E-Plus questions

[m61376]

I am not sure how easy it will be use next fall or winter (if you mean fall/winter 2024). If you use an Eplus retrade to retrade out as far as you can right now, which would be August 2023, then you can cancel the exchange and take a Cancellation Replacement week. You would want to do this before you get into the 60 day window, which would be sometime in June. The problem here is that your cancellation replacement expires one year from the date you cancel it. It would thus expire in June 2024. I beleive that the cancellation replacement loses the exchange fee discount when trading Marriott to Marriott/Vistana. So you might need to pay the full exchange fee when you make an exchange with the cancellation replacement week. I do beleive however that when you make an exchange with the cancellation replacement week that you can add ePlus again to possibly get your expiration all the way out to sometime in 2025.

Would the cancellation week then retain Marriott priority, even though I'd lose the exchange fee discount? And the 2BR size benefit? Thanks for all your input- as usual, you're such a great resource!

 

[CPNY]

You can only add eplus within 5 days of making an exchange. You can look for manual exchanges online, you don't have to call. If you are within 59 days from check in the eplus will only allow you to move the reservation a max of 60 days forward (from the day of the currently reserved check in) when you use the eplus. If you cancel the reservation completely (and are inside of 60 days) you would get a flexchange (good only within 59 days of current date) that you can use over the next year. Travel completed by one year from the day you get the replacement week).

I have an exchange to HRA for 4/22. I’m probably not going since I have 8 nights booked in May at WSJ and a 2 week Euro trip in July. I added E-Plus when I made the exchange. I need a strategy to get the most out of this Eplus

I have a few questions:
Should I cancel the exchange and get a flexchange? Would that change my trade power and will I still receive Marriott/Vistana preference with my original unit being used?

Is it best to make an exchange to a resort as far out as i can now (December 2023) that I know I’m not going to and then make another exchange when I see something in 2024 that I will use?

If I do reserve something as far out as I can now, will it affect my 4/22/2024 expiration date or will I receive a new date of 12/2024?

 

[dioxide45]

Would the cancellation week then retain Marriott priority, even though I'd lose the exchange fee discount? And the 2BR size benefit? Thanks for all your input- as usual, you're such a great resource!

I beleive when you cancel and take a cancellation replacement, the cancellation replacement deposit is for the size of the unit you are currently exchanged into, not the original deposit. I do beleive the Marriott to Marriott/Vistana priority is retained on the cancellation replacement, just the exchange fee discount is lost. Full exchange fee of $229 would apply.

 

[dioxide45]

I have an exchange to HRA for 4/22. I’m probably not going since I have 8 nights booked in May at WSJ and a 2 week Euro trip in July. I added E-Plus when I made the exchange. I need a strategy to get the most out of this Eplus

I have a few questions:
Should I cancel the exchange and get a flexchange? Would that change my trade power and will I still receive Marriott/Vistana preference with my original unit being used?

Is it best to make an exchange to a resort as far out as i can now (December 2023) that I know I’m not going to and then make another exchange when I see something in 2024 that I will use?

If I do reserve something as far out as I can now, will it affect my 4/22/2024 expiration date or will I receive a new date of 12/2024?

First thing you would want to do is use your first Eplus retrade to retrade out as far as possible. That should be sometime in early 2024. Make sure you do this prior to getting inside the 60 day window of checkin. This can be any resort. You can use your second Eplus retrade to get what you actually want.

No need to cancel your current exchange. Don't do that unless you have exhausted all your Eplus retrades.

Your EPlus expiration never changes, it will retain the 4/22/2024 expiration.

 

[CPNY]

First thing you would want to do is use your first Eplus retrade to retrade out as far as possible. That should be sometime in early 2024. Make sure you do this prior to getting inside the 60 day window of checkin. This can be any resort. You can use your second Eplus retrade to get what you actually want.

No need to cancel your current exchange. Don't do that unless you have exhausted all your Eplus retrades.

Your EPlus expiration never changes, it will retain the 4/22/2024 expiration.

Perfect, I’ll make sure to make that change now

 

[CPNY]

First thing you would want to do is use your first Eplus retrade to retrade out as far as possible. That should be sometime in early 2024. Make sure you do this prior to getting inside the 60 day window of checkin. This can be any resort. You can use your second Eplus retrade to get what you actually want.

No need to cancel your current exchange. Don't do that unless you have exhausted all your Eplus retrades.

Your EPlus expiration never changes, it will retain the 4/22/2024 expiration.

Booked WLR for thanksgiving week. I’ll know by then if I’m going to WLR or moving it to a week in April 2024. Thanks for the info

 

[m61376]

I beleive when you cancel and take a cancellation replacement, the cancellation replacement deposit is for the size of the unit you are currently exchanged into, not the original deposit. I do beleive the Marriott to Marriott/Vistana priority is retained on the cancellation replacement, just the exchange fee discount is lost. Full exchange fee of $229 would apply.

