For enrolled weeks, what is the window to elect points?

[iftravel]

You get a lot more value out of exchanging a week on II- especially if you lock off and get 2 trips for one maintenance fee.
But points can be more convenient since you can book various days and views.
But there is also the problem of that flexibility making it harder to find full weeks with a shorter lead time, if you don’t plan a year ahead.
It really just depends on what you want and need and how much you want to pay to get it.

Also, when you were speaking about trading power in post 22- a silver week pulling a last minute 2BR HI- exchanging is often more about supply than trading power. All the trading power in the world can’t get you a unit that isn’t available. Best technique is to request 13/12 months with the highest TDI you can get.

Not to side track this thread, but the deal I am about to complete from Spain is buying a 2BDM Silver Week in Marbella for $10,600, which enrolls with 2225 MVC points, along with 1100 bonus points for use in 2026 and 2027. Maintenance fees appear to translate into .75 USD per point. The price per point is around $4.75. While we liked our recent stay in Marbella, we don't envision us going back unless through a Getaway or Accomodation Certificate trade in during shoulder season. We needed 1200 points to reach Executive Level and have been trying to get there but the resale market hasn't been working for us. If I pushed harder in hindsight, I think I could have negotiated more bonus points but we're generally pleased with this and the Marbella salesman was a straight-shooter.

yeah there are even better strategies but it's not such a bad idea to have an enrolled week so you can play with both worlds - considerating your effective cost is only 6-7k. I wish someone gets similar deals in US. For best results, I would go in with a strong resale week, and negociate for a retro deal along with your purchase.

 

[Norcal5]

Oh, cool, this is very intereting to know that you could elect points 2-3 years in advance. Do you have to prepay maintenance fees for doing that? Also for the Abound points you elected in 2025 for 2027 use year, can it be used immediately like in 2025, or have to be used in 2027 booking?

No prepayment is required. You can't book 2025 dates with them, but by Jan. 2, 2025 you are already able to book 2026 dates, which is what I do.

 

[chris5]

yeah there are even better strategies but it's not such a bad idea to have an enrolled week so you can play with both worlds - considerating your effective cost is only 6-7k. I wish someone gets similar deals in US. For best results, I would go in with a strong resale week, and negociate for a retro deal along with your purchase.

I didn't need a strong resale week since I seldom trade in II with our current week (or lock off) we have prior to obtaining this silver week). We've been using points almost exclusively the last 10 years though we've had an enrolled legacy week since Marriott first offered the points program. We value the added flexibility with points. But I must say, having seen the recent sighting here with a Grand Ocean July 4th, 2025 week available, it might change my strategy -- if we had deposited my lock-off legacy week I could have easily pulled that Grand Ocean but then again we already have vacation plans for that week.

 

[iftravel]

It is my understanding that no one cannot trade to Marriott resorts using points but since I wouldn't do it that way, it doesn't matter to me. I know it's possible to end up with a deposit with II by way of the points rather than strictly trading directly and I cannot answer the same question in that regard. Yes having enrolled weeks gives you potentially more options and likely lower fees but as I pointed out you don't have both options at a given moment. Resorts that are good for points are generally not reasonable as traders and vice versa. Grand Chateau might be the only exception I can think of.

How many points Grand Chateau gives if enrolled? Is 2-bed or 3-bed better in terms of MF/p

 

[bazzap]

How many points Grand Chateau gives if enrolled? Is 2-bed or 3-bed better in terms of MF/p

Our Grand Chateau 2 Bed gives 3,275 Points and our 2025 MFs were $1,576.24.
So that makes it $0.4813 per Point.
Our second best value after Phuket Beach Club.


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[iftravel]

Our Grand Chateau 2 Bed gives 3,275 Points and our 2025 MFs were $1,576.24.
So that makes it $0.4813 per Point.
Our second best value after Phuket Beach Club.


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Thanks. But Phuket belongs to Asia Pacific club, a different program?

 

[dioxide45]

Thanks. But Phuket belongs to Asia Pacific club, a different program?

Phuket weeks work the same as deeded mainland weeks. Owners were allowed to enroll them for a fee in the Destinations Club points program. There is a separate Asia Pacific points program. I am not sure if weeks owners were able to join that system. MVC sold points from AP that consisted of several resorts. Phuket weeks can be a good buy, but they don't lock off but are cheap enough compared to many of the US mainland lock offs that some consider them a good alternative to buying a US resort (MGC, MGV) for trading in II. I started a thread about it back in February. I don't think it gets talked about a lot because people like to keep it on the down-low.

