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Coronavirus Wreaking Havoc on Your Travel Plans?

Coronavirus: Nation's first cluster of illnesses reported in Seattle area.




Richard
Unless this is a spate of false positives, IMO we need to admit that Pandora's box is opened. Cases are occurring in individuals who have no apparent connections with or exposures to known infected areas. At this point, attempts to quarantine or limit the spread are probably futile. Those efforts should now be directed toward diagnosis and treatment instead of containment. But that's probably not a politically acceptable response, so we will continue to engage in futile efforts.

My take is that this will become the latest world disease pandemic - more virulent that what people currently living can recall, but actually pretty mild in the overall history of homo sapiens. I know this might sound harsh or insensitive, but it's pretty minor in comparison with diseases such as smallpox, polio, and measles. As this viral strain becomes entrenched, within one to two years, vaccines will be developed that will provide a level of protection, though there will always be recurring outbreaks because viruses readily mutate.

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I guess this is a plea for some perspective. Nature does not give us a "safe world", and IMHO too many people believe that a "risk-free" life is some kind of human right.

It's interesting how societal attitudes change. I'm an OF - I was born in 1951. When I was a boy, parents wanted their children to contract mumps, red measles, German measles, and chicken pox before third or fourth grade. Because contracting those diseases before puberty conferred immunity and the course of the disease in children was much less severe. My mother was extremely concerned because I never contracted mumps or German measles.

Tetanus and diphtheria. And rabies. When my parents grew up, contracting one of those diseases had high fatality. Tetanus and rabies was close to 100%, and as a parent you could only stand by as your child experienced an excruciatingly painful death. I remember having some puncture wounds as a child (e.g., stepping on a board with a rusty nail), and my parents freaked out because that was the type of wound that too often led to death.

Polio!!! When polio vaccines were developed, families couldn't get their children immunized as soon as possible. Because the alternative was usually an iron lung. The best possible outcome was a disability similar to FDR.
 

"Lost in the discussion about COVID-19 is the fact that the US is experiencing a severe influenza season that has already resulted in more than 16 000 deaths."

"In general, wearing masks in public does not prevent people from getting the disease"

That's from, The Journal of the American Medical Association, not some government agency. However, keep the mass hysteria flowing. Which part of,you have a far greater chance of dying from the flu is it you don't understand. But keep buying those masks after all, you're making some companies very rich.

Now, go back to your sheltering and stocking up due to the fact the end is near as you see it.
 
Unless this is a spate of false positives, IMO we need to admit that Pandora's box is opened. Cases are occurring in individuals who have no apparent connections with or exposures to known infected areas. At this point, attempts to quarantine or limit the spread are probably futile. Those efforts should now be directed toward diagnosis and treatment instead of containment. But that's probably not a politically acceptable response, so we will continue to engage in futile efforts.

My take is that this will become the latest world disease pandemic - more virulent that what people currently living can recall, but actually pretty mild in the overall history of homo sapiens. I know this might sound harsh or insensitive, but it's pretty minor in comparison with diseases such as smallpox, polio, and measles. As this viral strain becomes entrenched, within one to two years, vaccines will be developed that will provide a level of protection, though there will always be recurring outbreaks because viruses readily mutate.

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I guess this is a plea for some perspective. Nature does not give us a "safe world", and IMHO too many people believe that a "risk-free" life is some kind of human right.

It's interesting how societal attitudes change. I'm an OF - I was born in 1951. When I was a boy, parents wanted their children to contract mumps, red measles, German measles, and chicken pox before third or fourth grade. Because contracting those diseases before puberty conferred immunity and the course of the disease in children was much less severe. My mother was extremely concerned because I never contracted mumps or German measles.

Tetanus and diphtheria. And rabies. When my parents grew up, contracting one of those diseases had high fatality. Tetanus and rabies was close to 100%, and as a parent you could only stand by as your child experienced an excruciatingly painful death. I remember having some puncture wounds as a child (e.g., stepping on a board with a rusty nail), and my parents freaked out because that was the type of wound that too often led to death.

Polio!!! When polio vaccines were developed, families couldn't get their children immunized as soon as possible. Because the alternative was usually an iron lung. The best possible outcome was a disability similar to FDR.
The Pandora box was open weeks ago imo. We are now seeing those that are getting very sick. I wouldn’t be surprise if thousands of us are carriers. There was no way to contain it unless we closed all borders and allowed no flights to enter the country. It is all over the world. Why would anyone think we would be immune from it spreading to the USA?
 
COVID-19: Singapore confirms four new cases; three linked to Wizlearn Technologies cluster.


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US coronavirus cases jumps to 71; West Coast is hardest hit.


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Virus fears close down France's Louvre Museum.



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These Airlines Will Let You Change Your Flight For Free Because of Coronavirus.


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United Airlines Offers Pilots a Month Off on Reduced Pay as it Drastically Reduces Schedule.




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Will ts companies copy airlines and waive cancellation penalties?

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I'll start by saying that coronavirus is a different animal, so I will admit, with regard to this particular disease, as far as I am concerned, all bets are off.

On the other hand, while airplanes recirculate air, the claim that if one person is ill on a plane then everyone will be exposed is a myth. The planes have very efficient HEPA filters, and, the air is more likely to be more disease free than many other places (your office, for example, or certainly any school room). See the attached link...

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What is really bad in an airplane is when the person seated behind you has a hacking cough.There is no escape. I have had this happen more often than I like to think.
Sadly, there were two times in my career when I had to fly with a hacking cough. It was embarrassing.

When someone coughs or sneezes, how many people (not everyone) and surfaces (not every surface) are exposed to the microscopic droplets before reaching the airplane's filtration system?

Airplanes during the winter months are flying petri dishes.
 
Scotland confirms first case of coronavirus.


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