Thanks so much! I actually just spoke to Mark to make sure. The cancellation replacement week is for the size of the original Marriott deposit, not the Eplus retrade size, and the original Marriott priority applies. He wasn't sure whether or not the exchange fee for the regrade would apply or the free Marriott or Vistana retrade would be in effect.

 

[dioxide45]

Thanks so much! I actually just spoke to Mark to make sure. The cancellation replacement week is for the size of the original Marriott deposit, not the Eplus retrade size, and the original Marriott priority applies. He wasn't sure whether or not the exchange fee for the regrade would apply or the free Marriott or Vistana retrade would be in effect.

Mark is great, but I think he may be off the mark here. Pun intended Perhaps @tschwa2 can confirm some of the information.

 

[tschwa2]

Mark is great, but I think he may be off the mark here. Pun intended Perhaps @tschwa2 can confirm some of the information.

I have been assured many times that marriott priority remains as does the original exchange power give or take. I feel like that isn't always the case but it is supposed to be the case. The discount does not apply to the replacement week but I believe that those with enrolled weeks have confirmed that they still are free when exchanging into Marriott/Vistana. I think if you want to retain the size of the upgrade you would have to do a retrade instead of a cancellation week. I believe the replacement week is based on the original deposit so don't upgrade to a larger size if you think you might be cancelling for a replacement week at some point.

 

[m61376]

I have been assured many times that marriott priority remains as does the original exchange power give or take. I feel like that isn't always the case but it is supposed to be the case. The discount does not apply to the replacement week but I believe that those with enrolled weeks have confirmed that they still are free when exchanging into Marriott/Vistana. I think if you want to retain the size of the upgrade you would have to do a retrade instead of a cancellation week. I believe the replacement week is based on the original deposit so don't upgrade to a larger size if you think you might be cancelling for a replacement week at some point.

Thanks- that’s consistent with what Mark said- and while he wasn’t sure about whether or not there’s be a cost to trade into a Marriott or Vistana week, so it’s good to hear.
In my case my original week was a 2BR, although the if it would have been based on the size of the trade I was considering looking for a 3BR n an epkus before asking for a cancellation week.
As usual Tuggers are the best for answers! Thanks all!


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[Dean]

I must admit I have never used e-plus but I may have the need to extend 2 deposits and want to be sure I'm understanding how best to do t his. Both are 4th of July 1 BR deposits from 2021 expiring this July. One was a cancelation of an exchange done within 60 days and the other tied to an ongoing search. I'm doubting being able to use either in the time frame needed so extending would be helpful. I'll keep looking for options that work for our 2 trips in the interim but given they are Aruba 2 BR in March and MGO 2 BR in July, I'm not optimistic of success though I'll keep looking multiple times a day including early AM.

So if I'm understanding correctly for the one I can only exchange within 60 days, I'd keep kicking it out until the latest possible date then cancel for a replacement week more than 14 days out so as not to be further restricted. For the other week I'd do the same except cancel before 60 days out. I'd then end up with 2 extended deposits expiring 1 year from the cancellation date with one only usable within 60 days of travel?

Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[Pamplemousse]

I must admit I have never used e-plus but I may have the need to extend 2 deposits and want to be sure I'm understanding how best to do t his. Both are 4th of July 1 BR deposits from 2021 expiring this July. One was a cancelation of an exchange done within 60 days and the other tied to an ongoing search. I'm doubting being able to use either in the time frame needed so extending would be helpful. I'll keep looking for options that work for our 2 trips in the interim but given they are Aruba 2 BR in March and MGO 2 BR in July, I'm not optimistic of success though I'll keep looking multiple times a day including early AM.

So if I'm understanding correctly for the one I can only exchange within 60 days, I'd keep kicking it out until the latest possible date then cancel for a replacement week more than 14 days out so as not to be further restricted. For the other week I'd do the same except cancel before 60 days out. I'd then end up with 2 extended deposits expiring 1 year from the cancellation date with one only usable within 60 days of travel?

Am I understanding this correctly?

Hi Dean,
I started to write a reply but I’m a little confused.
Are these just deposits that are expiring?

For the unrestricted week you could make an exchange as close to your July ‘23 expiration date, buy eplus and you then have 1 year past the check in date of that first exchange (7/24) to make 3 manual eplus exchanges. Cost is 1 exchange fee and 1 eplus fee.
Or you could again exchange to your July ‘23 expiration date, buy eplus and use them up out to the eplus expiration (July ‘24) and then cancel more than 60 days and take a replacement week good for a year from the cancelation (May’25). Cost is 2 exchange fees and 1 eplus fee. You can request with the replacement week if you canceled 60 days +.

