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Flexchange sharply restricted in March 2024 (along with ePlus changes)

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I am not asking for John and Jane public to figure this out.

II is in a different position than us. They know who they are selling GCs to for every one of those exchanges.

If they would bust some people doing this and seize their accounts, that would be a big disincentive against the scheme.

Let a bunch of people with Redweek bookings not get vacations they have booked, and Redweek might be your partner in checking new listings.

Have a go yourself to see if it is as easy as you think. Go to the TUG last minute rentals forum and go through to work out which listings you think might be II or RCI bookings. Once you do that then see if you can work out how to ID the user so it could be linked to an II account.
 
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There certainly is a chance there were 3BR units in Flexchange and I didn't see them, but my studio will definitely see 2BR's for Ko Olina, Waiohai and other Elite Marriotts. I have been tracking all the Hawaii weeks I've seen so I'm confident that the things I saw with my 1BR could be seen by my studio.

That said, the Flexchange dates we are seeing now are mostly for May which is fairly low season in Hawaii, if there were a bunch of July 4th weeks I don't know if that would be a different matter on what that studio would see.
I am quoting myself here to eat my words. It's not just a July 4th week that would not be seen by my studio...

Today there was a 2BR Ko Olina, 3 weeks out (June 8th) in Marriott preference. I could see it with my 1BR but not my studio. Even though I have seen Waiohai and Nanea and another Ko Olina 2BR during flexchange, apparently this June 8th week (135 TDI) is out of reach with my studio.
 

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I'm going to post some thoughts for what it's worth. These are admittedly anecdotal. The summary is:

I think that Interval is making a conscious effort to improve the exchange experience for the casual exchanger. Is this a bad thing? Well, if you've been arbitraging for years like many people have (myself included), yes. However, if you happen to have bought a Marriott week a decade ago and want to use it for a trade, it's a great thing.

Here are a few anecdotes:
RCI a while back moved to both a points / TPU model. This gave a lot more transparency into what was available for exchange. However, it is rigid. If you happen to have something that gets 30 TPU's and you want to make an exchange to get to 45 TPUs, you gotta pay fees to combine them, and it makes for a pretty poor experience.

I think what Interval has probably seen is that a small percentage of their customers ended up getting a disproportionate amount of "quality" exchanges without providing a commensurate level of value back in exchange. A few examples:

- Before Hyatt changed their points requirements, I sent my parents to Hawaii for multiple weeks in a row. Just one Hyatt week got me 5 weeks in Westin studios. I think somewhere along the line Interval decided that Hyatt wasn't returning enough value into the system and changed the rules (I think they swung a bit too far, but that's off topic for this).

- There's a woman on Facebook that charges hundreds of dollars for a webinar that recommends buying weeks with cheap maintenance fees (I think there's a resort in cocoa beach with studios) and using those within flexchange. She has had tremendous success, and I'm sure many people that have taken her advice to heart have seen great results.

- It was super common to trade in 1 bedroom SDO Gold+ weeks for weeks at Nanea.

In all of those examples, the person performing the trade is receiving SIGNIFICANTLY more value than what was given up. I loved it -- I took advantage of it all the time, but all of these great trades do come at the expense of people who don't know how to maximize their value.

While it does impact me, tons of tuggers, and it impacts a half dozen of my good friends and family that I got interested in timeshares / exchanging, I think overall it will create a more healthy balance. The people that understand how things work will always receive more value than what they put in.

However, I do think this will make it a lot easier for an owner that owns a gold week at Barony Beach club that signs into interval every few months to trade into a fall week at Ko Olina. I may dare say that we could see an increase in the quality deposits that interval receives.

I think we've already seen this play out. Previously when we'd see bulk 2 Bedroom deposits for Marriott resorts in Hawaii, they would sometimes be gone in a matter of hours or minutes.

There are 2 bedroom units at Marriott Maui Ocean Club (in the newer towers) that are STILL available more than a week after they were first deposited. I do realize that a lot of that does have to do with the situation in Lahaina -- but I do think a major factor is the adjustments that have been made to trade power.
 

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I know this isn't flexchange but we are noticing that our 2025 Orlando Marriott studios have a lot less trading power. It is odd though. We can't see 2BR units at the Marriotts in the desert (Palm Desert, Scottsdale) for late summer and early fall with the studio but we can see 3BR units at Lakeshore Reserve and even 2BR units at Frenchman's Cove with the same unit outside Flexchange.
 

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I know this isn't flexchange but we are noticing that our 2025 Orlando Marriott studios have a lot less trading power. It is odd though. We can't see 2BR units at the Marriotts in the desert (Palm Desert, Scottsdale) for late summer and early fall with the studio but we can see 3BR units at Lakeshore Reserve and even 2BR units at Frenchman's Cove with the same unit outside Flexchange.
I have been mapping what Hawaii weeks I see with my Marriott Grand Chateau studio and 1BR. I have all the TDI for each week listed and can see how sensitive it is to the TDI of the week you're trading into. Not only will I either be able to see something (or not) with a difference of a 5 TDI move (say going from a week with 130 TDI vs 135 TDI), if the check in date has a Stat holiday in it, sometimes I can't see it even though the other dates within that same week can. Seeing a 2BR with my studio side seems to be mostly for Flexchange and very low TDI weeks.
 

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Came across another week in Flexchange that my Grand Chateau studio could not see. A very high TDI week for June 22nd, but still, Marriott's Maui Ocean Club 2BR was seen by my 1BR SDO Gold Plus weeks, but not the MGC studio.
 

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Are people still experiencing issues with this? I noticed that the II Platinum Escapes today even included the Sheratons in Orlando.

I was curious if someone still doesn't see the Sheraton Orlando options in flexchange.
 
