DVC moving to II effective Jan 1 2022 [MERGED]

[Mowogo]

As somebody that used RCI to exchange into Saratoga Springs, I am sad but I also understand that the value proposition I was getting was one that was simply too good to last. The RCI units I have are traders and when you use a unit for trading you can never expect to get anything specific and instead search to find a good home that lets you save your money for improving your experience elsewhere.

 

[escanoe]

Yes, that would be an easy trade. I also had great success with my Foxrun weeks. I think I will move my remaining Foxrun back to II from RCI now.

We will see. I hope you are right, but this was over a decade ago. In just my 3 years of timesharing, there has been considerable point inflation for DVC within RCI. At 85,000 and 65,000 in RCI Points for many DVC trades, that is more points than many gold crown 2BR RCI units will get you.

 

[Mowogo]

I have Lifetime in Hawaii which is a great trader in RCI. Any thoughts in II? I wasn't attached to my RCI account for anything besides DVC really, though I did get tons of great trades with my high TPU weeks! I have a glut of points though, so I'm willing to try depositing my 2022 week in II.

Sheraton Desert Oasis is a popular one if you want a good Voluntary resale with some minor Marriott brand preference, or for pure trader Vacation Village at Williamsburg and The Colonies at Williamsburg (Vacation Village resorts that trade in II) provide some significant savings in maintenance fees and can be had for free with seller paying transfer fees.

 

[alwysonvac]

Wow, it’s been 10+ years since the December 2008 announcement about the move from II to RCI (link).

This is wonderful news! I hope we see a selection of DVC resorts and unit sizes.

 

[bizaro86]

Sheraton Desert Oasis is a popular one if you want a good Voluntary resale with some minor Marriott brand preference, or for pure trader Vacation Village at Williamsburg and The Colonies at Williamsburg (Vacation Village resorts that trade in II) provide some significant savings in maintenance fees and can be had for free with seller paying transfer fees.

Thats probably good advise (and in general I like my SDO) but I'd be very careful about buying anything in II for this. Until we get a sense for how many deposits and what II is doing with them you'd hate to make long term commitments.

Who knows - maybe II will pull a Wyndham and only match DVC to their elite DC points owners. Or maybe they'll only give them to 3br deposits, or who knows what else.

 

[escanoe]

I guess a bigger question is though, what will this do to have a whole bunch of new members competing for getaway and AC inventory when DVC certainly won't be contributing much if any inventory that will make it to Getaways?

Not like there is a bunch of slack inventory for AC use now in II.

Guess those of us that have access to RCI Last Call and Getaways may see the impact of the DVC customers buying from RCI?

 

[rickandcindy23]

I have been considering Marriott's DC anyway, so this is another good reason to go full steam ahead with Marriott. Rick will be happy because he didn't like the RCI exchange game, and he is definitely sick of Wyndham. We enjoy Marriott quality and are considering Mandatory Options with WKV as well.

 

[Mowogo]

Thats probably good advise (and in general I like my SDO) but I'd be very careful about buying anything in II for this. Until we get a sense for how many deposits and what II is doing with them you'd hate to make long term commitments.

Who knows - maybe II will pull a Wyndham and only match DVC to their elite DC points owners. Or maybe they'll only give them to 3br deposits, or who knows what else.

Buying a timeshare with a specific exchange planned is never a good idea. The very nature of exchanges means you have to be flexible and not expect anything more than getting to vacation somewhere different than you own. It may not be your preferred resort, location, or time, but that is the cost of exchanging out of your home resort/system. And if demand is high, trading power will adjust and make ones purchased after the initial inventory load not have enough trading power after a year or two.

 

[geist1223]

No. No. No. Oh no. Why can't they be with both?

 

[SueDonJ]

As I understand it, during recent years any exchanges via RCI into DVC resorts required a fee (in addition to any regular RCI exchange fees) and the inventory was mostly limited to 1BR units at only a few DVC resorts - is that correct? If so, and if that continues with DVC's re-affiliation with II, there's no way I'm exchanging my high-demand 2BR and 3BR Marriott Weeks for DVC (and I'm saying that as someone who was extremely sad when DVC left II and went to RCI years ago.)

 

[TheHolleys87]

As I understand it, during recent years any exchanges via RCI into DVC resorts required a fee (in addition to any regular RCI exchange fees) and the inventory was mostly limited to 1BR units at only a few DVC resorts - is that correct? If so, and if that continues with DVC's re-affiliation with II, there's no way I'm exchanging my high-demand 2BR and 3BR Marriott Weeks for DVC (and I'm saying that as someone who was extremely sad when DVC left II and went to RCI years ago.)

Yes, that's right, other than a few months in 2020 when the resorts had just reopened and were essentially empty, DVC availability in RCI has been mostly SSR, OKW and occasional AKV 1 BR. So it will be interesting to see what DVC gives to II and what it costs II owners to book those units.

 

[SueDonJ]

And there are plenty! All Orlando HGVC and a few Marriotts trade via RCI.

