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Holy crap, that bumps right up to the first proposed sailings!

Buy your cancel-for-any-reason trip insurance, folks!
If it's even still being offered. I have no knowledge, but have read some rumors that insurance companies may drop this option, or price it really high.
 

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Holy crap, that bumps right up to the first proposed sailings!

Buy your cancel-for-any-reason trip insurance, folks!
If a cruise cancels, the cruise lines are providing 100% refunds or additional bonus of future cruise credit if you don't take the refund. Travel Insurance for cancellation would be a waste of money. If we were to cruise, it certainly wouldn't be out of a port we had to fly to. Cruise lines have been far more accomodating with cancelled cruise sailings than the airlines have been with cancelled flights. Yet the cruise lines continue to get dumped on but the airlines get bailed out.
 

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Even before covid, airplanes were always a place where people got sick. You are closer to other people on an airplane than on a cruise ship. Not trying to defend either but just adding to the above point that cruise lines are getting dumped on. And I am not a cruiser.
 

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Even before covid, airplanes were always a place where people got sick. You are closer to other people on an airplane than on a cruise ship. Not trying to defend either but just adding to the above point that cruise lines are getting dumped on. And I am not a cruiser.
I think the problem is you are closer to these people for a longer period of time on a cruise ship.
 

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If it's even still being offered. I have no knowledge, but have read some rumors that insurance companies may drop this option, or price it really high.
heck, I wouldn't offer it! But, if I were booking that early of a cruise, I'd be looking for it!
 

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If a cruise cancels, the cruise lines are providing 100% refunds or additional bonus of future cruise credit if you don't take the refund. Travel Insurance for cancellation would be a waste of money. If we were to cruise, it certainly wouldn't be out of a port we had to fly to. Cruise lines have been far more accomodating with cancelled cruise sailings than the airlines have been with cancelled flights. Yet the cruise lines continue to get dumped on but the airlines get bailed out.
I don't live anywhere near a port city, so drive-to isn't a reasonable option. My first cruise, lucky we bought air through the cruise line, as the plane coming to get us was delayed elsewhere. We missed sailaway, caught up middle of next day, after many flights and an overnight stay sans luggage. For me, it's not just the cruise that can be problematic. Lost luggage would be bad, too.
 

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If a cruise cancels, the cruise lines are providing 100% refunds or additional bonus of future cruise credit if you don't take the refund. Travel Insurance for cancellation would be a waste of money. If we were to cruise, it certainly wouldn't be out of a port we had to fly to. Cruise lines have been far more accomodating with cancelled cruise sailings than the airlines have been with cancelled flights. Yet the cruise lines continue to get dumped on but the airlines get bailed out.
Air is part of our infrastructure, cruises aren't. Barges are commerce, cruises are vacation. I think there is also some ... unease? with ships refusing to flag US. So, if they don't pay taxes here, why would taxpayers bail them out? I get it, they need to operate in ways they see fit and make a margin. I think NCL is the only US? From the little I follow things like this, I mostly see NCL panned as not as good of a cruise experience. I recall wonderful service but have heard NCL staff is not so courteous and eager to please. I dunno, kinda fits some of the Ugly American stuff....

Agree also on which is kinder on cancels. I hate flying. Always have. Do it as little as possible.

US employees of cruise lines should be getting unemployment if they were laid off, so maybe not the companies, but at least some US staff are getting support.
 

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I have heard the NCL flies a flag from Bermuda.
 

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A friend of mine posted an article on FB (about 4 days ago) called "The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them", by Erin Bromage, an associate professor of Biology at Dartmouth. This is a quote from that article: "When you think of outbreak clusters, what are the big ones that come to mind? Most people would go to the cruise ships. But you would be wrong. Ship outbreaks don't even land in the top 50 outbreaks to date." The article goes on to mention that the biggest outbreaks to date (outside of nursing homes) are in prisons, workplaces like meat packing facilities and call centers, and religious ceremonies like weddings and funerals. Business networking conferences also account for some large outbreaks. Anyway, it is an easy and interesting read.

