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Harborside 3 Night Minimum Stay

NJDave

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I was looking for availability at Harborside to book one night to use on a cruise. I noticed that there is now a 3 night minimum stay. When did that happen? It was a nice perk to get a room for the day use.

This is the message when I was looking for one night. I got the same message for two nights but found availability if I searched for 3 nights.

HARBORSIDE RESORT AT ATLANTIS
NASSAU, THE BAHAMAS
Search Tip: The resort you selected has a minimum stay restriction during the requested timeframe. Please modify and search again.
 
I was looking for availability at Harborside to book one night to use on a cruise. I noticed that there is now a 3 night minimum stay. When did that happen? It was a nice perk to get a room for the day use.

This is the message when I was looking for one night. I got the same message for two nights but found availability if I searched for 3 nights.

HARBORSIDE RESORT AT ATLANTIS
NASSAU, THE BAHAMAS
Search Tip: The resort you selected has a minimum stay restriction during the requested timeframe. Please modify and search again.
It might just be for the time of year you are going. When were you going to be there?
 
Just did a number of test searches for fall weeks and it looks like the three night minimum is in tact for all the dates I checked. This will be a big hit for those that would use the resort for a cheap day pass for Atlantis.
 
I was checking for mid November - mid December. I also checked for April and May to see if the restriction was lifted within 30 days. I got the same message. I even checked for this week. There is availability but still a 3 night minimum.
 
I was checking for mid November - mid December. I also checked for April and May to see if the restriction was lifted within 30 days. I got the same message. I even checked for this week. There is availability but still a 3 night minimum.
Yup. Looks like another change, thanks to Marriott...

It just leaves the potential for more unreserved inventory that Marriott can Hoover up to rent out. These types of one night stays were very low impact on the resort itself. Most times the rooms weren't used at all, though I suspect they still went in and pulled all the linens.
 
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I can say that when we booked to go in September 2022, there was no 3-night minimum.
 
so, begs the question, can Marriott impose the three day min on StarOptions stays, or is that against the language that likely says something like "you can book stays of one to 21 days starting on any day subject to availability in the network (ie 8mos or less) period"
 
Well, I think we've probably discovered what Marriott gave to Atlantis in order to get permission to put Harborside into DC points...
 
Well, I think we've probably discovered what Marriott gave to Atlantis in order to get permission to put Harborside into DC points...
do they have a go? I thought the hold up was Bahamian laws not the board or the developer.
 
do they have a go? I thought the hold up was Bahamian laws not the board or the developer.

Maybe I'm mistaken then. I though the JV structure was an issue with the developer partner also needing to approve.

Atlantis would certainly like the 3 night minimum, because people who would otherwise buy cruise ship passes are doing that instead.
 
It was my understanding that the hold up for both Harborside and Riverfront were the third party developers involved.
 
This seems like it’s against VSN rules (but I haven’t checked the fine print,) and also a slippery slope…. If they can do this for Staroption stays here, then why not Maui Orlando too?
 
3-night minimum has also been in place for Westin St.John for a long time.
 
I tried looking through the VSN Disclosure Guide for Mandatory owners and couldn't find anything specific about minimum stays. I know on the Marriott side they have had minimum stay requirements for a while and there is verbiage in the Disclosure Guide granting them the ability to do so.
 
I tried looking through the VSN Disclosure Guide for Mandatory owners and couldn't find anything specific about minimum stays. I know on the Marriott side they have had minimum stay requirements for a while and there is verbiage in the Disclosure Guide granting them the ability to do so.

Seems like a restriction they intend to impose in Abound and extended to VSN to “level the playing field”. Whether VSN rules allow it or not doesn’t matter unless there is an outrage like there was when they imposed a guest fee for home resort reservations.


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3-night minimum has also been in place for Westin St.John for a long time.

This doesn’t seem accurate. If there is a 3-night restriction it’s not year round. Just searched this now.

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I was checking some dates in October and no longer see the 3-night minimum for Harborside.
 
I was checking some dates in October and no longer see the 3-night minimum for Harborside.
I was able to book one night in early November the day before my 10 day for better airfare Back in March.
today I saw the unit size I wanted and booked one night again.
 
