Hawaii to require 14-day quarantine of incoming air passengers [merged]

[csodjd]

I am hoping we get a daily report in the next week or two that shows no new cases. But that may be wishful thinking. There may be no perfect answer. At some point it will be damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

It doesn't necessarily need to get to zero cases, it needs to get to where if a case appears there is easy and quick ability to trace, test all those that had contact with the person, and quarantine as necessary so that there's no spread (or spread is limited and contained). The nature of virus is that zero cases is almost impossible without really good and widespread vaccination. A nice "added" feature would be if there is also a treatment that could be given to anyone testing positive that would remove risk of respiratory failure/ventilation/death.

 

[csodjd]

I heard they were also planning to have testing be a part of the relaxing of restrictions. If that’s the case that could delay things.

Emirates Airlines announced they are now performing pre-boarding testing for the virus and certification of those that pass on their flights departing Dubai.

 

[jtp1947]

I have cancelled our July MOC trip. I feel Hawaii tourism is suffering much more than I am. Hawaii will always be there and a one year hiatus is the least of my worries.

 

[csodjd]

I have cancelled our July MOC trip. I feel Hawaii tourism is suffering much more than I am. Hawaii will always be there and a one year hiatus is the least of my worries.

I still have a Danube Viking river cruise in late September scheduled. My challenge is that my wife has health issues and if we don't go this year, she may not be able to or even be around to do it a year later. So for me, the "one year hiatus" is one of my worries. On top of that, my step-daughter rescheduled her Maui wedding from May to November. So a trip to Hawaii is definitely planned for November!

 

[Tamaradarann]

I am hoping we get a daily report in the next week or two that shows no new cases. But that may be wishful thinking. There may be no perfect answer. At some point it will be damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

I totally agree with your comment "damned if you do , damned if you don't". That was the point that I was making a few days ago about the pressure our leaders are under to make decisions with respect to this virus. However, it looks like the President is encurraging those states that have had relatively few cases and want to take off restritions to do so in the near future. My view on this for Hawaii, which has had relatively very few cases campared to other states is this: If the other states that have had relatively few cases want to take off restrictions say by the end of April let them go first. See what the the restrictions that they lift and the impact. Then make decisions perhaps by the end of May for taking off restrictions. The isolation of Hawaii makes it a special case for necessity for preventing the spread of infection. I would not Lump Hawaii in with the other relatively few case states, but I would love to learn from what those other states experience in lifting restrictions before I lifted restrictions.

 

[csodjd]

I totally agree with your comment "damned if you do , damned if you don't". That was the point that I was making a few days ago about the pressure our leaders are under to make decisions with respect to this virus. However, it looks like the President is encurraging those states that have had relatively few cases and want to take off restritions to do so in the near future. My view on this for Hawaii, which has had relatively very few cases campared to other states is this: If the other states that have had relatively few cases want to take off restrictions say by the end of April let them go first. See what the the restrictions that they lift and the impact. Then make decisions perhaps by the end of May for taking off restrictions. The isolation of Hawaii makes it a special case for necessity for preventing the spread of infection. I would not Lump Hawaii in with the other relatively few case states, but I would love to learn from what those other states experience in lifting restrictions before I lifted restrictions.

Hawaii has an additional challenge that, say, Wyoming or North Dakota don't have, and that's that they have huge numbers that want to come in from elsewhere. It's one thing to manage/control virus spread within your state and state residents, another entirely to deal with "outsiders" from around the world.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Hawaii has an additional challenge that, say, Wyoming or North Dakota don't have, and that's that they have huge numbers that want to come in from elsewhere. It's one thing to manage/control virus spread within your state and state residents, another entirely to deal with "outsiders" from around the world.

That is why I said that I wouldn't lump Hawaii in with the other states with relatively few cases. However, waiting and seeing how those other states fair would assist in Hawaii with easing the restrictions on the current occupants of the state. When it comes to travel, it would be folly for Hawaii to use any other State as an example. There is no comparison. However, there is also no comparison on the economic reliance of the tourist industry. That brings me back to my first two sentences of my last comment.

