End of Year Housekeeping

[cbyrne1174]

Anyone please feel welcome to add more input on this.
I maybe wrong but It may not be a benefit as many believe. View attachment 15916

The directory is only 326 pages. This is the only mention on page 240. It says "VIP status" not "VIP benefits".

 

[Jan M.]

The directory is only 326 pages. This is the only mention on page 240. It says "VIP status" not "VIP benefits".

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Look at the bottom of page 242 with the chart that lists the VIP benefits and read the small print at the bottom. It says "Eligible points are points associated with ownership interests purchased directly Wyndham Vacation Resorts or it's affiliates, Bonus Points and PIC Points. (see Eligibility Requirements above)."

There used to be a sheet that owners signed when they bought that covered this. Way back in the day. lol.

 

[cbyrne1174]

That's just for determining the number of GC's that they get. No where in the current directory does it state that only eligible points count towards VIP discounts. In my opinion they should if their goal is to eliminate megarenters. I don't think very many VIPP owners legitimately use over 1,000,000 points without doing any side rentals.

 

[Eric B]

@cbyrne1174, if you're really interested in WM, it seems like a good time to pick up a small account. I started looking at that system a few months ago and came to similar conclusions to yours, plus it's possible to book some nice II resorts through WM with the credits you own or by using an RCI-only resort through Exchange Plus. Just picked up a couple of small accounts while the costs are at a seasonal low (making this an end of year housekeeping item and therefore on topic), one off eBay and one from Timeshare Nation. Overall, the credits in the accounts have more value than my cost to obtain them and they add some flexibility to my timeshares as I ready for retirement in a few years.

I do believe that the WM accommodations at shared resorts are not the same as the CW ones, but am not entirely sure it makes much difference. For example, in Austin, the WM ones are on floors 7-9 while the CW ones are on the higher floors (1-6 are parking and lobby). I haven't stayed in the WM ones yet, so I don't have a good 1-to-1 comparison, and I'm sure the differences elsewhere are in other aspects as well, but haven't seen any good summaries.

 

[Jan M.]

That's just for determining the number of GC's that they get. No where in the current directory does it state that only eligible points count towards VIP discounts. In my opinion they should if their goal is to eliminate megarenters. I don't think very many VIPP owners legitimately use over 1,000,000 points without doing any side rentals.

What Dominic posted and I seconded not being spelled out in the current directory is an oversight. This is from pages 330 and 331 of the previous directory dated 2013-2014. And I believe it was in every directory we've had over the past 18 years which is why I'm calling not having it in the current directory an oversight.

 

[ausman]

With respect to VIP benefits and eligibility of resale points there is a point being missed that particularly applies to those who rent reservations.

That is a provision that I have never heard of being enforced but is stated most recently in page 240 of the
2018-2019 directory. " Guests travelling without a Club Wyndham Plus Vip member present are not eligible to receive VIP benefits during their stay".

It would seem VIP point discounts and unit upgrades for those on guest certificates are at risk, absent the VIP owner at checkin.

 

[Eric B]

With respect to VIP benefits and eligibility of resale points there is a point being missed that particularly applies to those who rent reservations.

That is a provision that I have never heard of being enforced but is stated most recently in page 240 of the
2018-2019 directory. " Guests travelling without a Club Wyndham Plus Vip member present are not eligible to receive VIP benefits during their stay".

It would seem VIP point discounts and unit upgrades for those on guest certificates are at risk, absent the VIP owner at checkin.

There's a difference between VIP booking benefits and benefits for VIPs during a stay. A renter who is a VIP would have already received the discount/upgrade as part of the booking benefits before it would be necessary to get a guest certificate. It's not well articulated, but the benefits a guest without a VIP present would miss out on would be things associated with the stay (e.g., the mid-week tidy, daily newspaper, that they are so good about providing VIPs).

 

[SNA27]

There's a difference between VIP booking benefits and benefits for VIPs during a stay. A renter who is a VIP would have already received the discount/upgrade as part of the booking benefits before it would be necessary to get a guest certificate. It's not well articulated, but the benefits a guest without a VIP present would miss out on would be things associated with the stay (e.g., the mid-week tidy, daily newspaper, that they are so good about providing VIPs).

I was always confused about this. If I were to book a reservation with GC and OPT-IN for an upgrade, will the VIP-upgrade be granted?
Or should I just book in my name and wait for it to be upgraded before I transfer it to the guest?

 

[SNA27]

Well, what do you know! I have 45 GCs! Wyndham god giveth and I pray he doth not taketh away!

 

[Sandi Bo]

I was always confused about this. If I were to book a reservation with GC and OPT-IN for an upgrade, will the VIP-upgrade be granted?
Or should I just book in my name and wait for it to be upgraded before I transfer it to the guest?

