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If one was to requal in Spain for Marbella, what is the best resale to own for best Abound and MF value to requal? Also how many resales is optimal?
 

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If one was to requal in Spain for Marbella, what is the best resale to own for best Abound and MF value to requal? Also how many resales is optimal?

Of the usual traders Grand Chateau is among the best for enrolling. It has lower fees than most weeks but also higher points values. And the 51 week platinum season is useful for making consecutive/concurrent reservations at other resorts as well.
 

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If one was to requal in Spain for Marbella, what is the best resale to own for best Abound and MF value to requal? Also how many resales is optimal?

"best" and "optimal" are very relative terms.

There will always be tradeoffs between the point value of the week and upfront cost. And upfront costs vs. MFs.

Event weeks are probably best in my opinion because of the higher point values and lower MFs per point. For example, NCV Platinum is 3475 points but NCV week 26 is 5300 points and NCV week 52 is 4625 points for the same MFs. Those weeks will cost more than a regular Platinum upfront even on a per point basis (week 26 may cost more than double, week 52 maybe 50% more) but (i) the upfront cost is "equity" and if you sell those deeded weeks down the line you can expect to get a premium as well, (ii) the extra upfront cost comes with no incremental MFs, and (iii) the rental value of those extra points you get each year justifies the extra cost upfront pretty fast (in 5-7 years).

I imagine week 51 or 52 at MGC (mentioned in the prior post) has similar attributes as do other "event" weeks at a variety of resorts in Abound.

As for "optimal" - you want to take a look at specific offers and calculate cost per point and MF/point for all the weeks involved, including resales. In the past we had an offer to enroll 2 weeks for $ and "up to 7 weeks for $$ (about double the amount). But paying double in that case would not have been equivalent to buying the seem deed twice but rather buying a "better" week for no incremental MFs (e.g. Platinum vs Gold) which is better IMO. In that case, 7 would have been "optimal" but we only had 3 resales in our back pocket at the time... The more resale weeks you can enroll, the more you can reduce the cost per point and MF/point if those resale weeks are high point values like event weeks.
 
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Are Abound points really an asset at this point? The maintenance fees on them (not the converted weeks, the abound points bought by themselves) are so high I just can’t make the math work versus even paying cash prices on Marriott’s cash-side every time I consider them.

Edit: Never mind, I realize you are talking about purchasing a deeded week.
I saw your edit but feel it still worthwhile to answer the question with a deeded or RTU week involved as well.

I would add that there are several ways to look at this. First, it assumes I could afford it. To me the points have real value because I can and will use them to their advantage. Specifically to extend stays for weeks I own, exchanges plus to do shorter stays where other options don't work well. Then the enrollment itself has potential value. Some of the value is not necessarily monetary. For example, even if I could break even financially by just renting points, having more control and the ability to bank/borrow has value to me but it. might not to someone else.

The bulk of my usage is for a large family trip to MGO usually week 26 but can be 25 or 27 some years. I owned 10 weeks and usually get up to 16 weeks total using points. I have pending exchange requests and if they come through outside the 60 day window, I then cancel points reservations accordingly and kick the usage for those points down the road. If I get an exchange inside 60 days I judge whether it's worth having extra room or holding account points. I have investigated enrolling my additional weeks several times over the past 2 years looking at the per point cost and total cost up front as well as the fees (comparing to what I already own AND to the fees on Trust Points).

My thoughts at present is that the current offers for Spain are the best available, but they are not sufficient for me to proceed given my situation. My ultimate decision was to buy another MGO week which just cleared ROFR yesterday. I'd use points instead for this week and this will free up roughly 4700 points per year on average (4500-4925)
 

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If one was to requal in Spain for Marbella, what is the best resale to own for best Abound and MF value to requal? Also how many resales is optimal?
Not trying to sound smart of flippant but I think it's getting the points one needs/wants at a good price with low fees. For me that's mainly getting the enrollment as cheaply as possible but still keeping in mine the points and fees per point involved on the purchase component.
 

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I wonder if a 1 bedroom platinum would fulfill the minimum spend.
We bought a 1 Br Gold Marbella week for £11,800 (now ~$15,500, less last year when we bought), with MF €1,292.76 (~$1,400) electing for 2,225 points in order to enrol our Resale Gold 3 Br Club Son Antem week electing for 3,625 points.
 

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We bought a 1 Br Gold Marbella week for £11,800 (now ~$15,500, less last year when we bought), with MF €1,292.76 (~$1,400) electing for 2,225 points in order to enrol our Resale Gold 3 Br Club Son Antem week electing for 3,625 points.
I guess that will not fulfill the minimum spend for enrolling 3 weeks. But maybe a platinum might as I just realized you bought a gold week.
 

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I guess that will not fulfill the minimum spend for enrolling 3 weeks. But maybe a platinum might as I just realized you bought a gold week.
It would not when we discussed enrollment recently. Even three 1 BR Gold would not have enrolled 3 weeks. The other problem was that the price PP for the Platinum weeks we did discuss (2BR) was significantly more than the Gold weeks, roughly 50% more PP.
 

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It would not when we discussed enrollment recently. Even three 1 BR Gold would not have enrolled 3 weeks. The other problem was that the price PP for the Platinum weeks we did discuss (2BR) was significantly more than the Gold weeks, roughly 50% more PP.
Wow I guess we will just sit tight and keep waiting but it’s good to have all this data .i wonder what the price is for platinum 1 bedroom
 

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Wow I guess we will just sit tight and keep waiting but it’s good to have all this data .i wonder what the price is for platinum 1 bedroom
Our sales presentation at Club Son Antem was postponed yesterday, as the Salesman phoned in ill.
It is rescheduled for next Tuesday, so I will ask.
We still have 3x ineligible 2 BR Gold Club Son Antem weeks, which I would consider enrolling for a very low cost, although it is not a priority issue for us as we always use these for home resort stays.
I will ask what purchase would qualify them though, especially with 1BR Gold / Platinum Marbella weeks.
 