 

[csodjd]

Here is an early description of the plan being introduced today by Trump.

Trump gives governors 3-phase plan to reopen economy

President Donald Trump unveiled his administration’s plans to ease social distancing requirements on a call Thursday with the nation’s governors.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

It appears to require at least a 28 day period from now before even the best of places can start reopening, and likely more because it presumes the availability of widespread testing before the time period can start.

 

[Luanne]

Here is an early description of the plan being introduced today by Trump.

Trump gives governors 3-phase plan to reopen economy

President Donald Trump unveiled his administration’s plans to ease social distancing requirements on a call Thursday with the nation’s governors.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

It appears to require at least a 28 day period from now before even the best of places can start reopening, and likely more because it presumes the availability of widespread testing before the time period can start.

And, if you noticed, he is leaving it up to the governors of each state to decide when it's appropriate to start.

 

[csodjd]

And, if you noticed, he is leaving it up to the governors of each state to decide when it's appropriate to start.

Yes. The total control is gone. It's now entirely at the discretion of the respective Governors. As it had to be. It's just a matter of basic Constitutional law that matters of public health are with the state, not the federal government. That's why there's no such thing as a medical license that licenses a doctor in every state.

 

[PigsDad]

And, if you noticed, he is leaving it up to the governors of each state to decide when it's appropriate to start.

Maybe he (or more likely, someone in his administration) read the Constitution and realized he doesn't have "total authority" over the states?

Kurt

 

[csodjd]

Maybe he (or more likely, someone in his administration) read the Constitution and realized he doesn't have "total authority" over the states?

Kurt

Unfortunately, the reality of the modern government is that, though he/the President doesn't have Constitutional control, in many ways -- mostly money -- they do have control. States get so much of their funding through the Federal government they are about as independent from the Federal government as a doctor that gets 80% of his/her revenue from Medicare.

 

[Kapolei]

MV 2br penthouse villa non lock off.

Might be in Kona tower as that is where all guests are right now.

Also will be here so PM me if you want to meet up. We are here till June 12.
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Enjoy the peaceful times in the resort. It is nice that things are slow, but this complete closure of the lagoon beaches and pathway is beginning to get old. I am going to be looking for the first couple of weeks of June also at MKO with the ACs. Can't beat getting a 2 bd for a week for less than the nightly price of a hotel. I may be working at the time, but it is nice to stay there for a change of place. Parking lot will be empty. I imagine the rooms will be as clean as ever. Would be nice to meet you when we check in the resort.

 

[frank808]

Enjoy the peaceful times in the resort. It is nice that things are slow, but this complete closure of the lagoon beaches and pathway is beginning to get old. I am going to be looking for the first couple of weeks of June also at MKO with the ACs. Can't beat getting a 2 bd for a week for less than the nightly price of a hotel. I may be working at the time, but it is nice to stay there for a change of place. Parking lot will be empty. I imagine the rooms will be as clean as ever. Would be nice to meet you when we check in the resort.

Give me a ring in the room. I should still be in 11109/11111. I have been told they won't move me because there are no housekeepers on site. Management has told me I could stay in this room until checkout on June 12.

Hope they keep their word if the restrictions are lifted, they are planning on a reopening of resort in mid May.

Since you got a week for the price of an AC it is great. It has been 4 years or so that I have been able to get into MKO with and AC. In the past decade I have only used an AC about 4 times into MKO. This was when II had the make an exchange and get a free exchange into overdeveloped area by just paying the trade fee.

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[Kapolei]

It was more or less one of those throw away ACs that everyone gets. Surprised it pulled MKO. There are some more May weeks avail. for anyone on Oahu that wants to give it a shot. Mid May sounds encouraging. Sounds like there is a possibility of a soft reopening of resorts before the aviation floodgates are reopened.

