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Changes to PFD Grid

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BocaBum99 said:
If anyone based their buying assumption on raiding weeks from RCI weeks, they made a huge mistake when they bought....The exchange fees are too high and the extra housekeeping fees are ridiculous.... If I booked it in RCI Points, I would have paid $63 in exchange fees and $58 in housekeeping fees.

You are right on re the costs of partial week stays. The combination of the value of your Points, the Reservation Fee and the housekeeping fees most often make these transactions uneconomic.

I might quarrel with you a little on accessing Weeks. I am right now in SE Florida in a nice, great location one bedroom (I don't need two bedrooms) which I picked up for 7,500 RCI Points and $149 using the 45 day window.

GEORGE

PS - Note that about 90% of my Points come from PFD.
 

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Boca,

Can you refresh my memory about what company(ies) offer the mini-point reservation programs that you refer to?


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While, I would acknowledge that it is a step in the right direction, it is a much smaller step than they could have taken if they had used the European points grids as a model, which use more categories of weeks during the year and more geographical categories.

By lumping too much together, it still undervalues the best resorts/locations within these broad categories and the best parts of these broad seasons. While the bargain basement has narrowed somewhat, it is still there.



reddiablosv said:
Carolinian, the new grid is not perfection as you have pointed out. However it does address a major source of concern that weeks owners have been complaining about scince the inception of the points program. Let me illustrate with an example. Under the old grid the average points 2 bedroom GC resort in Hawaii was worth about 80-90K points. But, the grid allowed a crossover exchange for a weeks unit for 45K points!! A two for one swap, or raid depending on your point of view. And heaven knows we had tuggers lining up on these threads defending this as progress and the wave of the future. These tuggers saw nothing wrong with this as long as they were the beneficiaries. (No personal attack intended, just an observation.) With the new grid values RCI has made this a one for one swap. The days of raiding are largely over!!! You have scored a victory! Acknowledge it. Ben
 

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I guess you would like for every day of every week of every individual room of every resort for the whole year to have a separate point assignment, right?
Carolinian said:
While, I would acknowledge that it is a step in the right direction, it is a much smaller step than they could have taken if they had used the European points grids as a model, which use more categories of weeks during the year and more geographical categories.

By lumping too much together, it still undervalues the best resorts/locations within these broad categories and the best parts of these broad seasons. While the bargain basement has narrowed somewhat, it is still there.
 

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In Weeks, they do, which is one thing that makes it a fairer system.

The more breakdowns the better, such as for the southeast having a category for southeastern beachs, southeastern mountains, and southeastern inland. Even then, the beachs should probably have some geographical distinctions. Charleston should probably also be seperated from the others, as some cities other places are.

Seasonally, probably ten to twelve categories could fairly apportion value.
 

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Please point us to the PUBLISHED values for Weeks as I guess no one but you has ever seen them. How about southeastern beaches with beach chairs and without beach chairs, southeatern mountains by elevation, with fishing and without fishing? How about Charleston facing east and Charleston facing west?
Carolinian said:
In Weeks, they do, which is one thing that makes it a fairer system.

The more breakdowns the better, such as for the southeast having a category for southeastern beachs, southeastern mountains, and southeastern inland. Even then, the beachs should probably have some geographical distinctions. Charleston should probably also be seperated from the others, as some cities other places are.

Seasonally, probably ten to twelve categories could fairly apportion value.
 

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MULTIZ321 said:
Boca,

Can you refresh my memory about what company(ies) offer the mini-point reservation programs that you refer to?


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Richard


Bluegreen is a mini-point system, where they have a point system called Bluegreen Vacation Club. If you own within the system at a points resorts, you are able to use your points to reserve at another resort in the Club at no cost and they also have Bonus Nights for those two nights stays, three on the Holidays. Check out Bluegreen, as a member you are automatically enrolled in RCI Weeks and it is up to you if you want to participate in RCI.
 

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Thanks Kathleen for the info on Bluegreen Vacation Club.


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The Caribbean is a prime example of how lumpoing too much together cannot assign fair values. Islands like St. John, St. Lucia, and Bermuda are worth far more than say, the Dominican Republic. New Years Week, or and January-March week is worth far more than hurricane season. But, with the Points grids, it is all lumped into together by size and award designation.

RCI could have introduced some fairness, by seperating the islands into three or four categories based on supply and demand factors, and split red season into three or four different categories (like they have at Points resorts).

A hurricane season 1BR red season standard week in hurricane season in the Dominican Republic is no where near the same value as a 1BR red season New Years week on St. John or 1BR July week on Bermuda. Valueing them all the same is just nuts.
 

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bogey21 said:
You are right on re the costs of partial week stays. The combination of the value of your Points, the Reservation Fee and the housekeeping fees most often make these transactions uneconomic.

I might quarrel with you a little on accessing Weeks. I am right now in SE Florida in a nice, great location one bedroom (I don't need two bedrooms) which I picked up for 7,500 RCI Points and $149 using the 45 day window.

GEORGE

PS - Note that about 90% of my Points come from PFD.

Good for you. Those are great trades. I don't use those at all. I prefer the II flexexchange to get roughly the same deal with resorts that are far superior, IMHO.

And, since you are using PFD, you are actually doing RCI weeks trades for other RCI weeks using RCI Points as the vehicle to boost your trading power. Very smart. To me, that's not raiding weeks.

Raiding weeks is when you convert fixed/floating weeks to points and use those points to make weeks reservations.
 

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Why don't you make these recommendations privately to RCI rather than here where it will do no good whatsoever?
Carolinian said:
The Caribbean is a prime example of how lumpoing too much together cannot assign fair values. Islands like St. John, St. Lucia, and Bermuda are worth far more than say, the Dominican Republic. New Years Week, or and January-March week is worth far more than hurricane season. But, with the Points grids, it is all lumped into together by size and award designation.

RCI could have introduced some fairness, by seperating the islands into three or four categories based on supply and demand factors, and split red season into three or four different categories (like they have at Points resorts).

A hurricane season 1BR red season standard week in hurricane season in the Dominican Republic is no where near the same value as a 1BR red season New Years week on St. John or 1BR July week on Bermuda. Valueing them all the same is just nuts.
 

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JeffV said:
Why don't you make these recommendations privately to RCI rather than here where it will do no good whatsoever?

I did make this challenge on the Ask RCI Board, but got nothing but an evasive non-answer from Madge.
 

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Obviously, you did not read my question. Try again tomorrow.
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I did make this challenge on the Ask RCI Board, but got nothing but an evasive non-answer from Madge.
 

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All of you....and you know who you are ...have been previously warned about this Thread...what is and is not acceptable. Just be warned for the last time...that you are all treading on thin ice. This is your final warning!
 
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