Comparison Chart of current major point system Timeshare developers

[TUGBrian]

have updated field with current wyndham/worldmark figures/values

now to get the rest!

 

[dioxide45]

would you (or anyone) like to submit the changes to bring it up to date? im always happy to provide free membership extensions for efforts like this!

i note this link is already on that page linked from the "disney faq" line.

I can attest to the free membership extensions. I updated the TUG Help Article for Vistana several years ago and got a membership extension.

 

[dioxide45]

I think the number of resorts for Marriott Abound and Vistana Abound aren't really showing the correct picture. For Marriott, it is showing the combined Marriott and Vistana resorts but for Vistana it is showing the number of Westin & Sheraton resorts only. For Marriott I think there is about 69 resorts total. Vistana has 24.

 

[TUGBrian]

I think the number of resorts for Marriott Abound and Vistana Abound aren't really showing the correct picture. For Marriott, it is showing the combined Marriott and Vistana resorts but for Vistana it is showing the number of Westin & Sheraton resorts only. For Marriott I think there is about 69 resorts total. Vistana has 24.

updated ty

 

[noreenkate]

would you (or anyone) like to submit the changes to bring it up to date? im always happy to provide free membership extensions for efforts like this!

i note this link is already on that page linked from the "disney faq" line.

If its simply a matter of updating the information I would probably be able to knock that out over the weekend if you don't have someone more qualified… Lol my computer skills are minimal ( think point click and shop )

 

[TUGBrian]

no its fairly easy, ill do the updating of the page/code itself...id just need notes or similar on what needed to change!

 

[byeloe]

Typical points for a 2BD in Vistana is 148100 Star options. Or 81000 star options

 

[byeloe]

Resale value for Vistana is more "modest" since mandatory resorts sell for decent prices

 

[byeloe]

For the Vistana FAQ there are no longer starpoints.

They are Bonvoy points now

 

[dioxide45]

For the Vistana FAQ there are no longer starpoints.

They are Bonvoy points now

There are many updates needed to the FAQ stickies in the BBS. I noted it in another thread a while ago but no one came forward to volunteer to make updates.

 

[TUGBrian]

Typical points for a 2BD in Vistana is 148100 Star options. Or 81000 star options

thank you, what would be a good MF value for these high and low options?

 

[TUGBrian]

Resale value for Vistana is more "modest" since mandatory resorts sell for decent prices

I think every system has a few resorts (or specific weeks at average resorts) that sell for well outside the norm.

 

[byeloe]

thank you, what would be a good MF value for these high and low options?

Maintenance for 148100 at Lagunamar is around 2100 but that might be low ish compared to other resorts in the system.
Westin Kierland was similarly around $2100 plus $240 club fee
Maui, WSJ and Harbourside are significantly more

 

[TUGBrian]

added a few more line items off suggestions from owners basing it on some of the incoming 2025 maintenance fees.

as always, comments/suggestions/edits welcome!

Timeshare System Points Comparison Chart

side by side comparison chart of all the major Timeshare Point systems

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[Sandy VDH]

We should make note that both BG and Diamond have been purchased by Hilton, but are still operated separately.

I think that the Shell properties are now all rolled into wyndham, as I see them in there, but I don't own Shell so I don't know if there is still something outside of Wyndham anymore.

 

[dioxide45]

Okay. I think the better way to break this down for Marriott and Vistana is to rename the Vistana column to Vistana VSN. Then rename the column "Marriott Abound" to just be Abound. The problem is that the two systems overlap but they are also distinct.

Updates to Vistana VSN column.

• From a VSN points perspective it should just list II. I don't think weeks in VSN can trade through RCI.
• For Developer vs. Resale Difference, it's complicated and perhaps that is why it says depends. Though for mandatory resale weeks, the StarOptions work the same, but for the Flex programs, they are very different. As there are also Vistana non VSN points.

For the Abound column

• I think the number of resorts should be bumped back up to 90 since Abound does include all Marriott, Westin and Sheraton resorts.

Things will continue to get more complicated with additional mergers as I am sure MVW is planning some type of integrated system with Welk and Hyatt, each of which have their own individual point systems. What a mess.

 

[noreenkate]

What a mess.

Yup- lol this is why I prefer weeks! Way less confusing 🫤

 

[Eric B]

I don't think weeks in VSN can trade through RCI.