 

[Dean]

Do you have eplus on either of these?
sounds like you are just cancelling exchanges and taking replacement weeks?

No I don't but I would exchange them for the latest time possible and add e-plus at the time then cancel as noted.

 

[Pamplemousse]

No I don't but I would exchange them for the latest time possible and add e-plus at the time then cancel as noted.

Added to my post above- sorry for the confusion

With the 60 day restricted week eplus will only extend you 6 months because those eplus retrades can only go 60 days ahead from the current reservation.
But if you plan to cancel and take the replacement week you could do all 3 eplus retrades together and then cancel more than 60 days so the replacement week is unrestricted.

 

[Dean]

Hi Dean,
I started to write a reply but I’m a little confused.
Are these just deposits that are expiring?

For the unrestricted week you could make an exchange as close to your July ‘23 expiration date, buy eplus and you then have 1 year past the check in date of that first exchange (7/24) to make 3 manual eplus exchanges. Cost is 1 exchange fee and 1 eplus fee.
Or you could again exchange to your July ‘23 expiration date, buy eplus and use them up out to the eplus expiration (July ‘24) and then cancel more than 60 days and take a replacement week good for a year from the cancelation (May’25). Cost is 2 exchange fees and 1 eplus fee. You can request with the replacement week if you cancel 60 days +.

Thanks. No exchange fees since it's only M to M in my corporate account? So if I'm understanding correct and looking at the unrestricted week it'd be getting an exchange in early July with e-plus then using the e-plus exchange options pushing out another year then canceling later effectively extending 2 years? Thanks, just not something I've looked at in the past.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Thanks. No exchange fees since it's only M to M in my corporate account? So if I'm understanding correct and looking at the unrestricted week it'd be getting an exchange in early July with e-plus then using the e-plus exchange options pushing out another year then canceling later effectively extending 2 years? Thanks, just not something I've looked at in the past.

I believe you would have an exchange fee with the replacement week.

Eplus will extend a year from the first check in date. The replacement week will get you another 10 months because you need to ask for it 60 days before the eplus expiration to avoid flexchange restriction.

 

[Dean]

I believe you would have an exchange fee with the replacement week.

Thanks so much.

 

[dioxide45]

I must admit I have never used e-plus but I may have the need to extend 2 deposits and want to be sure I'm understanding how best to do t his. Both are 4th of July 1 BR deposits from 2021 expiring this July. One was a cancelation of an exchange done within 60 days and the other tied to an ongoing search. I'm doubting being able to use either in the time frame needed so extending would be helpful. I'll keep looking for options that work for our 2 trips in the interim but given they are Aruba 2 BR in March and MGO 2 BR in July, I'm not optimistic of success though I'll keep looking multiple times a day including early AM.

So if I'm understanding correctly for the one I can only exchange within 60 days, I'd keep kicking it out until the latest possible date then cancel for a replacement week more than 14 days out so as not to be further restricted. For the other week I'd do the same except cancel before 60 days out. I'd then end up with 2 extended deposits expiring 1 year from the cancellation date with one only usable within 60 days of travel?

Am I understanding this correctly?

I think you got most of your questions answered, but what you want to do is exchange out as far as you can with both weeks. You might want to wait until closer to expiration to exchange the cancellation replacement that is Flexchange restricted to get a July 2023 checkin. You will then get July 2024 expiration dates on the EPlus. YOu then want to retrade the unrestricted week right away for as far out as you possibly can. THis gives you breathing room. You can then use the Start EPlus Retrade button to dearch instant exchange inventory. You don't want to cancel it yet. If or when you do cancel, you want to get the checkin as far out as you can using other retrades and then cancel as the cancellation replacement will be good for one year from the date you cancel it. Don't let it get into the 59 day window.

As for that cancellation replacement, it is more limited. I don't think they will let you take another cancellation replacewmnet deposit against it. So you would want to exchange out as far as you can and add EPlus. You can then search for 59 days beyond the checkin date for other exchanges. As mentioned, I don't think hyou can cancel this exchange again without losing it alltogether.

You shouldn't have any exchange fees but will incur the EPlus fee. Do let us know if there is an exchange fee applicable to the 60 day restricted week as there was a question earlier as to if owners with Marriott corp accounts get the exchange fee for $0 when exchanging on a cancellation replacement week.

