Forget Max, new new thing is Trust Points

[HuskerATL]

So do HVC/DRI points go farther than HGV points, or are HVC/DRI owners just getting bent over a barrel? I thought the HGV point recalibration a while back was to bring HGV and DRI points systems into parity, so it seems like the DRI/HVC folks have a raw deal!

I think the points spend the same so a 2 bedroom plat in a certain HGVC/HC property would cost the same points across HGV but DRI/HVC properties tend to be less points than HGVC/HC.

 

[brp]

THE HAWAII COLLECTION includes only 3 Hawaii properties

When we did the owners update last month, I swear they were switching back-and-forth between selling us a deeded property and just “points” without distinguishing between the two.

One thing both my husband and I noted was that the “Hawaii collection” only contains three timeshares that were actually in Hawaii— the Modern in Honolulu, Kaanapali Beach club on Maui, and a 3rd on Kauai. The rest of the timeshares in that collection were on the mainland USA, including Nevada and I think Utah.

And as we would only be interested in DRI for Maui and Kauai (HGVC covers Big Island sufficiently), this is just what we are looking at getting resale at some point inasmuch as the Collection-only restrictions would not impact us. Seems points may be the way to go.

Cheers.

 

[DRIless]

Bingo! Deeded owners are competing in a different inventory pool, so it's not like the trust owners can take all the reservations at 13 months. Of course the sales weasels neglect to explain that bit.

Then you have the poor Max people waiting until 6 months for the dregs that got exchanged between HGV -> HGVC.

As Pedro says. What a mess.

That's if you 'TRUST' them to be keeping these inventories separate.

 

[HuskerATL]

They are also pushing for folks to join the Trust so the deeded owner pool may reduce over time.

 

[brp]

That's if you 'TRUST' them to be keeping these inventories separate.

InDEED.

Cheers.

 

[geist1223]

So if you are only interested in DRI for Maui and Kauai then search around and find DRI Hawaiian Collection Points on the resell market. DRI Hawaiian Collection has higher Maintenance Fees than the Cabo Collection. Several years ago when we were DRI Hawaiian Collection Members we were able to pick up resell Hawaiian Collection Points for $0.00 and they paid the transfer fee. You will have a 13 month Booking Window from the first-day of the Booking.

 

[brp]

So if you are only interested in DRI for Maui and Kauai then search around and find DRI Hawaiian Collection Points on the resell market. DRI Hawaiian Collection has higher Maintenance Fees than the Cabo Collection. Several years ago when we were DRI Hawaiian Collection Members we were able to pick up resell Hawaiian Collection Points for $0.00 and they paid the transfer fee. You will have a 13 month Booking Window from the first-day of the Booking.

This is exactly the plan. Just waiting a bit until things are more settled on the integration to be (more) sure that things stay thus way.

Cheers.

 

[dioxide45]

Trust points rule, weeks drool.....

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I just read on the DRI forum that you cannot rent out your Trust Points. But you can rent out your deeded week.

 

[ernststarhemberg]

I just read on the DRI forum that you cannot rent out your Trust Points. But you can rent out your deeded week.

It's all coming together!

 

[HuskerATL]

I just read on the DRI forum that you cannot rent out your Trust Points. But you can rent out your deeded week.

That makes sense because they don't have a HW. We, technically, can only rent out our HW.

 

[ernststarhemberg]

bHC deeds don't have a home week, either, but at least the bHC club rules (for now) are vague about renting out stays. The restriction for bHC points is from renting out suites such that it "creates a pattern deemed commercial activity," something like that.

Leaves a lot open for interpretation, but the implication here is solidly that renting suites is permitted, to a point... Curious how long that language will last!

 

[HuskerATL]

bHC deeds don't have a home week, either, but at least the bHC club rules (for now) are vague about renting out stays. The restriction for bHC points is from renting out suites such that it "creates a pattern deemed commercial activity," something like that.

Leaves a lot open for interpretation, but the implication here is solidly that renting suites is permitted, to a point... Curious how long that language will last!

I don't know that HC didn't have HWs. Is that for all HC properties?

 

[jehb2]

And as we would only be interested in DRI for Maui and Kauai (HGVC covers Big Island sufficiently), this is just what we are looking at getting resale at some point inasmuch as the Collection-only restrictions would not impact us. Seems points may be the way to go.

Cheers.

Also note that the modern in Honolulu and the Kaanapali Beach Club on Maui do not full kitchens. I have heard that Kaanapali Beach Club now offers hot plates if you request one.

For years I had an ongoing RCI search for Maui and Ka’anapali Beach club was really easy to get. But I always turned it down because kitchens are high on my list.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

There is home week season (platinum, gold) and Home resort season in bHC. Most owners use Home Resort season i.e. 9 mos to Club season.

Kaanapali BC 2 bdrm has a small kitchen but no stove. There was an electric skillet, microwave, toaster full refrigerator and a small kitchen island. Although I would prefer a stove I could make a week work with the electric skillet. The unit is very large but the kitchen is very small. If HGV wanted to make it a full kitchen, there would be plenty of space.

 

[HuskerATL]

There is home week season (platinum, gold) and Home resort season in bHC. Most owners use Home Resort season i.e. 9 mos to Club season.

So you are guaranteed a week in that season similar to the way HGVC HWs work?

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Correct. That's why they have Platinum and Gold seasons. However we also have Home Resort period which is like Club but only owners (Plat and Gold) can book.