There are actually some VSN resorts that do trade in RCI on an individual basis because they were originally in RCI. Sheraton Vistana Resort actually has some ownerships that are in RCI points. I do support at least putting an asterisk on RCI to note that.

One suggestion I would make overall for the structure of the chart would be moving Hilton HGVC to the right of Hyatt and moving Diamond HVC and Bluegreen next to Hilton. I would then add another row above the first one and group the first two columns (Marriott and Vistana) under a label reading "Abound" and group the three columns for Hilton, Diamond, and Bluegreen under a label reading "HGVC Max." I would also move Shell to be adjacent to Club Wyndham and WorldMark (that's how it's really capitalized) and add a label over those three reading "Club Pass". This would recognize the mini-exchange systems between those systems. As an alternative, it could be set up as a row labeled "Mini-exchange System" below "Exchange System."

For the Hilton, Diamond, and Bluegreen columns it might be worth adding "DeX" as an exchange system, though it hasn't rolled out to all yet.

For the Marriott entry, assuming this is representing enrolled weeks or points ownerships since the chart is a point system comparison chart (which might make a better name), the maintenance fees entry should have an asterisk to show II membership is included with the annual dues. For the note saying that below the chart, I would delete the word "complimentary" - anything that is provided in exchange for paying annual dues isn't really complimentary but is being paid for by those dues. The same issue of non-enrolled weeks not getting the II membership that exists for Marriott exists for Vistana after all.

As far as the name for Vistana goes, Marriott is kind of transitioning it to "Sheraton Vacation Club" and "Westin Vacation Club" on the Abound site, with "formerly Vistana" added. Who knows where that will wind up.

I would leave Hyatt next to the Marriott ones though not included in Abound in order to recognize the ownership. I would also suggest adding a column for Welk next to Hyatt, though I don't know enough about either to contribute to setting up those columns and can't even guess what the future holds for them.

The introductory paragraph will ultimately need to be edited to reflect the current names, perhaps with the old names as parenthetical notes. For example, it could include "Hyatt Vacation Club (formerly Hyatt Residence Club, which was formerly Hyatt Vacation Club)" or whatever went on with those confusing names.

I think that the Shell properties are now all rolled into wyndham, as I see them in there, but I don't own Shell so I don't know if there is still something outside of Wyndham anymore.

I believe that Shell still exists, though as just a shell of its former self. rolleyes: at myself for that one.) @rickandcindy23 has posted about the IT and other issues that are happening with that system.

 

[TUGBrian]

shell definately exists, just had someone give the details for that to be included in the chart.

id like to focus on the mf/points part before any major redesign of the chart itself....I think it may be growing to the point of informational overload and a bit of a different format will be needed to make it easier to read.

might take out the fields for the website links and simply add them below vs including them in the chart as they arent really anything being "compared" vs the data itself.

 

[TUGBrian]

Yup- lol this is why I prefer weeks! Way less confusing 🫤

and its a mess to people who have been involved in timesharing for YEARS....

a new owner has little to no hope of navigating this themselves.

 

[bnoble]

id like to focus on the mf/points part before any major redesign of the chart itsel

I've said this before, but I think this is a fool's errand. That's because in some systems, the mf/point can vary WILDLY. In Wyndham, for example, it can vary by a factor of 2X or more. You can attempt to report an average, but the average "in the system" is almost certainly higher than the average "a TUGger might expect", because TUGgers are informed buyers.

I appreciate the desire to try to have an easy way to compare these systems, but I'm not sure they are easily comparable.

 

[TUGBrian]

you may be right! if it was easy someone would have done it by now! =)

 

[dioxide45]

There are actually some VSN resorts that do trade in RCI on an individual basis because they were originally in RCI.

I understand that some Vistana resorts do trade in RCI, but I thought that any weeks enrolled in VSN had to exchange through II. I thought that only those weeks that are unenrolled voluntary could trade through RCI.

 

[noreenkate]

You can attempt to report an average, but the average "in the system" is almost certainly higher than the average "a TUGger might expect", because TUGgers are informed buyeR

That brings about the question is this particular article supposed to be for new to timeshares, you know those that stumble into TUG looking to rescind & maybe find a better deal or is it for “experienced owners” that are looking for a quick cheat sheet cliff notes version of whats available.

If its a quick cheat sheet than using CWA maintenance fees might be the way to go…an experienced owner would no that their are highs and lowes within every system.