 

[m61376]

Dean- Just so there's no confusion, for the unrestricted July week make sure you do an initial trade between now and May, at least 60 days before the expiration date of the July week. Reserve a week for July 2023, as close to the expiration date as possible, and purchase the Eplus option. At least 60 days before the expiration date, retrade using your first Eplus to a July 2024 week, again as far out in July as you can. That leaves you 2 more potential retrades through July of 2024. If you can't use it before then, then call in May of 2024, at least 60 days before the trade expires, and request a cancellation replacement week, which will effectively extend your initial deposit to May of 2025.

As for the restricted week- maybe @dioxide45 can answer this- but if an exchange was made within 59 days of the July 2023 expiration date (but I'd do it over 30 days so as not to incur a further restriction), wouldn't the Eplus extend the expiration date the full year (also to July of 2024), but you could only reserve something where check-in was within 59 days? I might be wrong, but I thought the restricted last minute exchanges had a limitation on how close to check-in reservations could be made (either within 59 days or less than 30 days) but the expiration dates were not affected. I know that's the way it is with the original Flexchange deposit, but not sure with an Eplus add on.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Dean- Just so there's no confusion, for the unrestricted July week make sure you do an initial trade between now and May, at least 60 days before the expiration date of the July week. Reserve a week for July 2023, as close to the expiration date as possible, and purchase the Eplus option. At least 60 days before the expiration date, retrade using your first Eplus to a July 2024 week, again as far out in July as you can. That leaves you 2 more potential retrades through July of 2024. If you can't use it before then, then call in May of 2024, at least 60 days before the trade expires, and request a cancellation replacement week, which will effectively extend your initial deposit to May of 2025.

As for the restricted week- maybe @dioxide45 can answer this- but if an exchange was made within 59 days of the July 2023 expiration date (but I'd do it over 30 days so as not to incur a further restriction), wouldn't the Eplus extend the expiration date the full year (also to July of 2024), but you could only reserve something where check-in was within 59 days? I might be wrong, but I thought the restricted last minute exchanges had a limitation on how close to check-in reservations could be made (either within 59 days or less than 30 days) but the expiration dates were not affected. I know that's the way it is with the original Flexchange deposit, but not sure with an Eplus add on.

For eplus flexchange you can only exchange out 60 days past the current check in date as opposed to regular flexchange which is 60 days ahead from ”today” up until the expiration date.
So for eplus flexchange you can only extend about 6 months even though the eplus expiry says 1 year.

But as I said in my previous post you can get yourself out of flexchange buy doing all 3 eplus retrades in succession and then calling to cancel and request a replacement when you are more than 60 days from the last check in.
To maximize your extension you would want to push all 3 eplus out to the max 60 days and then cancel at just more than 60 days before that last check in. You would extend about a year and 4 months and have an unrestricted replacement week that you can request with. Mark confirmed that this works.

 

[dioxide45]

But as I said in my previous post you can get yourself out of flexchange buy doing all 3 eplus retrades in succession and then calling to cancel and request a replacement when you are more than 60 days from the last check in.

I think this works on EPlus from a regular deposit, but for @Dean, his was from a cancelled exchange where he has a cancellation replacement deposit. I didn't think you could cancel that a second time and get another cancellation replacement.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I think this works on EPlus from a regular deposit, but for @Dean, his was from a cancelled exchange where he has a cancellation replacement deposit. I didn't think you could cancel that a second time and get another cancellation replacement.

I didn’t specifically ask Mark that question so I don’t know exactly how it will work for Dean.

I know a lot of people don’t know how eplus works for flexchange and they are surprised/disappointed that they can’t trade to the eplus expiry.

 

[dioxide45]

I didn’t specifically ask Mark that question so I don’t know exactly how it will work for Dean.

I know a lot of people don’t know how eplus works for flexchange and they are surprised/disappointed that they can’t trade to the eplus expiry.

Yeah, it seems to be a flaw in how EPlus is implemented for flexchange restricted exchanges. I guess they have implemented it as best they could programmatically, but it does get confusing when you see the one year expiration but can't effectively get out more than 60 days.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Yeah, it seems to be a flaw in how EPlus is implemented for flexchange restricted exchanges. I guess they have implemented it as best they could programmatically, but it does get confusing when you see the one year expiration but can't effectively get out more than 60 days.

II could solve the problem by making the expiry 6 months (-) to match the reality and manage expectation.
Even if people understand flexchange can only go 60 days ahead they often don’t understand how it’s different with eplus.

 

[RookWDW]

You shouldn't have any exchange fees but will incur the EPlus fee. Do let us know if there is an exchange fee applicable to the 60 day restricted week as there was a question earlier as to if owners with Marriott corp accounts get the exchange fee for $0 when exchanging on a cancellation replacement week.

Why are there no exchange fees in this example? I just had an exchange that I cancelled, and got a replacement week. I placed an exchange search and it charged me an exchange fee.