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Is Webster a place where people typically might vacation? Just curious as the Great Wolf in Northern Ca is located in Manteca, which is not really a vacation hot spot. I was just wondering if all the Great Wolfs are located in less popular locations, and thus, the resort is really the main attraction.
I doubt if many people vacation in Webster, but the population of nearby Houston (less than 20 miles away) is 2.3 million. Its a great location for a staycation.

One of the Great Wolf Lodges is only 5 miles from DFW airport. It would be easy to fly in and take an Uber to Great Wolf in Grapevine, Texas.
 

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I’ve only seen them in big vacation spots here in the Midwest, there are GWL resorts in Traverse City (huge vacation spot on Lake Michigan/ Michigan Wine County), Sandusky Ohio (Cedar Point amusement park), Mason Ohio (Kings Island amusement park/ Cinci Dayton area) and Wisconsin Dells (big touristy area). Not sure other places, though.
IMO, I wouldn't classify any of those as big vacation spots. At least not Sandusky and Mason. Sure, they are close to large amusement parks. They tend to attract regional or day travelers more so than other places I would consider vacation big vacation spots like Orlando, Myrtle Beach or Hawaii. It seems they may locate them in areas where there are some other attractions, but they don't seem to want to compete against the big destinations.

I don't think GWL sees themselves as a fly to destination. They are mainly serving nearby urban centers.
 

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IMO, I wouldn't classify any of those as big vacation spots. At least not Sandusky and Mason. Sure, they are close to large amusement parks. They tend to attract regional or day travelers more so than other places I would consider vacation big vacation spots like Orlando, Myrtle Beach or Hawaii. It seems they may locate them in areas where there are some other attractions, but they don't seem to want to compete against the big destinations.

I don't think GWL sees themselves as a fly to destination. They are mainly serving nearby urban centers.
Wisconsin Dells has about five million visitors a year. Close to two billion a year in direct and indirect spending.
 

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IMO, I wouldn't classify any of those as big vacation spots. At least not Sandusky and Mason. Sure, they are close to large amusement parks. They tend to attract regional or day travelers more so than other places I would consider vacation big vacation spots like Orlando, Myrtle Beach or Hawaii. It seems they may locate them in areas where there are some other attractions, but they don't seem to want to compete against the big destinations.

I don't think GWL sees themselves as a fly to destination. They are mainly serving nearby urban centers.
No, they are not fly to destination spots, but they position themselves where families travel to for shorter stays. Cedar Points attracts more than 4 million visitors a year and it’s only open 6 months out of the year. Many people stay at Cedar Point for 2 or 3 nights and then hop over to GWL or the other indoor water park Kalahari (superior to GWL) for a night or two. Same with Kings Island and Dayton. The four places I have listed are all places where families travel to. Sandusky is not a large population center and Cedar Point is the main business that supports it. I can’t say to the other locations, but these four are all destination places for the Midwest.

Traverse City another animal altogether. At least in the Midwest, it’s a very popular place to visit. Between the beaches, wineries, breweries, state parks, Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, skiing and the city itself (The National Cherry Festival, great foodie places and local artisan shops), it’s one of the most popular destinations in the Midwest. If you haven’t been to Traverse, I would most definitely recommend placing it on a list of place to go. It’s not as local/organic as it was 15 years ago, but it’s still a great vacation place.
 

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Wisconsin Dells has about five million visitors a year. Close to two billion a year in direct and indirect spending.
I've been there and for the life of me can't figure out the draw of the place. How on earth do 5 million people want to show up there every year?
 

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Okay, thanks, everyone. It sort of confirms my suspicions that GWL was more of a short-stay local attraction. Maybe I will get there someday with the Grandkids, or perhaps not. I had always wanted to visit Cedar Point, but I think my roller coaster days are limited, and it's probably not going to happen.

I have heard good things about Traverse City, but being from CA, it's kind of an unusual place to visit. But we may still make it there, though not for GWL..
 

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Wisconsin Dells has about five million visitors a year. Close to two billion a year in direct and indirect spending.
Shoot, I over estimated the Dells. With those numbers, Sandusky area seems like a bigger draw.
 

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No, they are not fly to destination spots, but they position themselves where families travel to for shorter stays. Cedar Points attracts more than 4 million visitors a year and it’s only open 6 months out of the year. Many people stay at Cedar Point for 2 or 3 nights and then hop over to GWL or the other indoor water park Kalahari (superior to GWL) for a night or two. Same with Kings Island and Dayton. The four places I have listed are all places where families travel to. Sandusky is not a large population center and Cedar Point is the main business that supports it. I can’t say to the other locations, but these four are all destination places for the Midwest.