 

[VacationForever]

It was more or less one of those throw away ACs that everyone gets. Surprised it pulled MKO. There are some more May weeks avail. for anyone on Oahu that wants to give it a shot. Mid May sounds encouraging. Sounds like there is a possibility of a soft reopening of resorts before the aviation floodgates are reopened.

I didn't follow. Do you have to fly to Oahu or do you live in Kapolei currently?

 

[Kapolei]

I didn't follow. Do you have to fly to Oahu or do you live in Kapolei currently?

I am nearby the resort. We have stayed there many times over the years.

 

[VacationForever]

I am nearby the resort. We have stayed there many times over the years.

We love MKO but it is a flight away and we cancelled our April stay back in January when it looked like COVID-19 was going to go bad.

 

[Kapolei]

We love MKO but it is a flight away and we cancelled our April stay back in January when it looked like COVID-19 was going to go bad.

Koolina residents are basically walking the cart paths now. The beach pathway has been closed for some time.

We live nearby and although we can easily access the beach without staying there, we enjoy staying at the resort. The landscaping and pools at MKO are first rate. And the people staying there tend to be really nice. Perhaps different than your average Waikiki tourist. Great place for a staycation.

 

[frank808]

It was more or less one of those throw away ACs that everyone gets. Surprised it pulled MKO. There are some more May weeks avail. for anyone on Oahu that wants to give it a shot. Mid May sounds encouraging. Sounds like there is a possibility of a soft reopening of resorts before the aviation floodgates are reopened.

Wish I didnt book out my stays for 2020.

If I had any open weeks to fill this year, l would move my confirmed exchanges from May to later in the year. Then use AC to book these May weeks at MKO.

First world problems for sure.

See you when you check in at the end of May.

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[TravelTime]

Companies in California are starting to announce that they will re-open slowly in waves. Some are saying it could be over a 12-18 month period. I can’t imagine Hawaii opening up to out of state tourists very quickly. I suspect they will want to protect their residents and keep restrictions in place until covid cases have gone way down, maybe until a vaccine is available.

 

[frank808]

Companies in California are starting to announce that they will re-open slowly in waves. Some are saying it could be over a 12-18 month period. I can’t imagine Hawaii opening up to out of state tourists very quickly. I suspect they will want to protect their residents and keep restrictions in place until covid cases have gone way down, maybe until a vaccine is available.

That might work in a perfect world. But a lot of businesses will not be open if economy does not start withing the next month. Forget the businesses, a lot of people will not be able to make ends meet if it last much longer. Latest figures I saw on the news was about 25% of the workforce in Hawaii are unemployed.

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[TravelTime]

That might work in a perfect world. But a lot of businesses will not be open if economy does not start withing the next month. Forget the businesses, a lot of people will not be able to make ends meet if it last much longer. Latest figures I saw on the news was about 25% of the workforce in Hawaii are unemployed.

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I agree it does not make economic sense but I think governments and large companies are trying to be ultra conservative. I read today that Michigan already has a 25% unemployment rate too. I just can‘t imagine the governments lifting restrictions too soon after shutting us down for so long already. The economy is already ruined. What’s a few more months or another year to save lives?

 

[Kapolei]

I agree it does not make economic sense but I think governments and large companies are trying to be ultra conservative. I read today that Michigan already has a 25% unemployment rate too. I just can‘t imagine the governments lifting restrictions too soon after shutting us down for so long already. The economy is already ruined. What’s a few more months or another year to save lives?

It‘s interesting that some may be earning more on unemployment (once they get their checks) than before because they get unemployment plus the $600 a week stimulus. This is for 4 months. I haven’t verified this. Just what I read in the news.

 

[VacationForever]

It‘s interesting that some may be earning more on unemployment (once they get their checks) than before because they get unemployment plus the $600 a week stimulus. This is for 4 months. I haven’t verified this. Just what I read in the news.

It is correct. The senate bill that got passed did not put in a qualifier of up to the person's regular pay or $600, whichever is lower. A few law makers noticed it before they voted but they decided not to hold it up.