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Are people still experiencing issues with this? I noticed that the II Platinum Escapes today even included the Sheratons in Orlando.
You can get the Sheratons in Orlando using accom certs and the discounts for the plat escapes are the same or loss than when they run getaway sales.
 

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I am bumping an old topic. But I haven’t been paying attention last couple years.

Has anyone had experience putting their Ocean Landings studio in the rental pool to recoup maintenance fee?
 

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I am bumping an old topic. But I haven’t been paying attention last couple years.

Has anyone had experience putting their Ocean Landings studio in the rental pool to recoup maintenance fee?
What rental pool?

If you are talking about depositing it to II and then trying to get an exchange to rent out, thats not allowed under IIs terms and conditions
 

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Came across another week in Flexchange that my Grand Chateau studio could not see. A very high TDI week for June 22nd, but still, Marriott's Maui Ocean Club 2BR was seen by my 1BR SDO Gold Plus weeks, but not the MGC studio.

It sure sounds like studios do not pull like they used to - so they won't get upgraded and soak up 1br and 2br inventory. I also wonder if Grand Chateau is not pulling because of the amount of inventory in Vegas - which would make you think Orlando also would not pull as well.

The examples in this entire thead sound inconsistent - maybe my hypothesis could explain part of it.

I was thinking about getting a Marriott 2br lockoff to use for 2 exchanges - but it sounds like this does not work as well as it used to.
 

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What rental pool?

If you are talking about depositing it to II and then trying to get an exchange to rent out, thats not allowed under IIs terms and conditions
Rental pool is something unique to the property. Why did TUG become such a toxic place to post? Seems like every time I post here some Karen is offering a rude reply insinuating wrongdoing. What is wrong with you people?
 

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Rental pool is something unique to the property. Why did TUG become such a toxic place to post?
Apologies for your misunderstanding, this is a thread relating to II, so I requested clarification as I don't understand the term. Thanks for the information
 

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Apologies for your misunderstanding, this is a thread relating to II, so I requested clarification as I don't understand the term. Thanks for the information
Thanks. I posted in this thread because there was a lot of discussion about Ocean Landings. Many of have used OL as the rules allow. Yesterday I was accused of shilling for new supermarket in Kapolei. I wassimply trying to share info with members. Many I met in Koolina during Covid. I am a little on edge about this site.
 

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Thanks. I posted in this thread because there was a lot of discussion about Ocean Landings. Many of have used OL as the rules allow. Yesterday I was accused of shilling for new supermarket in Kapolei. I wassimply trying to share info with members. Many I met in Koolina during Covid. I am a little on edge about this site.
I do appreciate your post about the new supermarket in Kapolei. I will check it out on my next trip to Ko Olina.
 

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Thanks. I posted in this thread because there was a lot of discussion about Ocean Landings. Many of have used OL as the rules allow. Yesterday I was accused of shilling for new supermarket in Kapolei. I wassimply trying to share info with members. Many I met in Koolina during Covid. I am a little on edge about this site.
To be fair, from a technical perspective, you were shilling for the supermarket since you were affiliated. It fits the definition to a tee; In online discussion media, shills make posts expressing opinions that further interests of an organization in which they have a vested interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group, while posing as unrelated innocent parties.

That said, I did find the information useful but the forum does have stated rules about advertising.

I saw nothing of @Hindsite post that was "toxic". Just asking a question since your post seemed off topic. I woudl suspect OL has a Facebook group you could ask the question in. There is also an All Other Timeshare Systems forum that you could ask about OL in, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of OL conversation happening here.
 

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To be fair, from a technical perspective, you were shilling for the supermarket since you were affiliated. It fits the definition to a tee; In online discussion media, shills make posts expressing opinions that further interests of an organization in which they have a vested interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group, while posing as unrelated innocent parties.

That said, I did find the information useful but the forum does have stated rules about advertising.

I saw nothing of @Hindsite post that was "toxic". Just asking a question since your post seemed off topic. I woudl suspect OL has a Facebook group you could ask the question in. There is also an All Other Timeshare Systems forum that you could ask about OL in, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of OL conversation happening here.
Do you know for a fact that Kapolei is affiliated with the supermarket?
 

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Do you know for a fact that Kapolei is affiliated with the supermarket?
This is usually when I get banned from a forum. Someone refuses to retract their false claim. Then the moderator makes the victim the perpetrator in favor of an old timer. There will be no retraction here. I know how these games are played.
 

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I can count on one or two hands how many people have been banned from TUG with fingers leftover.

if you get banned, not only did you deserve it....you ignored multiple warnings to correct your behavior in the process and simply continued on thinking the rules dont apply.

its pretty simple, act like an adult and be courteous. if that is too much to ask google says there are more than 100 Billion pages on the internet to choose from that might have less stringent rules.
 

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If this happens to you often, maybe the problem isn't all of those forums.
Every person whos ever been banned from TUG always felt they did nothing wrong and or didnt deserve it.
 

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I can count on one or two hands how many people have been banned from TUG with fingers leftover.

if you get banned, not only did you deserve it....you ignored multiple warnings to correct your behavior in the process and simply continued on thinking the rules dont apply.

its pretty simple, act like an adult and be courteous. if that is too much to ask google says there are more than 100 Billion pages on the internet to choose from that might have less stringent rules.
That’s fine. But maybe some common sense can be applied to a post. There is a new supermarket with food court that is actually getting a lot of attention in the area with locals(thousands are there this weekend). Just letting forum readers know. To think the post here would be a meaningful benefit their business is absurd. We are talking about a handful of readers.
 
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have no idea what post you are referring to and none has reported it, so it cant be too big of a deal.

however the response you gave above was certainly over the line of what any reasonable person would consider "being courteous".
 
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