How comfortable are you renting (from someone) with all the reported crackdowns on renters?

[rickandcindy23]

So do you consider yourself a travel agency based on your pattern of activity? If not what would be different about someone who was acting in that capacity, from what you do?

Renting one's own timeshare doesn't make that person a travel agency.

 

[chapjim]

How would you legally define "truly a commercial business"?

A travel agency. That is just common sense. It is not someone who was talked into buying VIP by a sales agent who told them they could rent it out to cover the extra costs.

I was able to cover my loans with the rents. But if I still had a loan and they pulled this BS on me, I would not beg them to take it back like many are doing. I would simply stop paying and let them foreclose on it.

Just to tick Colorado off. I am changing the subject again. Some are scratching their heads wondering when I said I require 10 positive reviews. They do not know how I get those reviews. Then they do not know what is out there on social media. The world does not center around what is on Red Week and Tug especially with younger people who will be the future potential buyers.

Guests can review their hosts and hosts can review their guests. I have excellent reviews while Wyndham's reputation is in taters out there on social media. So if Wyndham wants to get rid of me, so be it. That will leave them with mainly poor reviews of their company and Fido Chuckwagon telling people to buy resale.

That is why I think they are foolish by not allowing owners to rent and are depending on taking advantage of seniors and gullible people to get to their 3 to 1. Whereas someone like me using the reviews is bringing in people who will be respectful to the rules of the resort and leave good reviews.

By the way Colorado. that is the only tactic I know of that I am using. Trying to send a public message to Wyndham to reconsider.

No, that's not just common sense. That's just plain stupid.

 

[RENTER]

No, that's not just common sense. That's just plain stupid.

Why is that stupid? A travel agency that books rooms to rent out and will never use the resort is clearly different than a owner who rents and also uses the resort. There are travel agencies out there who rent timeshares.

 

[Hindsite]

There are travel agencies out there who rent timeshares.

Sure are, and some of those travel agencies own at the resorts. Some rent their ownership as well as renting what others own. Some non travel agencies rent out other people's ownership.

How would you differentiate between what is allowed and what is not?

 

[chapjim]

Why is that stupid? A travel agency that books rooms to rent out and will never use the resort is clearly different than a owner who rents and also uses the resort. There are travel agencies out there who rent timeshares.

@Hindsite asked how you would define "truly a commercial business." You gave an example -- travel agency. So yes, that was just plain stupid.

 

[rickandcindy23]

There are "companies," basically very smart people, who run a business renting high-dollar timeshare weeks. These folks may not even own a timeshare. They have the know-how to create a website and rent timeshares from those of us who advertise on RW and TUG. They see our ads for specific dates and have people who find their website before go-koala.com, RW and TUG. These companies then contact us as owners and say they have a renter for our price. We sign and get a check in the mail. Easy-breezy. But they are making money off of what we own.

Redweek's model also makes money from owners and renters, especially through their scam verify/ protect service. There are listings that fail to rent. $59 each for me (I am a repeat customer), and I have cancelled three recently that I rented through Koala (free to list with money taken out of the proceeds and much safer) and two DVC that I rented through the DVC Rental Store.

I don't even consider these companies to be travel agencies. Travel agencies have a full spectrum of services.

There is money to be made on timeshares, that's for sure. Lots of money.

 

[RENTER]

@Hindsite asked how you would define "truly a commercial business." You gave an example -- travel agency. So yes, that was just plain stupid.

And I think it is plain stupid that you are nitpicking. It was a simple and quick answer to the question that people with common sense understood

 

[chapjim]

And I think it is plain stupid that you are nitpicking. It was a simple and quick answer to the question that people with common sense understood

But, you didn't define anything, which was the question. You gave an example -- travel agencies -- simple, quick, and not responsive.

 

[RENTER]

But, you didn't define anything, which was the question. You gave an example -- travel agencies -- simple, quick, and not responsive.

I am tired of arguing with people here who are nitpickers. So simply every month I am renting, I will reappear with a wave to rub it in the faces of the rent haters. As for the nitpickers on the stock market thread, I will do the same every time the stock market falls and I survived with my asset allocation diversification.

 

[RENTER]

I am tired of arguing with people here who are nitpickers. So simply every month I am renting, I will reappear with a wave to rub it in the faces of the rent haters. As for the nitpickers on the stock market thread, I will do the same every time the stock market falls and I survived with my asset allocation diversification they also think is stupid.

 

[chapjim]

I am tired of arguing with people here who are nitpickers. So simply every month I am renting, I will reappear with a wave to rub it in the faces of the rent haters. As for the nitpickers on the stock market thread, I will do the same every time the stock market falls and I survived with my asset allocation diversification.

You need to take a remedial reading course.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Renting one's own timeshare doesn't make that person a travel agency.

Yes, also travel agents don’t own anything. They are third party brokers.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Why is that stupid? A travel agency that books rooms to rent out and will never use the resort is clearly different than a owner who rents and also uses the resort. There are travel agencies out there who rent timeshares.

Travel agencies don’t own anything. They are third party brokers. Your definition of “commercial use” would necessarily never include anyone, ever. Literally the word “agent” in “travel agent” indicates that the travel agent is acting on behalf of someone else.

 

[Hindsite]

Yes, also travel agents don’t own anything. They are third party brokers.

There are companies and individuals whose business is as a travel agency who own timeshares and use those, and other people's timeshares to rent out to either their client list or the public.

 

[RENTER]

Travel agencies don’t own anything. They are third party brokers. Your definition of “commercial use” would necessarily never include anyone, ever. Literally the word “agent” in “travel agent” indicates that the travel agent is acting on behalf of someone else.

whatever you say.

 

[johnnyrocket237]

Just went to an HGVC owners meeting at Elara where the salesperson actually encouraged us to rent our home week out on VRBO because it is during Formula One.

if you read the HGVC rules book, it does say "except home week." I suspect this is because you own the deed for that week and they can't prohibit you from renting.