Is Phuket Beach Club (PBC) a Viable Alternative to Owning a Lock Off for Exchanging?

Over in this post it was noted the annual fees for PBC are $1,100 US. They only have 2BR units, so no lock off at PBC. Annual fees at many of the US based timeshares most often mentioned for exchange (Grande Vista, Harbour Lake, Grand Chateau and Willow Ridge) are nearing $2,000 or in some cases...

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[iftravel]

Phuket weeks work the same as deeded mainland weeks. Owners were allowed to enroll them for a fee in the Destinations Club points program. There is a separate Asia Pacific points program. I am not sure if weeks owners were able to join that system. MVC sold points from AP that consisted of several resorts. Phuket weeks can be a good buy, but they don't lock off but are cheap enough compared to many of the US mainland lock offs that some consider them a good alternative to buying a US resort (MGC, MGV) for trading in II. I started a thread about it back in February. I don't think it gets talked about a lot because people like to keep it on the down-low.

Is Phuket Beach Club (PBC) a Viable Alternative to Owning a Lock Off for Exchanging?

Over in this post it was noted the annual fees for PBC are $1,100 US. They only have 2BR units, so no lock off at PBC. Annual fees at many of the US based timeshares most often mentioned for exchange (Grande Vista, Harbour Lake, Grand Chateau and Willow Ridge) are nearing $2,000 or in some cases...

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yeah also a bit harder to find them in resale. Do you know many points if enrolled?

 

[dioxide45]

yeah also a bit harder to find them in resale. Do you know many points if enrolled?

The number of points is posted in the thread I linked.

 

[iftravel]

The number of points is posted in the thread I linked.

Yeah at 0.34 pp it must be the most efficient points generator.

 

[dioxide45]

Yeah at 0.34 pp it must be the most efficient points generator.

About as good as trading with deeded weeks. I can get pretty close to that number by exchanging our weeks through II. If I look at our last complete year of exchanging weeks (2025), I got reservations through II that would have cost 10,750 in Club Points using weeks with maintenance fees of about $4000. It worked out to a little over $0.37pp.

 

[iftravel]

About as good as trading with deeded weeks. I can get pretty close to that number by exchanging our weeks through II. If I look at our last complete year of exchanging weeks (2025), I got reservations through II that would have cost 10,750 in Club Points using weeks with maintenance fees of about $4000. It worked out to a little over $0.37pp.

Yeah but the flexibility itself means even lower than 0.34 pp if enrolled and used wisely. For location and season costs less than 3200 points a week, elect points and book through Abound. For weeks way more than that like Hawaii, deposit and exchange week to week, thankful to its decent trading power.

BTW I like that there’s no exchange fee / eplus fees / cancellation fee for club point and enrolled weeks. Do you have to pay upsize fee for enrolled weeks?

 

[dioxide45]

Yeah but the flexibility itself means even lower than 0.34 pp if enrolled and used wisely. For location and season costs less than 3200 points a week, elect points and book through Abound. For weeks way more than that like Hawaii, deposit and exchange week to week, thankful to its decent trading power.

BTW I like that there’s no exchange fee / eplus fees / cancellation fee for club point and enrolled weeks. Do you have to pay upsize fee for enrolled weeks?

Unit size upgrade fees still apply unless you exchange inside of 60 days. Not sure if that will change to 30 days when II makes the changed to Flexchange.

 

[bazzap]

Thanks. But Phuket belongs to Asia Pacific club, a different program?

We get 3270 elected Abound points with our enrolled Phuket Beach Club Platinum weeks.
We were able to enrol both our MVC and Resale purchased PBC weeks, when the option first became available in 2016.
We didn’t have to pay again to do so, as we had already paid to enrol our US and Caribbean weeks in 2010.
Similarly we did not have to pay again when we enrolled our European weeks when that option became available in 2012.