That is a really good point and something I'll pay closer attention to. I don't see many upgrades, few and far between. I'll start paying closer attention to if there could be a difference in if there's a GC on the reservation or not. I didn't think it mattered, but maybe it does. The upgrade process is truly a black box - impossible to tell how it truly works, when it works, if it works. There are for sure times it hasn't worked when it should (upgrade is there but never happens). I have one in an owners name right now (Steamboat not that it matters). Sitting there as a 1 Bedroom that should go to a 3 BR Pres but it doesn't. I can call (but not 100% it's going to get used and just haven't mustered up the motivation to call and spend the hour it'll take to make it happen).

 

[Sandi Bo]

How did you manage to use up 30 GCs? Through rentals or family who are not members?

Looks like there is no point in making guest reservations now if I have to change the name later! Might as well let the remaining 20 GCs burn! Unless someone else has a great idea!

Well they helped you understand how the GC's are used/counted, FWIW. I burned too many along the way and use mine extremely carefully. Yes, mine are used primarily for rentals but also for family or friends.

And correct, no point in adding them if you know for sure you'll have to change the name later. Unless you are booking overlapping reservations and have more reservations booked than you have owners on your account.

 

[Sandi Bo]

As far as VIP benefits mixing with resale, I thought I'd seen numbers that a lot of VIPs do this. No doubt here that Wyndham is fully aware of how it works and it is working as Wyndham wants it to. As with most things with Wyndham, it can change at any time and no one should be surprised if it does. I contend Wyndham needs it as part of the eco system. Can you imagine what resale prices would drop to if VIPs unloaded their resale contracts? Resale only buyers would have a feast. I say it works the way it does because Wyndham needs the maintenance fees paid and to some degree perhaps keeps the resale market prices up - surely something Wyndham should want to do.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Well, what do you know! I have 45 GCs! Wyndham god giveth and I pray he doth not taketh away!

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Your account looks weird. Why does it say your use year is 2 years long? Is that how it looks when you extend your points? Also you may have 45 GCs because they could have implemented a different number of GCs for founders level since it's getting released this year. That would be my guess vs. GCs getting carried over. Maybe ask another VIP that has more than 1.4mil but less than 2mil and see if they were awarded 45 as well.

 

[Eric B]

Your account looks weird. Why does it say your use year is 2 years long? Is that how it looks when you extend your points? Also you may have 45 GCs because they could have implemented a different number of GCs for founders level since it's getting released this year. That would be my guess vs. GCs getting carried over. Maybe ask another VIP that has more than 1.4mil but less than 2mil and see if they were awarded 45 as well.

@SNA27 has a bonus contract(s) they gave him with a resale purchase. Bonus contracts are good for two years. That just happened to be the one he had selected on the site.

They give 15 HRs per 1M points are parts of 1M points owned, and bonus contracts count. He likely has credit for over 2M points right now, so will be down to 30 GCs once the bonus contracts expire, IIRC how much he said he owned.

 

[SNA27]

I think GC is an ill-understood feature. The directory only says you will be awarded X GCs per year. There's is no mention of what they do with the residual GCs from the prior year. I suspect they carry some of it over. I didn't use any in 2017, just 6 in 2018 and 18 in 2019. And I had 24 left over before I burnt some on an experiment and errors! So, I must have had 45 in 2019 too. Never checked it!

GC is a great marketing tool. They want VIPP to send their friends over so the sales weasels can get a bite at them! It's cheaper than sending out people on the streets or Casinos of Las Vegas looking to round up 'marks'! What better 'marks' can you get than friends of a VIPP? Unfortunately for Wyndham, the well-heeled go where they want to go, when they want to go on their own terms and have no time to mess around with TS! Money is King without expiration date as @Fredflintstone rightly said!

 

[SNA27]

I get a lot of emails from Wyndham asking me to refer friends and offering deals to bring friends for a great vacation. But for mega-renters, they would offer unlimited GCs to VIPP. One of my guests said that the sales guy told her that I will get rewards for sending guests. I never got any. Maybe, it's just weaselspeak!

 

[Sandi Bo]

I get a lot of emails from Wyndham asking me to refer friends and offering deals to bring friends for a great vacation. But for mega-renters, they would offer unlimited GCs to VIPP. One of my guests said that the sales guy told her that I will get rewards for sending guests. I never got any. Maybe, it's just weaselspeak!

I have never gotten anything for someone going on a tour. I let people know in advance I will not (regardless of what they are told) and to please not do it for me.

One time a friend had bugs in their unit and they were told I would receive a credit. They were little mites of some sort in the kitchen. Not a huge deal, but something they notified the resort about. They were happy to think I'd receive some sort of credit - it didn't happen.