I didn't know that! Which ones?

The Marriott-branded resorts that exchange with both RCI and II are:

• StreamSide: Birch, Douglas (not Evergreen) - Vail, CO [The Aspen & Cedar co-located buildings are no longer managed by Marriott.]
• Cypress Harbour - Orlando, FL
• Desert Springs Villas I (not Desert Springs Villas II) - Palm Desert, CA
• Harbour Club - Hilton Head Island, SC
• Heritage Club - Hilton Head Island, SC
• Monarch - Hilton Head Island, SC
• Royal Palms - Orlando, FL
• Sabal Palms - Orlando, FL
• Sunset Pointe - Hilton Head Island, SC

(These are the resorts that were in the Marriott portfolio in the early days when Marriott Vacation Club was affiliated with RCI. When MVC switched its corporate affiliation to II, these resorts became dual-affiliated and owners were given the option to select which exchange company they want to use for each of their exchanges.)

 

[mdurette]

My only other timeshare after DVC is with RCI. As a DVC member will I have access to last minute availability in II such as "Last Call Vacations" in RCI?

I would assume you would have access. In II, they are called Getaways. just and FYI, non refundable once purchased, but some decent deals.

 

[mdurette]

IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR.....
I've been in timeshares long enough that we got a Disney trade to HHI through II....I can't wait!

I had a couple exchanges to Vero and even used ACs back in the day to get into SSR. Doubt either of these will happen again, but they are nice memories!

 

[bnoble]

I confirmed a May 1BR at OKW via an AC. Those were the days!

 

[mdurette]

Oof. This news hurts. At least on the bright side I'll be forced to try out the other fine vacation resorts in the Orlando area -- I never would have when I could get DVC.

When DVC left II years ago, I was forced to venture into the world of Orlando Marriotts. IMO, every Marriott we have been too has been nicer and bigger than DVC units. AND you can get them for a steal during some seasons for getaways. Don't get my wrong, there is a convieance of DVC....but for a trip to general Orlando area, the Marriotts are a win!

 

[dioxide45]

Didn't DVC curate the list of available resorts when they were previously affiliated with II? Meaning, DVC members couldn't just exchange into any old place. It had to be an approved resort. I think they also did that with RCI for a period of time but then ended that. I would expect they can trade for anything and will perhaps have a TDI/room size chart like many of the other point based systems (DC, Westin/Sheraton Flex) use to determine how they will trade DVC points in II.

In the end though, an II exchange for a DVC member is not a good move. They would be far better to rent their DVC points out and use the cash to book something else. Most certainly this would be the case with Orlando getaways.

 

[dioxide45]

I wonder what kind of provisions II is having to give Disney to make this score? From what I understand, DVC left II because II didn't like the fee ($95) at the time. They now allow it with Vidanta. I don't think RCI ever had a 1 in 4 rule with DVC, but could that be something we see? Would II have gotten assurances of a minimum number of DVC deposits every year? I beleive Vistana does that with resorts that are affiliated with RCI. That is why so many Sheraton properties that are RCI affiliated show up super early in RCI.

 

[Theiggy]

Oooh exciting!!!!! I can’t wait to start watching/posting sightings on this!


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[rickandcindy23]

Disney will still get the $190 fee, and it may even be higher with II. That may be part of the agreement.

 

[bizaro86]

Disney will still get the $190 fee, and it may even be higher with II. That may be part of the agreement.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect lower costs for people exchanging in to be part of II's sales pitch to win the business.

 

[billymach4]

In the end though, an II exchange for a DVC member is not a good move. They would be far better to rent their DVC points out and use the cash to book something else. Most certainly this would be the case with Orlando getaways.

Yes true. But only if one is adept and understands how to rent. Not all owners have the savvy to be able to rent.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect lower costs for people exchanging in to be part of II's sales pitch to win the business.

Yes, I agree.

The good thing about II is that they will not allow advertising of II exchanges like DVC or Marriott or Westin. II gets the notifications for new listings on the various websites, and they watch ebay closely. There is a guy named vacationbooker on ebay that has rented hundreds of DVC units, all 7 night stays in one bedrooms, all listing the $190 fee. RCI did not care, but II has a fraud department that does. You can even call II and tell them you saw this listing with the DVC fee, and they investigate and end the rental.

 

[bnoble]

DVC left II because II didn't like the fee ($95) at the time.

They might not have liked it, but they allowed it. I remember paying it for my II exchanges.

 

[dioxide45]

Yes true. But only if one is adept and understands how to rent. Not all owners have the savvy to be able to rent.

True, but DVC has a pretty robust rental market where the owner barely has to lift a finger and still make about $15 a point. Many broker/companies out there facilitating rentals. The DVC owners just have to know that the option exists.

Disney made this mistake with the resale market a few years ago when they put resale restrictions at Riviera. They acknowledged a resale market and possibly hurt themselves in the process. They would have been better to have just left Riviera like the rest of the resorts without restrictions.