Carnival Bookings Up 200%

[pedro47]

now cruise bookings are surging 600%

https://thewinglet.boardingarea.com...s-surge-600-after-announcing-august-relaunch/

Do you really believe these numbers? What cruise ports are open to cruisers in Alaska, Hawaii, Caribbean, Europe, South America and Asia?

Will longshoremen be available to load suit cases and supplies onto cruises ships?

 

[DannyTS]

The USA has lost 80,000 people in 8 weeks. This is not "the flu". It's just not.

read a little bit about how they establish the number of flu deaths. Read about the number of flu tests every year (vs the number of Covid tests)

 

[Brett]

Do you really believe these numbers? What cruise ports are open to cruisers in Alaska, Hawaii, Caribbean, Europe, South America and Asia?

Will longshoremen be available to load suit cases and supplies onto cruises ships?

Most cruise ports will probably re-open late summer, it remains to seen how many passengers will board.
I'll believe the "booking" numbers when I see the cruise industries financials

 

[TravelTime]

A lady at one of my zoom groups said she wasn’t afraid of dying. She went to A Mother’s Day brunch at her sons house. She said she kissed and hugged everybody. I thought, she’s not afraid of dying. But is she OK with killing her kids and her grandkids.

I‘m not living in fear. I simply am not taking chances with my kids’ lives. And I choose to not put myself in a position where I will leave my kids motherless.

I am not saying this is the case but could there be an explanation as to why this lady was okay with going to her son’s house? Was it only her and her son’s immediate family? Might they be part of each other’s bubbles? I know of plenty of people who have created bubbles with just certain people allowed in and out of their bubble and the entire bubble needs to agree to the social distancing guidelines if they go outside the bubble. In fact, this is an approach being used in Canada, New Zealand and other countries. There was an article in the Washington Post today about a family using this approach. Also, I wouldn’t just blame this lady. It sounds like the people at that brunch were okay with it too. If they are all practicing good social distancing and hygiene guidelines, then I would guess the risk of getting sick and dying is not zero but small. I can’t speak for everything else this lady does and you might know that she is flaunting the guidelines at more levels than just this.

 

[jehb2]

am not saying this is the case but could there be an explanation as to why this lady was okay with going to her son’s house?

This past week she went to her favorite restaurant twice and the mall—and that’s just the places she told us about. Her son had a big family gathering. She was so happy to see everyone especially her son and her grandkids. She said and this is etched in my brain “I hugged and kissed everyone and I didn’t care.” She wasn’t worried about herself. But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.

 

[geekette]

This past week she went to her favorite restaurant twice and the mall—and that’s just the places she told us about. Her son had a big family gathering. She was so happy to see everyone especially her son and her grandkids. She said and this is etched in my brain “I hugged and kissed everyone and I didn’t care.” She wasn’t worried about herself. But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.

"and I didn't care" would be words that would haunt me. good luck to them all.

 

[easyrider]

She wasn’t worried about herself. But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.

Covid 19 isn't as bad as the news is making it out to be and every one knows this.

Wow, Carnival stock is so low I can't believe they can stay in business unless they can get busy soon.

Bill

 

[Brett]

Covid 19 isn't as bad as the news is making it out to be and every one knows this.

Wow, Carnival stock is so low I can't believe they can stay in business unless they can get busy soon.

Bill

OK, the "news" is exaggerating COVID 19
(and "everyone" knows the real "facts")

 

[Bucky]

Covid 19 isn't as bad as the news is making it out to be and every one knows this.

Our resident expert has spoken. What a ridiculous statement. Tell that to the 80000 in the US already dead. But, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether factual or not I guess.

 

[geekette]

....Covid 19 isn't as bad as the news is making it out to be and every one knows this.

Probably you want to be careful in asserting what "every one" knows.

You're free to go get infected and do your time with it then tell us how those crystals in your lungs afterwards are working for ya. I will do my best to skip weeks in ICU intubated. It's an experience I really don't want. But if you think it's no big deal, go on and get out there, lick everything. Volunteer on the covid unit wearing only a bandana.

 

[easyrider]

Probably you want to be careful in asserting what "every one" knows.

OK, the "news" is exaggerating COVID 19
(and "everyone" knows the real "facts")

Our resident expert has spoken. What a ridiculous statement. Tell that to the 80000 in the US already dead. But, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether factual or not I guess.

It will be at least 70% of the population of the USA catching Covid 19 before Covid 19 infection rates slow down. All of the measures taken to prevent Covid 19 are to only flatten the curve so the hospitals are not over run. This actually means that out of the 328 million people in the USA, about 230 million + will be infected.

Out of the 230 million infected people the mortality rate might be as high as 1.3 % to as low as .01% . The high mortality rate means that about 10 x more people will die from Covid 19 than the low mortality rate. As the testing to see who has had Covid 19 increases we see that more people have had Covid 19 which reduces the % of of the mortality rate. The more testing for Covid 19 the smaller the mortality rate is what is happening.

People that have medical issues are more at risk than people with out medical issues. To me this should be understood as those with medical conditions should take precautions while those with little to no medical conditions can interact with others.

