees? Is it like $.81 per?
I think mine are half of that.
 
I suspect you are one of the winners like us who owned weeks before the points program and merely enrolled our weeks to enable exchange into points. Legacy owners retain the advantage of the lowest maintenance fees per point as we pay MF's for our owned week rather than for the number of points we have. We are advantaged.
That sounds like it would have a lot of advantages. So if someone were to purchase a deeded week, can they then elect to turn it into points if they wish? Or is it only for the original owners? Does Marriott charge the same huge transfer fees for deeded weeks?
I have star options I can elect into points, but since finding this site I have gone and looked at resale weeks and I see there are tons of points and weeks for sale.
We like our points as we travel very sporadically and usually not with more than 2mo planning, however there are advantages to both approaches.
All Marriott points I saw for sale (especially on ebay) showed closing costs of $750 per 250 point alottment.

Sheraton Star options don't seem to have that cost, but after reading through many threads on this site; It seems they restrict resale staroptions and those restrictions might include electing for club points?
 
Little bits of info at a time without providing the cost. You spent a HUGE amount of money to buy points. Great for you! Whatever makes you happy. For me, absolutely will NOT do that.
The 3,000 points were likely purchased at full freight less a small discount. So probably somewhere between $45,000 and $50,000.

They’ve tried to get us to do the same, but at our age there are three very good reasons we don’t:

1. The upfront cost

2. Our age. Even though we’ll save a little money each year on MF’s, we’d never be able to use the program long enough to break even, and that’s not even counting the time loss of money taken out of investments.

3. We have a little difficulty using everything we own. We made the mistake of thinking the kids would travel with us occasionally, but they rarely go.
 
The 3,000 points were likely purchased at full freight less a small discount. So probably somewhere between $45,000 and $50,000.

They’ve tried to get us to do the same, but at our age there are three very good reasons we don’t:

1. The upfront cost

2. Our age. Even though we’ll save a little money each year on MF’s, we’d never be able to use the program long enough to break even, and that’s not even counting the time loss of money taken out of investments.

3. We have a little difficulty using everything we own. We made the mistake of thinking the kids would travel with us occasionally, but they rarely go.

The cynical me says the OP is a troll. The OP has refused to provide pertinent details about a transaction they seem very eager to tell everyone here from their initial post.
 
That sounds like it would have a lot of advantages. So if someone were to purchase a deeded week, can they then elect to turn it into points if they wish? Or is it only for the original owners? Does Marriott charge the same huge transfer fees for deeded weeks?
I have star options I can elect into points, but since finding this site I have gone and looked at resale weeks and I see there are tons of points and weeks for sale.
We like our points as we travel very sporadically and usually not with more than 2mo planning, however there are advantages to both approaches.
All Marriott points I saw for sale (especially on ebay) showed closing costs of $750 per 250 point alottment.

Sheraton Star options don't seem to have that cost, but after reading through many threads on this site; It seems they restrict resale staroptions and those restrictions might include electing for club points?

As you already own enrolled ownership and can elect for Club points, you also have the ability to rent Club points into your account as a way to exploring the system and reserving without the ongoing commitment.

Yes resale weeks and Flex Options won't be able to elect for Club points unless you buy something direct for around $10k to enrol them, which can be worth it if you pick up the right resale week and can use the additional vacation time well.
 
I spent lots of money to make a change, though I won’t tell you how much. I think I did it because it makes it easier but I am not sure. I want to discuss it but will only tell you what I want you to know, which is not any real information that would benefit anyone or even allow for a conversation to see if I made a mistake.

At first I thought this was a joke and then I realized this could be my Daughter-in-law in just about everything she does.
 
Only my assessment --

Points system - It appears as a more streamlined and simple approach to timeshare with greater flexibility than weeks. However, from my experience with both weeks and points, the downsides have and are immense. First, there is no assurance that reliance on a total points system can deliver the reservations most of us want. The Trust suffers "very serious deficiencies" in providing access to reservations - not much is owned by the trust so week owners must give up reservations to satisfy point user needs. But, if one can live with scraps, off season reservations, lower demand locations and difficulty in getting reservations, it is probably the way to go.
I appreciate your assessment and recognize that it is shared by many others here on TUG. My own experience with points, though is much more positive. I make 30-40k of points reservations annually, using a combination of enrolled/converted weeks, rented points, and owned points. I have never failed to get the location or dates I wanted, including any of Hawaii in January and Feb. This does require advance planning, and sometimes piecing together reservations that open up later. I prefer to convert weeks to points because of the greater flexibility in check-in/check-out dates and ease in changing reservations, as well as the ability to cancel and bank points (other than rented) for future years if my plans have to change, up to the end of October (for Chairman level). I know this isn't everyone's experience but it works well in my situation.
 
Deeded weeks typically offer great values per point for platinum weeks, but many of us who own silver/gold weeks receive terrible value. Ocean Pointe is a great example. Maintenance fees have almost doubled since 2021. My silver week MF per point increased from .58 to .92. Oceana Palms Gold was assigned terrible point values from the beginning of the program and now is .96. I would much rather have the DC point amounts that I receive from these enrolled weeks than continue to own them. I plan to get rid of both.
 
The cynical me says the OP is a troll. The OP has refused to provide pertinent details about a transaction they seem very eager to tell everyone here from their initial post.

If they’re just trolling, it’s the worst sales technique I’ve ever seen.

While TUG has a ton of members, timeshare retail sales would never exist if everyone used common sense when making a purchase. Sometimes purchases are made simply because it makes it easier, or there’s the illusion that it’s easier.

The reality is points are points regardless of where they come from, deeded weeks or trust points. It’s just as easy to use either. With deeds you have to convert them to points, but it takes about 2 minutes, so it’s not a worth spending thousands of dollar.

There’s the argument that owning individual weeks leaves owner susceptible to special assessments, and they do happen. However, after 24 years of Marriott ownership, there hasn’t been that many and they haven’t been that large.

There are some weeks where the deeded week’s MF are higher than the Abound points received. In that case it’s worth looking at, but generally won’t make sense from an upfront cost perspective at current retail price. In our case we’d have to spend $35,000 to save < $300 per year in MF’s.

The only reason I’ve ever come up with is wanting to increase ownership, maybe to climb to a higher status level, and you have deeded weeks that no longer fit your needs and want to get rid of them. Sure it’s more expensive but for some easy is worth paying a premium. I think if we were younger, we might consider the option. As it is we’d never recoup the initial cost.

There is one advantage many deeded weeks have that points will never offer and that’s exchanges. Our 3 deeded weeks could get a total of 6
full weeks if we locked off them off and exchanged. We’d give up the ability to select view, but for a lot of owners view isn’t important.
 
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if points are worthless--try selling them--if you think otherwise, and timeshares are basically worthless,
then you just paid a huge amount of money for more worthless product.
You must be very proud.
 
The cynical me says the OP is a troll. The OP has refused to provide pertinent details about a transaction they seem very eager to tell everyone here from their initial post.
Whether intentional or not (I vote for former), they are clearly trolling. Just looking for responses without substance. We all know how this story ends.
 
When I read the overly self-confident posts of certain retail buyers, I smile to myself. After all, without retail buyers, there would not be a resale market for the rest of us.
 
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