Traverse City another animal altogether. At least in the Midwest, it’s a very popular place to visit. Between the beaches, wineries, breweries, state parks, Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, skiing and the city itself (The National Cherry Festival, great foodie places and local artisan shops), it’s one of the most popular destinations in the Midwest. If you haven’t been to Traverse, I would most definitely recommend placing it on a list of place to go. It’s not as local/organic as it was 15 years ago, but it’s still a great vacation place.
I can agree for the most part, except for Dayton. I lived in the Dayton area for 20 years. It really isn't a vacation destination. Not even a regional one. As for Kings Island, it is a local draw amusement park. Sure some people may come from out of town, but 90-95% are just going to be people who live in the Cincinnati/Dayton area. People are much more likely to drive from a greater distance to go to Cedar Point than they are to go to Kings Island.

I guess it all depends on the context. I suppose for the mid-west I would consider them "big vacation spots", but overall they are quite small.
 
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Shoot, I over estimated the Dells. With those numbers, Sandusky area seems like a bigger draw.

It was a complete tourist trap. I needed a half a bottle of advil after visiting one of those indoor waterparks.


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It was a complete tourist trap. I needed a half a bottle of advil after visiting one of those indoor waterparks.


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Sounds like Branson, Gatlinburg, Niagara Falls and even perhaps Myrtle Beach.
 

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Shoot, I over estimated the Dells. With those numbers, Sandusky area seems like a bigger draw.
It has 2900 residents so it’s a pretty good draw and 2600 in neighboring tiwn
And those indoor waterparks are deafening
But the area is truly beautiful and many tourists come for that, the state parks, the river , etc
 

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I've been there and for the life of me can't figure out the draw of the place. How on earth do 5 million people want to show up there every year?
Devils lake
Mirror lake
International crane foundation
Baraboo circus museum
Trips on Wisconsin river
And then the touristy stuff, it’s got everything you find on a cruise ship. When I went on my first cruise I thought I was in a miniature Dells

I think the locals that built the dells up are marketing geniuses
 

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I can agree for the most part, except for Dayton. I lived in the Dayton area for 20 years. It really isn't a vacation destination. Not even a regional one. As for Kings Island, it is a local draw amusement park. Sure some people may come from out of town, but 90-95% are just going to be people who live in the Cincinnati/Dayton area. People are much more likely to drive from a greater distance to go to Cedar Point than they are to go to Kings Island.

I guess it all depends on the context. I suppose for the mid-west I would consider them "big vacation spots", but overall they are quite small.
Yeah, Kings Island most definitely is not the draw that Cedar Point is. There really aren’t any big draws like HHI, MB or Orlando in the Midwest, but it has many smaller draws, at least Michigan does. The weather just isn’t good enough year round for true big time draw. Spring just stinks here. It’s muddy, rainy and still pretty cold. With the exception of the couple of peak color weeks, fall is similar. We were in 3rd spring earlier in the week (almost 60) and it snowed last night. 4th spring starts next week.
 

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Okay, thanks, everyone. It sort of confirms my suspicions that GWL was more of a short-stay local attraction. Maybe I will get there someday with the Grandkids, or perhaps not. I had always wanted to visit Cedar Point, but I think my roller coaster days are limited, and it's probably not going to happen.

I have heard good things about Traverse City, but being from CA, it's kind of an unusual place to visit. But we may still make it there, though not for GWL..
It all depends on what you want to do. Being from California, there’s a lot of overlap in things to do. That being said, most people outside of the Midwest really don’t understand how big the Great Lakes are. I have taken a fair amount of people to the shores and they fully expect to see across the lake to the other side. Not happening.

TC has very nice things going for as does Marquette in the UP. Both have international airports that service them. Sawyer Airport used to be an Air Force base that housed B52 units. It’s since been converted into a civilian air port by Marquette County. Fun fact, you can hike to a downed B17 in the Porcupine Mountains. There’s no trail, but you can put the coordinates into your GPS and it will take you there. It was a trainer that crashed during WWII.
 

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When I first saw the HGVC pt required to book GWL, I thought that it was ridiculous. I don’t see that I would ever use that option. Now, to find out that you can book GWL cheaper using cash makes me wonder about the logic. I see that it is only really as a marketing tool for HGV, just like some of the other options available such as cruises, renting RVs, tours, etc.
 