I replied because of the "risk" post. I think that suggesting people that are interacting with their grand kids , or anyone really, is a form of internet shaming and bullying. If you do or don't want to interact with others that is your own decision and I totally respect that decision. I do like the ambiguity implied by statements that do not respect others. To imply that some one is not aware of the risks is to imply you know what that person knows when you actually don't.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Changed my mind. I don't feel strongly enough about the topic to actually really care.

Bill

 

[jehb2]

I replied because of the "risk" post. I think that suggesting people that are interacting with their grand kids , or anyone really, is a form of internet shaming and bullying

Fact: Mrs. X went to a restaurant twice and to the mall
Fact: Mrs. X went to a family gathering and hugged and kissed her kids and grandkids (her words not mine)
Fact: She put her loved ones at risk for catching Covid 19

Mrs. X says she’s not afraid of dying.

My response both at that time and here on TUG:
“But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.”

How exactly is this bullying. Who have I aggrieved?

 

[TravelTime]

Technically, everyone is putting someone at risk. Unless you stay home 100% and do not order anything into your house at all, you are putting someone at risk.

 

[Cornell]

Fact: Mrs. X went to a restaurant twice and to the mall
Fact: Mrs. X went to a family gathering and hugged and kissed her kids and grandkids (her words not mine)
Fact: She put her loved ones at risk for catching Covid 19

Mrs. X says she’s not afraid of dying.

My response both at that time and here on TUG:
“But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.”

How exactly is this bullying. Who have I aggrieved?

The grandkids are the least at risk of anyone in society (assuming they are healthy). I think the language of "risking the lives of grandkids" is extreme given what we know about the death rate of C19 among people 17 and under (virtually 0%). Influenza is more deadly to children than C19 .

 

[easyrider]

Fact: Mrs. X went to a restaurant twice and to the mall
Fact: Mrs. X went to a family gathering and hugged and kissed her kids and grandkids (her words not mine)
Fact: She put her loved ones at risk for catching Covid 19

Mrs. X says she’s not afraid of dying.

My response both at that time and here on TUG:
“But I kept thinking, what about your grandkids, what about your grandkids. Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids.”

How exactly is this bullying. Who have I aggrieved?

So this is a thread about Carnival Cruise lines ? Why would you bring up risk to grand kids from grand parents other than to make a point ? Points like the one made in your posts could be interpreted as shaming, bullying or maybe political, especially from those that see this risk as minuscule, which it is.

Bill

 

[jehb2]

The grandkids are the least at risk of anyone in society (assuming they are healthy). I think the language of "risking the lives of grandkids" is extreme given what we know about the death rate of C19 among people 17 and under (virtually 0%). Influenza is more deadly to children than C19 .

I’m a mother. My thoughts were with the grandkids. The grandkids and everyone else at the party potentially become vectors for spreading the disease. This is how the disease spreads.

 

[Cornell]

I’m a mother. My thoughts were with the grandkids. The grandkids and everyone else at the party potentially become vectors for spreading the disease. This is how the disease spreads.

Oh, ok You said "Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids " -- that's some pretty dramatic language.

 

[jehb2]

So this is a thread about Carnival Cruise lines ? Why would you bring up risk to grand kids from grand parents other than to make a point ?

This the Internet. Topics tend to changeout. By the time I commented people were already discussing their beliefs about not living in fear. Time travel said she’s glad people are not living in fear. Luanne said she’s tired of hearing that phrase living in fear. Time travel said “I am just happy that many people are willing to take a risk to live life.” Mrs. X’s story is very relevant because she is “willing to take a risk to live life” but her actions also put her love ones at risks.

 

[jehb2]

Oh, ok You said "Are you really okay with risking the lives of your grandkids " -- that's some pretty dramatic language.

It was a Zoom meeting. I didn’t say this. I thought this.

 

[jehb2]

Points like the one made in your posts could be interpreted as shaming, bullying or maybe political, especially from those that see this risk as minuscule, which it is.

So when I say the risk is real, then that “could be interpreted as shaming, bullying or maybe political, especially from those that see this risk as minuscule...”

But when you say the risk is minuscule that’s not “shaming, bullying or maybe political” of those who see this risk as real.

 

[easyrider]

So when I say the risk is real, then that “could be interpreted as shaming, bullying or maybe political, especially from those that see this risk as minuscule...”

But when you say the risk is minuscule that’s not “shaming, bullying or maybe political” of those who see this risk as real.

I will pm you. BTW, I do like your posts and know that you were just posting like every one else.

Bill

 

[pedro47]

I feel Carnival Cruise Lines top brass does not liked reading this thread. LOL

 

[Luanne]

I feel Carnival Cruise Lines top brass does not liked reading this thread. LOL

I would be surprised of the top brass of Carnival, or any cruise line, would be reading comments on TUG. If they hang out anywhere I'd bet it's Cruise Critic.

 

[TravelTime]

So when I say the risk is real, then that “could be interpreted as shaming, bullying or maybe political, especially from those that see this risk as minuscule...”

But when you say the risk is minuscule that’s not “shaming, bullying or maybe political” of those who see this risk as real.

I would like to compliment you on remaining calm in responding to people who challenged you. You have not gotten defensive or name called anyone. You were expressing your experience and your opinion when you spoke about the woman. You are right that the shaming can go both ways and pointing out one’s opinion in a calm way does not necessarily constitute shaming. I think it is noble that when people do not agree or they miscommunicate on TUG that people can remain nice. Thank you for being nice!