Consistently inconsistent! Typical with Marriott.
 
It seems that Marriott has decided to impose restrictions on the minimum number of nights required for booking at more and more resorts, significantly diminishing the value of our ownerships. This particularly affects those enrolled in Abound/VSN who are also owners at these specific resorts. Such owners are more likely to want to add a couple of nights at the beginning and/or end of a week reservation. While I can almost understand the reluctance to allow bookings for just a couple of nights, if you already have a week or two reserved (home resort reservation, Interval exchange etc), why should adding a few nights be subject to any minimum requirement when your actual vacation is intended for 9 or 16 nights?

Furthermore, like with most, if not all other decisions that Marriott makes on behalf of our resorts, there has been no transparency, let alone consultation about this development. I'm not even sure if the HOA board members are made aware of this after the fact, let alone if any discussions take place before the changes are implemented.

Another issue is the likelihood of a larger number of points expiring unused. Suppose you have 20,000 Staroptions or 1,000 Abound points remaining for a year. If you can’t effectively use them by adding few nights to your week reservations, what will you end up doing with the points? I'm sure Marriott doesn't mind if they simply expire before you can utilize them.
 
It seems that Marriott has decided to impose restrictions on the minimum number of nights required for booking at more and more resorts, significantly diminishing the value of our ownerships. This particularly affects those enrolled in Abound/VSN who are also owners at these specific resorts. Such owners are more likely to want to add a couple of nights at the beginning and/or end of a week reservation. While I can almost understand the reluctance to allow bookings for just a couple of nights, if you already have a week or two reserved (home resort reservation, Interval exchange etc), why should adding a few nights be subject to any minimum requirement when your actual vacation is intended for 9 or 16 nights?

Furthermore, like with most, if not all other decisions that Marriott makes on behalf of our resorts, there has been no transparency, let alone consultation about this development. I'm not even sure if the HOA board members are made aware of this after the fact, let alone if any discussions take place before the changes are implemented.

Another issue is the likelihood of a larger number of points expiring unused. Suppose you have 20,000 Staroptions or 1,000 Abound points remaining for a year. If you can’t effectively use them by adding few nights to your week reservations, what will you end up doing with the points? I'm sure Marriott doesn't mind if they simply expire before you can utilize them.
Where are you seeing these restrictions in writing.
Abound point reservations do not have # of day restrictions. In fact, one of the perks of the higher level of ownership is the ability to make single day(s) Resies at 13 months out.
It was Vistana that restricted WSJ and Harborside to 3 days + not Marriott - these restrictions seem to be gone.
 
Where are you seeing these restrictions in writing.
Abound point reservations do not have # of day restrictions. In fact, one of the perks of the higher level of ownership is the ability to make single day(s) Resies at 13 months out.
It was Vistana that restricted WSJ and Harborside to 3 days + not Marriott - these restrictions seem to be gone.
The underlying exchange procedures do have a general statement about minimum stay requirements.

It seems there was a short period of time when Harborside had a three night restriction across most nights. Not sure when it was removed or if it still exists for certain dates.
 
Where are you seeing these restrictions in writing.
Abound point reservations do not have # of day restrictions. In fact, one of the perks of the higher level of ownership is the ability to make single day(s) Resies at 13 months out.
It was Vistana that restricted WSJ and Harborside to 3 days + not Marriott - these restrictions seem to be gone.

MVW sells the higher levels of ownership as always being able to make a single day reservation at 13 months.

Like many things in sales presentations, that's not true. The fine print in the documents allows them to set minimum stays for resorts, and they often do.
 
MVW sells the higher levels of ownership as always being able to make a single day reservation at 13 months.

Like many things in sales presentations, that's not true. The fine print in the documents allows them to set minimum stays for resorts, and they often do.
What is not true? Here is the benefit info.
and as a long time WSJ owner I could not make a one day resie under Vistana - now with Abound I can use SO to make a one day resie there and also at Harborside.

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I mean, I get they publish that reservation window. That's the part where they're promising something.

But they also set minimum stays for various resorts at various times, which is the part where they don't deliver on that promise.

As just one example, if you're Chairman you can book any stay at Cypress Harbor for Spring Break as long as it is 6 nights long:
 
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