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Wow I guess we will just sit tight and keep waiting but it’s good to have all this data .i wonder what the price is for platinum 1 bedroom
Making assumptions from the Platinum data I do have, I'm guessing a 1 BR Platinum to be in the range of $22-23K and I think you're looking at around $41K to enroll 3 weeks from the info I've seen. It'll be interesting to see what Barry is told in person.
 

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Keep in mind the minimum spend is still in place. MVC MIGHT compromise on that but I think it's unlikely they will anytime soon.
 

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Our sales presentation at Club Son Antem was postponed yesterday, as the Salesman phoned in ill.
It is rescheduled for next Tuesday, so I will ask.
We still have 3x ineligible 2 BR Gold Club Son Antem weeks, which I would consider enrolling for a very low cost, although it is not a priority issue for us as we always use these for home resort stays.
I will ask what purchase would qualify them though, especially with 1BR Gold / Platinum Marbella weeks.
Thanks would appreciate this infor.
 

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Making assumptions from the Platinum data I do have, I'm guessing a 1 BR Platinum to be in the range of $22-23K and I think you're looking at around $41K to enroll 3 weeks from the info I've seen. It'll be interesting to see what Barry is told in person.
funny thing is I am not interested in going to Marbella during platinum season. Maybe the 1st week and connect it to my gold andulaza weeks. I was thinking of the cost of MF for 1 bedroom platinum vs 2 gold which is what I would need it seems to meet the spend requirement . I plan on using the week I purchase . Hence Spain or Aruba.
 

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Keep in mind the minimum spend is still in place. MVC MIGHT compromise on that but I think it's unlikely they will anytime soon.
I am in no rush so will keep telling them what I want and how much I am will to spend to do it.
 

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funny thing is I am not interested in going to Marbella during platinum season. Maybe the 1st week and connect it to my gold andulaza weeks. I was thinking of the cost of MF for 1 bedroom platinum vs 2 gold which is what I would need it seems to meet the spend requirement . I plan on using the week I purchase . Hence Spain or Aruba.
Then enrolling with Gold weeks might be a better choice even with the higher maintenance fees but it depends on how you'd use them and how easy it would be to get exchanges otherwise.
I am in no rush so will keep telling them what I want and how much I am will to spend to do it.
I'm in a similar situation. With the NOW 3.5 weeks I have that are not enrolled, only 1.5 would be overly helpful if they were. My main benefit there would be about $1300 every 2 years. I'd want return of principle within 7 years for the additional benefit or around $5000 max to be assigned as the enrollment cost. The rest would have to make sense from a purchase standpoint. I doubt it ever will unless there is an absolutely dramatic system change which I do not expect.
 

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I got in touch with one the sales folks in Spain and I was told 9/30 is the last day Marriott will be giving out enrollment offers.
 

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I got in touch with one the sales folks in Spain and I was told 9/30 is the last day Marriott will be giving out enrollment offers.
That is c/w the info I've been given previously and with past years programs. Normally they run the program around 6 months. It usually stars officially in April but it seems to be a little variable and I've seen them start a couple of weeks earlier than announced several times. If you come to an agreement it doesn't have to be done by the cutoff, only proceeding is my past information.
 

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That is c/w the info I've been given previously and with past years programs. Normally they run the program around 6 months. It usually stars officially in April but it seems to be a little variable and I've seen them start a couple of weeks earlier than announced several times. If you come to an agreement it doesn't have to be done by the cutoff, only proceeding is my past information.
So then it’s 6 months for that year and resumes the next year. Not that it ends on 9/30 and will not come back next year.
 

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I got an offer for $36,000 gold holiday week at iSon Antem to enroll 4 weeks and 330,000 bonvoy points. 2 weeks for $54,000 and 500,000 bonvoy points.
 

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So then it’s 6 months for that year and resumes the next year. Not that it ends on 9/30 and will not come back next year.
No guarantee it'll be there next year and if it is, that it'll be roughly the same.
 

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No guarantee it'll be there next year and if it is, that it'll be roughly the same.
Ok this was the last offer I got so maybe this will not be available .
2 week’s gold holiday Mallorca for -$35,800 and enroll 3 not 4weeks plus 500,000 bonvoy points
 

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OK, so we had our postponed Sales Presentation at Club Son Antem this morning.
No mention of enrolment offers ending.
Enrolment is now volume based, so for 3 weeks requires a spend of £28,150 or ~$37,650 and comes with 500K Bonvoy points.
There were various permutations of European weeks sales which could achieve this, including just 1x Platinum Club Son Antem week or 2x any other European MVC resort weeks.
 

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OK, so we had our postponed Sales Presentation at Club Son Antem this morning.
No mention of enrolment offers ending.
Enrolment is now volume based, so for 3 weeks requires a spend of £28,150 or ~$37,650 and comes with 500K Bonvoy points.
There were various permutations of European weeks sales which could achieve this, including just 1x Platinum Club Son Antem week or 2x any other European MVC resort weeks.
Barry, was there mention of the price of the 1 BR Platinum week?
 

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Barry, was there mention of the price of the 1 BR Platinum week?
No, to be honest we only discussed Platinum weeks for Club Son Antem where they don’t have 1 BR.
Even the 1BR Gold for Marbella though, which at first they said was sold out is now £18,700 or approx $25,000 with no discounts (we paid £11,800 or approx $15,780 last year) and Marbella is like for like more expensive than Club Son Antem.
 
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