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[bazzap]

Phuket weeks work the same as deeded mainland weeks. Owners were allowed to enroll them for a fee in the Destinations Club points program. There is a separate Asia Pacific points program. I am not sure if weeks owners were able to join that system. MVC sold points from AP that consisted of several resorts. Phuket weeks can be a good buy, but they don't lock off but are cheap enough compared to many of the US mainland lock offs that some consider them a good alternative to buying a US resort (MGC, MGV) for trading in II. I started a thread about it back in February. I don't think it gets talked about a lot because people like to keep it on the down-low.

Is Phuket Beach Club (PBC) a Viable Alternative to Owning a Lock Off for Exchanging?

Over in this post it was noted the annual fees for PBC are $1,100 US. They only have 2BR units, so no lock off at PBC. Annual fees at many of the US based timeshares most often mentioned for exchange (Grande Vista, Harbour Lake, Grand Chateau and Willow Ridge) are nearing $2,000 or in some cases...

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Phuket Beach Club was sold initially just as a weeks based resort, before the Asia Pacific points programme was introduced.
When it was, you couldn’t “enrol” those weeks as such, but you could pay to “overlay” them to be benefit from the AP points options.
MVC then conveyed all the unsold PBC inventory into the AP points programme.
Subsequently, many (most?) who did overlay their PBC weeks have chosen to enrol those weeks in the Abound points programme for the more extensive options.


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[dioxide45]

When it was, you couldn’t “enrol” those weeks as such, but you could pay to “overlay” them to be benefit from the AP points options.

What is the difference between paying to overlay them in AP vs enrolling? It kinds sounds like the same thing, just different terms. No?

 

[bazzap]

What is the difference between paying to overlay them in AP vs enrolling? It kinds sounds like the same thing, just different terms. No?

Overlaying was exclusively an option for Phuket Beach Club weeks owners to gain access to the Asia Pacific Points programme,
I can’t recall the cost, but if I find it I will post it.
Once it became possible though to enrol these weeks into the Abound Points Programme that became the better option for most if not all.
There doubtless are still some Owners with overlayed weeks, but as I recall if you wanted to benefit from Abound you had to cancel your overlay before being able to enrol, which many have done now.


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[iftravel]

Overlaying was exclusively an option for Phuket Beach Club weeks owners to gain access to the Asia Pacific Points programme,
I can’t recall the cost, but if I find it I will post it.
Once it became possible though to enrol these weeks into the Abound Points Programme that became the better option for most if not all.
There doubtless are still some Owners with overlayed weeks, but as I recall if you wanted to benefit from Abound you had to cancel your overlay before being able to enrol, which many have done now.


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I am a bit hesitant dealing with non-US properties. RTU is likely easiest ownership. Is PBC hard to deal with?

 

[bazzap]

I am a bit hesitant dealing with non-US properties. RTU is likely easiest ownership. Is PBC hard to deal with?

PBC is very easy for me to deal with, as a UK resident owner and we own many more RTU weeks than deeded weeks.
There are though also TUG members here who are US residents and own in PBC.
So perhaps they can best answer how easy that might be for you!


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[RookWDW]

Our Grand Chateau 2 Bed gives 3,275 Points and our 2025 MFs were $1,576.24.
So that makes it $0.4813 per Point.
Our second best value after Phuket Beach Club.


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Where do you find how many points a given week provides when enrolled?

 

[dioxide45]

Where do you find how many points a given week provides when enrolled?

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historical.vacationpointexchange.com

 

[iftravel]

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So the Platinum Plus PBC gets a whopping 6030 points for 1100 MF?!

 

[bazzap]

So the Platinum Plus PBC gets a whopping 6030 points for 1100 MF?!

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and the additional benefit with Phuket Beach Club is that there is no skim when booking with points, except for very few e.g. Christmas / New Year weeks.
So exceptionally in MVC when we elect for points that gives us the same points as we need to book the same weeks


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[iftravel]

and the additional benefit with Phuket Beach Club is that there is no skim when booking with points, except for very few e.g. Christmas / New Year weeks.
So exceptionally in MVC when we elect for points that gives us the same points as we need to book the same weeks


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Do you own a Platinum Plus week? Is it Platinum week + ability to book week 51/51 or it has to be fixed week 51/52?

 

[aka Julie]

Unit size upgrade fees still apply unless you exchange inside of 60 days. Not sure if that will change to 30 days when II makes the changed to Flexchange.

Is this confirmed yet for avoiding the upgrade fees? If so, when does the change take place from 60 to 30 days?