Delta Plane crash in Toronto

[moonstone]

A pretty scary landing for folks on a Delta flight from Minneapolis to Toronto this afternoon. Toronto had about a foot of snow today and it was very windy.
Thankfully all survived but 3 patients (2 adults & 1 infant) are in critical condition and were airlifted to hospital.

From the CBC news; https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-pearson-overturned-airplane-1.7461227



~Diane

 

[am1]

Not sure I would call it a landing. Showed up on my phone. Landed 2 days ago during a blizzard.

 

[ScoopKona]

Not sure I would call it a landing.

"If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing." -- Chuck Yeager

 

[am1]

"If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing." -- Chuck Yeager

Not all could today and that plane will not be used for a while.

 

[davidvel]

Not all could today and that plane will not be used for a while.

Scrap heap.

 

[TUGBrian]

that is wild, news saying the airport had 75mph gusts?

that seems rather high to allow planes to continue to land?

 

[TolmiePeak]

Scrap heap.

Correct. If it was one of the ultra low cost carriers they would attempt to save money by using a bit of bondo and duct tape and fly the plane again.

 

[moonstone]

that is wild, news saying the airport had 75mph gusts?

that seems rather high to allow planes to continue to land?

No somebody got the units mixed up. Toronto had gusts of up to 75 Kilometers per hour -that's 46 miles per hour. The airport has had 2 feet of snow over the weekend, half of that falling today, starting early this am.

Southern Ontario has been getting really hit with massive snow all amounts this winter, a way above average. In the small town (Orillia) nearest our home
has had 445 cms / 14.5 feet of snow so far this winter, well above the 282 cm/ 9.2 feet that we usually get. The weather guys say we will likely get another 2-3 feet of snow before our usual winter snowfall stops (early April). Snow piles are so high on the sides of streets the snow is falling back onto the road making many smaller roads (like the one we live on) barely over 1 lane wide.

So glad we are winter snowbirds!!

~Diane

 

[am1]

Add

Scrap heap.

Add it to the Russian plane there.

 

[TUGBrian]

No somebody got the units mixed up. Toronto had gusts of up to 75 Kilometers per hour -that's 46 miles per hour. The airport has had 2 feet of snow over the weekend, half of that falling today, starting early this am.

Southern Ontario has been getting really hit with massive snow all amounts this winter, a way above average. In the small town (Orillia) nearest our home
has had 445 cms / 14.5 feet of snow so far this winter, well above the 282 cm/ 9.2 feet that we usually get. The weather guys say we will likely get another 2-3 feet of snow before our usual winter snowfall stops (early April). Snow piles are so high on the sides of streets the snow is falling back onto the road making many smaller roads (like the one we live on) barely over 1 lane wide.

So glad we are winter snowbirds!!

~Diane

that makes more sense for sure...though Id still like to know at what point its considered too dangerous for a plane to land?

40mph winds would shut down bridges to car traffic here...and thats without having to deal with snow?

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

that is wild, news saying the airport had 75mph gusts?

that seems rather high to allow planes to continue to land?

Canada uses metric - so it may have been 75 kph = 45 mph

Toronto Pearson YYZ is regularly used as a diversion airport for NE North America when a flight's destination airport
is shut down by winter weather.

It has a lot of de-icing equipment and snowplows.

 

[Dane2]

“It was a typical flight from Minneapolis to Toronto,” he told the outlet. “And we were coming in, and I did notice the winds were super gusty. The snow had kinda blown over the runways. So coming it was routine but it was noticeable that the runways were in kind of a weird condition.”

“And when we hit, it was super hard. We hit the ground and the plane went sideways and I believe we skidded on our side and flipped over on our back,”

 

[dioxide45]

Here's a video that contains video taken from what looks to be another plane or perhaps a maintenance vehicle. Video of the landing starts at 0:19. Everything looked routine until it nearly touched the runway. Perhaps a gust of wind came up on the left side and when it hit, it hit hard enough that perhaps the right landing gear collapsed. Though it could just be a landing gear failure. Though probably getting ahead of ourselves.

 

[jorcus]

There is some question as to whether the flip was caused by a hard landing or wind gust. After watching the video the hard landing seems to play a roll into what happened. I flew in one of those jets recently and I actually read the card stuffed in the set back about how to get out of the plane. That plane in the emergency exit over the wing you are supposed to take out a rope and connect it to an eye on the wing to help you climb out. Of course that was not needed in this case as there was no wing and upside down. The fact it was a small cramped cabin made it easier to get down being upside down but still would be hard to unbuckle with your weight on the belt. Glad it was not worse.

 

[Talent312]

The plane looks like a dog on its back with its feet in the air.
Maybe it's taking a nap.
.

 

[rapmarks]

My friends grandson was supposed to fly in from Toronto that night. He was on another plane when this happened. Plane never took off anfter six hour delay and he couldn’t get another flight until late Thursday,so cancelled the trip.