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When I first saw the HGVC pt required to book GWL, I thought that it was ridiculous. I don’t see that I would ever use that option. Now, to find out that you can book GWL cheaper using cash makes me wonder about the logic. I see that it is only really as a marketing tool for HGV, just like some of the other options available such as cruises, renting RVs, tours, etc.
It seems to always be how these cash based exchange options work. GWL doesn't care about HGVC points. Those have zero value to them. So when an owner wants to go to GWL, HGV needs to go and pay GWL actual cash for the booking. They need to then try to monetize the points from the owner by renting out inventory on Hilton.com or elsewhere. That carries risk. They may not be able to get anything or they may rent half the value of the points. HGV takes on all the risk so they build in very large margins. Thus why all things like GWL, cruises, tours, theme park tickets or shows always have a poor value when using points.
 

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When I first saw the HGVC pt required to book GWL, I thought that it was ridiculous. I don’t see that I would ever use that option. Now, to find out that you can book GWL cheaper using cash makes me wonder about the logic. I see that it is only really as a marketing tool for HGV, just like some of the other options available such as cruises, renting RVs, tours, etc.
The only thing I can think of it is good for the salespeople selling HGVC. They say look at all of the states you can visit. They don't tell you half of those states are Great Wolf Lodge waterparks with ridiculous point charts.
 

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We went to the GWL in PA over Thanksgiving and as has been discussed it was:
1: Loud (combo of a Carnival cruise deck and Disney budget hotel foodcourt during breakfast)
2: Easy to drive to and the people we met were from the regional area too
3: Good for a single night or two max
4: Located in a regional touristy area with other things to do if you wanted to do them.

The following is for information, not a defense of the point value:
In a standard-basic-lowest-point room we could have six people and get six waterpark passes for those people for each day we were on site. The points are set to accommodate a fully packed room going to the water park on both days around an overnight. So for a single night stay, you are paying for 12 water park passes in addition to the room whether you use them or not. All six people have to get their magic bands at check in so you can't move people around.

I would not recommend it for people who don't plan to use the park or pack the room. We went every day we were there (drove home with the back-seaters sleeping) and we rode slides non-stop. There are no kitchens (microfridge), so you need to show up with simple food/snacks and cooler. For us this wasn't a big deal. We liked being able to take a meal break and go back and ride slides after dark.

Positives: I was given a special check in lane that went quick, got to choose my room location (main building, top floor end of hall far from noise) did not get a sales pitch or any calls and the room was a very spacious place with soaring ceilings and a small balcony so we never felt cramped.

I 1000% believe this is a dots on the map thing for HGVC and a bad use of points, BUT it was a better use than letting non-savable points expire and the family members we took had a blast, so there was joy in that aspect.
 

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We went to the GWL in PA over Thanksgiving and as has been discussed it was:
1: Loud (combo of a Carnival cruise deck and Disney budget hotel foodcourt during breakfast)
2: Easy to drive to and the people we met were from the regional area too
3: Good for a single night or two max
4: Located in a regional touristy area with other things to do if you wanted to do them.

The following is for information, not a defense of the point value:
In a standard-basic-lowest-point room we could have six people and get six waterpark passes for those people for each day we were on site. The points are set to accommodate a fully packed room going to the water park on both days around an overnight. So for a single night stay, you are paying for 12 water park passes in addition to the room whether you use them or not. All six people have to get their magic bands at check in so you can't move people around.

I would not recommend it for people who don't plan to use the park or pack the room. We went every day we were there (drove home with the back-seaters sleeping) and we rode slides non-stop. There are no kitchens (microfridge), so you need to show up with simple food/snacks and cooler. For us this wasn't a big deal. We liked being able to take a meal break and go back and ride slides after dark.

Positives: I was given a special check in lane that went quick, got to choose my room location (main building, top floor end of hall far from noise) did not get a sales pitch or any calls and the room was a very spacious place with soaring ceilings and a small balcony so we never felt cramped.

I 1000% believe this is a dots on the map thing for HGVC and a bad use of points, BUT it was a better use than letting non-savable points expire and the family members we took had a blast, so there was joy in that aspect.
By contrast Mt Olympus in Wisconsin Dells owns about 35 motels, has specials during the year selling those rooms for $49, the rooms come with four wristbands and are good on check in day and check out day. They closed all,pools at the motel so those that book odyssey Bluegreen in dells go to a water and theme park that is jammed with people who paid virtually nothing for their room but pay a lot of points.
locals claim they ont step foot in that water park.
 
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