 

[ernststarhemberg]

And do I understand the rules correctly that only bHC owners can book bHC rooms nine months out at certain (or all) bHC properties? Or are bHC and HGV owners on equal terms vying for bHC rooms at the nine-months-from-checkout date?

 

[dayooper]

And do I understand the rules correctly that only bHC owners can book bHC rooms nine months out at certain (or all) bHC properties? Or are bHC and HGV owners on equal terms vying for bHC rooms at the nine-months-from-checkout date?

There is an extra season at the urban bHC resorts. They have home week (9-12 months), home resort season (60/75 days depending on resort to 9 months) and club season (1 day to 60/75 days). The home resort is where anybody who owns at that property can book. The Residences and W57th in NYC and The District in DC have the 60 day window while Central on 5th and The Quin have the 75 day club reservation windows.

This is just NYC and DC. The properties at Los Cabos and Charleston have the standard home week and club reservations.

 

[ernststarhemberg]

There is an extra season at the urban bHC resorts. They have home week (9-12 months), home resort season (60/75 days depending on resort to 9 months) and club season (1 day to 60/75 days). The home resort is where anybody who owns at that property can book. The Residences and W57th in NYC and The District in DC have the 60 day window while Central on 5th and The Quin have the 75 day club reservation windows.

This is just NYC and DC. The properties at Los Cabos and Charleston have the standard home week and club reservations.

I'm having trouble grasping the new lingo.

So for a non-urban bHC property with standard 'club season' booking, from 9 months to 60/75 days, only owners at that specific bHC property can book, and within 60/75 days, the booking opens up to bHC (and HGV) owners at all properties? Is that correct?

 

[Eric B]

There is an extra season at the urban bHC resorts. They have home week (9-12 months), home resort season (60/75 days depending on resort to 9 months) and club season (1 day to 60/75 days). The home resort is where anybody who owns at that property can book. The Residences and W57th in NYC and The District in DC have the 60 day window while Central on 5th and The Quin have the 75 day club reservation windows.

This is just NYC and DC. The properties at Los Cabos and Charleston have the standard home week and club reservations.

I'm having trouble grasping the new lingo.

So for a non-urban bHC property with standard 'club season' booking, from 9 months to 60/75 days, only owners at that specific bHC property can book, and within 60/75 days, the booking opens up to bHC (and HGV) owners at all properties? Is that correct?

For non-urban bHC properties with the standard club season booking, anyone can book them during the club season.

The Club Rules are your friend. The bHC windows are also a bit different than posted in this thread. For this year you can find the reservation windows here if you don't want to download them:

2023 HGVC, HCNY, HGV Max Club Rules and Fees

2023 HGVC, HCNY, HGV Max Club Rules and Fees (1) Hilton Grand Vacations Club (HGVC) 2023 Club Rules & Fees & Resorts Club Point Charts and Open Season Rates - Post #2 2022 and 2023 Fee Change Comparison - Post #3 2022 and 2023 Open Season Rate Change Comparison - Post #4 Hilton Grand Vacations...

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The bHC properties that are not specifically listed with separate reservation windows follow the catch all for all other HGVClub resorts.

Within the bHC resorts, some weeks were sold as fixed unit, fixed week ownerships. The Penthouses at The Quin were all sold that way. There are also some ownerships that have specific event weeks such as July 4th, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years. For the fixed unit, fixed week ones, the reservations are automatically made 2 calendar years in advance - I already have my reservation for 2025, which was made in early January 2023. If I don't want to use that unit that week, I can cancel it and use the points. I'm not sure how the event week ownerships work, but suspect the reservation is made similarly without a designated unit assigned in advance. Someone that owns one of those can chime in as to how they work.

 

[HuskerATL]

And do I understand the rules correctly that only bHC owners can book bHC rooms nine months out at certain (or all) bHC properties? Or are bHC and HGV owners on equal terms vying for bHC rooms at the nine-months-from-checkout date?

Look at the club rules and the table with booking windows or the TUG sticky on rules. There is a breakdown of booking windows. HGVC owners can't book W57th before 59 days before and the other NYC properties 89 days before. The exception is HCNY where non-owners can't book

 

[ernststarhemberg]

I've read the rules, just having trouble understanding the terminology and reconciling it with the intended appeal of a non-exclusive bHC deed. Non-exclusive bHC deeds come with more points, but it sounds like many don't have a home week advantage, and bHC owners at those non-exclusive resorts will have to compete directly with HGV owners using the same nine month booking window for bHC suites. Seems odd that they wouldn't have a carveout at all bHC properties to give bHC owners a little bit of a booking edge over HGV owners. Is the higher cost in points alone supposed to deter HGV owners from competing with bHC owners for bHC suites?

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I've read the rules, just having trouble understanding the terminology and reconciling it the intended appeal of a non-exclusive bHC deed. Non-exclusive bHC deeds come with more points, but it sounds like many don't have a home week advantage, and bHC owners at those non-exclusive resorts will have to compete directly with HGV owners using the same nine month booking window for bHC suites. Seems odd that they wouldn't have a carveout at all bHC properties to give bHC owners a little bit of a booking edge over HGV owners.

I agree that it is confusing. Perhaps the additional points are the benefit. I think the exclusive window is really nice and not having it devalues the product.

 

[HuskerATL]

Technically, HC owners, they did away with the "b", are also HGV owners. HGV is the umbrella company that HVC, HGVC, and HC are part of. @CalGalTraveler can provide her input. She owns in both HGVC and HC.