 

[billymach4]

 

[davidvel]

Here's a video that contains video taken from what looks to be another plane or perhaps a maintenance vehicle. Video of the landing starts at 0:19. Everything looked routine until it nearly touched the runway. Perhaps a gust of wind came up on the left side and when it hit, it hit hard enough that perhaps the right landing gear collapsed. Though it could just be a landing gear failure. Though probably getting ahead of ourselves.

Not that routine. Normally the CRJ has a decent flare before touching down, though not as marked as a bigger jet. There is little to no flare here at all. Some are reporting that just before "landing" vertical speeds increased significantly, which is not usual. Incredible anyone survived.

 

[davidvel]

There is some question as to whether the flip was caused by a hard landing or wind gust. After watching the video the hard landing seems to play a roll into what happened. I flew in one of those jets recently and I actually read the card stuffed in the set back about how to get out of the plane. That plane in the emergency exit over the wing you are supposed to take out a rope and connect it to an eye on the wing to help you climb out. Of course that was not needed in this case as there was no wing and upside down. The fact it was a small cramped cabin made it easier to get down being upside down but still would be hard to unbuckle with your weight on the belt. Glad it was not worse.

The flip was almost certainly caused by the right wing detaching at impact. The left wing would still have lift with no counter on right, causing the plane to roll over. Once upside down, no more lift, but downforce.

 

[Sandi Bo]

My sister flew into JFK the night before (Sunday night). She was on a late flight, switched to an earlier flight due to predicted high winds. That flight got delayed and she landed about 10pm I believe. Took 2 tries due to the high winds. So crazy this happened the next day. And, IDK, I know we have to work -- but she had asked her boss for Monday off (concerned about flight issues) and they told her should could come in at 10am. Grrrr. Just grrrrr.

I wondered if there were any lap babies, I never saw anything on the news. But @moonstone, there must have been (at least) one, reading your OP?

Kudos, really, to the Toronto airport team, firefighters response, passengers, etc!

 

[pedro47]

Thank God for the majority of the passengers were not injured..and they were able to walk away.

Lesson learned please kept those seat belts fastened when landing and taking off. IMHO.

 

[clifffaith]

My sister flew into JFK the night before (Sunday night). She was on a late flight, switched to an earlier flight due to predicted high winds. That flight got delayed and she landed about 10pm I believe. Took 2 tries due to the high winds. So crazy this happened the next day. And, IDK, I know we have to work -- but she had asked her boss for Monday off (concerned about flight issues) and they told her should could come in at 10am. Grrrr. Just grrrrr.

I wondered if there were any lap babies, I never saw anything on the news. But @moonstone, there must have been (at least) one, reading your OP?

Kudos, really, to the Toronto airport team, firefighters response, passengers, etc!

Lap babies, accck! I was fretting that Cliff and I would have likely lost our glasses in the rollover. Imagine having a child in your lap!

 

[moonstone]

I wondered if there were any lap babies, I never saw anything on the news. But @moonstone, there must have been (at least) one, reading your OP?

Yes, I read in one news story that the child who was airlifted to Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children was being held in the lap by a parent. I certainly wouldnt expect anybody to be able to secure a child or anything during that violent flip but I'm glad the child is ok. The child was discharged from hospital yesterday.

On one of my Toronto > Florida flights 2 years ago I saw a mom with their baby in some sort of harness that went around mom like a regular baby carrier but it also attached to the planes seatbelt that was around mom's lap. I thought it was a great idea and would prevent the baby/child from being thrown against the seat in front or, as in the other days crash, tossed around the cabin like a ball.

Lap babies, accck! I was fretting that Cliff and I would have likely lost our glasses in the rollover. Imagine having a child in your lap!

Many years ago, when our daughter was 22 mos old, we flew to Florida and since she was under 2 she could have flown free (or cheap?) on my lap. It is only a 2.5 hour flight from Toronto but for safety reasons we bought her a seat and brought her airline approved car seat on board with us. She was quite comfortable sitting in a familiar seat and we knew she was much safer. We also then had a car seat for her to use in our rental car.

~Diane

 

[davidvel]

Yes, I read in one news story that the child who was airlifted to Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children was being held in the lap by a parent. I certainly wouldnt expect anybody to be able to secure a child or anything during that violent flip but I'm glad the child is ok. The child was discharged from hospital yesterday.

On one of my Toronto > Florida flights 2 years ago I saw a mom with their baby in some sort of harness that went around mom like a regular baby carrier but it also attached to the planes seatbelt that was around mom's lap. I thought it was a great idea and would prevent the baby/child from being thrown against the seat in front or, as in the other days crash, tossed around the cabin like a ball.


Many years ago, when our daughter was 22 mos old, we flew to Florida and since she was under 2 she could have flown free (or cheap?) on my lap. It is only a 2.5 hour flight from Toronto but for safety reasons we bought her a seat and brought her airline approved car seat on board with us. She was quite comfortable sitting in a familiar seat and we knew she was much safer. We also then had a car seat for her to use in our rental car.

~Diane

Those are widely used internationally. I do not believe they are allowed on U.S. domestic flights.

 

[davidvel]

Thank God for the majority of the passengers were not injured..and they were able to walk away.

Lesson learned please kept those seat belts fastened when landing and taking off. IMHO.

At all times you are in your seat as well.