 

[SNA27]

The bottom line, we don't really know the why and what for of the GCs we receive! I think Wyndham marketing has a lot of say in who gets how many GCs! They know a lot about us from our interaction with them than we give them credit for! Very sobering but very smart, if you think about it! It makes me want to buy some of their stock! @Fredflintstone has done well with it!

 

[Sandi Bo]

The bottom line, we don't really know the why and what for of the GCs we receive! I think Wyndham marketing has a lot of say in who gets how many GCs! They know a lot about us from our interaction with them than we give them credit for! Very sobering but very smart, if you think about it! It makes me want to buy some of their stock! @Fredflintstone has done well with it!

Oh, I think we do. It's 15 per million points or fraction thereof. If you are receiving more, do you have bonus points or something? Something putting you over 2M points (thus earning 45). I'm sure you lost your 2019 and got a new allotment of 45 for 2020.

How many total points do you have, including your PICS? There were times during resale purchase that GCs were transferred, too. I have not heard about that happening in a really long time. Since your 45 is a 1/1 number, my guess is you have bonus points if you have under 2M points.

 

[SNA27]

Nope! The picture above is my 2020 points, There is no way to explain my 45 GCs without a rollover! I think it's not as cut and dried as the rules you laid out! I have 1.425M total and the Smoky mountains 84k hasn't even shown up! It's still in clerical error hell as I have described in another thread!
I think they roll over 15 GCs max! Only way to explain my 2019 allotment and the 2020 allotment! You probably never encountered it because you use up all your GCs!

 

[Eric B]

Nope! The picture above is my 2020 points, There is no way to explain my 45 GCs without a rollover! I think it's not as cut and dried as the rules you laid out! I have 1.425M total and the Smoky mountains 84k hasn't even shown up! It's still in clerical error hell as I have described in another thread!
I think they roll over 15 GCs max! Only way to explain my 2019 allotment and the 2020 allotment! You probably never encountered it because you use up all your GCs!

Actually, your 2020 points that are eligible for VIP status include the bonus contract of 224K you showed in the post quoted below, plus any other bonus contracts you have that are active and any PICs whether or not you obtained the points for them.

Well, what do you know! I have 45 GCs! Wyndham god giveth and I pray he doth not taketh away!

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GCs don’t carry over from year to year. It’s possible that it’s a software issue, but unlikely. The screenshots you posted don’t add up to 1.425M or account for what would be eligible, so I am leaning towards it being eligible points over 2M. I wouldn’t count on any more than 30 GCs next year unless you pay the $99.

 

[Pathways]

I think GC is an ill-understood feature.

The bottom line, we don't really know the why and what for of the GCs we receive! I think Wyndham marketing has a lot of say in who gets how many GCs!

Others have explained in detail how the GC allotment works, so I won't beat a dead hxxxx. I will just fifth or sixth the motion that it is working as expected. It worked properly for me. No GC's were carried over, and I received the exact amount I expected.

Of course, there can always be 'glitches' in the system, or maybe some ne'er-do-well from Wyn is having fun with you.

Bottom line, we do know how it works, and for all of the rest of us (small sample size here) it is working properly.

 

[SNA27]

Well, even Bonus contracts don't explain it! Only Wyndham god knows! Fine with me!

 

[Eric B]

I think GC is an ill-understood feature. The directory only says you will be awarded X GCs per year. There's is no mention of what they do with the residual GCs from the prior year. I suspect they carry some of it over. I didn't use any in 2017, just 6 in 2018 and 18 in 2019. And I had 24 left over before I burnt some on an experiment and errors! So, I must have had 45 in 2019 too. Never checked it!

GC is a great marketing tool. They want VIPP to send their friends over so the sales weasels can get a bite at them! It's cheaper than sending out people on the streets or Casinos of Las Vegas looking to round up 'marks'! What better 'marks' can you get than friends of a VIPP? Unfortunately for Wyndham, the well-heeled go where they want to go, when they want to go on their own terms and have no time to mess around with TS! Money is King without expiration date as @Fredflintstone rightly said!


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That's odd; the screen shot from this post shows a use year 2020 total of 1,087,000 points, which doesn't add up with the spreadsheet you included in the last one; that one would have 1,225,000 points plus 508,000 PIC points for a total of 1,733,000 VIP eligible points. Unless you did something like actually PIC or PDF some points, the total use year points should add up to what you're contract provides, but this seems off by 138,000 points on the low side. The other possibility is that they haven't straightened out a PIC change or something like that; my account shows three PICs right now, but I opted out of one in July to switch it for a different TS. If it's something like that, and they have wrongly credited you with VIP eligible points, there's a possibility that they would later take back the 15 free GCs and charge you $99 each if you've already used them. I would watch out for that this year.