I certainly have no expertise to evaluate the statements in the article, but it seems as though cruise ships might not be that bad with regard to the virus, at least compared to other environments. Not saying I am ready to board a ship now or even in August, but we have a preexisting reservation for a cruise after Thanksgiving, and for now, are holding on to it. I am not surprised others are ready to at least consider going sooner and are making that apparent by making reservations.

We all shall see...
 

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Air is part of our infrastructure, cruises aren't. Barges are commerce, cruises are vacation. I think there is also some ... unease? with ships refusing to flag US. So, if they don't pay taxes here, why would taxpayers bail them out? I get it, they need to operate in ways they see fit and make a margin. I think NCL is the only US? From the little I follow things like this, I mostly see NCL panned as not as good of a cruise experience. I recall wonderful service but have heard NCL staff is not so courteous and eager to please. I dunno, kinda fits some of the Ugly American stuff....

Agree also on which is kinder on cancels. I hate flying. Always have. Do it as little as possible.

US employees of cruise lines should be getting unemployment if they were laid off, so maybe not the companies, but at least some US staff are getting support.
The discussion isn't necessarily around who gets bailed out or not, but while the cruise lines don't pay much in corporate income tax, the airlines aren't far behind. They paid about 3.5% of their income in 2019. Both industries support millions of jobs outside of their companies. Farmers are destroying crops and dumping products because both cruise lines and restaurants are shuttered and not buying. Airlines should have been made to go out to the capital markets like the cruise lines did and raise cash. Airlines made a net profit of about $30B in 2019. I don't know exactly how much the cruise lines combined in profit, but it is probably about the same. Given that, if cruise lines could raise money on the capital markets, there is no need for the US taxpayer to bail out airlines.

We have sailed on NCL three times. We have no problem with the service on their cruise ships vs the other cruise lines. We however have never sailed on Pride of America, which is 100% US based employees. It also sails out of Hawaii, so much of its workforce may be based in Hawaii, I don't know. We have traveled to Hawaii several times and the service is okay, but not great.

US employees of cruise lines AND airlines should be getting unemployment if they were laid off.
 

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"bookings skyrocketed 600% over 3 days after the announcement. That was in comparison to the 3 days prior to the announcement. "

Yeah, I would think they went up from a time that they weren't allowed to sail, to after the announcement was made that they could sail. I mean was anyone booking any cruises before the announcement was made?

yes !
I didn't click the link but the % is probably meaningless, I doubt anyone was booking cruises the last couple of weeks prior to the announcement
 

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I mean was anyone booking any cruises before the announcement was made?
Yes, we did. Last week we booked a cruise for Oct, 2021. They have some great deals going on right now.

Kurt
 

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Yes, we did. Last week we booked a cruise for Oct, 2021. They have some great deals going on right now.

Kurt
So when they take your number and add 600%..........................
 

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So when they take your number and add 600%..........................
Yeah, that 600% "increase" really meant nothing. In the original article that started this thread, they referenced the same 600%:

Carnival bookings shot up 600 percent compared to the previous 3 days before the news. That makes sense, but more interestingly, it's a 200 percent increase over the same time period in 2019 -- when folks traveled without fear of the novel coronavirus.

But the 200% increase, being over the same time period last year, is a bit more significant and informative.

Kurt
 

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Would this be the same, "informed adults", that insisted that this was just the flu? What happened to those people?
for those who are low risk and without co-morbidities, it is like a flu. This is from an Israeli study:
"The third assumption is that case fatality among people aged 20-49 years is very low. According to Verity et al. the proportions of cases hospitalized among patients aged 20-29, 30-39 and 40-49 in China were 1%, 3.4% and 4.3%, respectively. Case fatality ratios (CFR) estimated for these ages in Wuhan were 0.03%, 0.08% and 0.16% respectively (15). Similar age specific CFRs were reported in South-Korea. Though Verity et al. did account for age differential under-ascertainment and the Korean data is based on very meticulous surveillance, the real extent of under-ascertainment may be lower and can be estimated only after availability serologic data. It should also be considered that these case fatalities include patients with co-morbidities even in the younger ages. "

 

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We re-booked our Alaska land/cruise trip originally scheduled for Sept 2020 and cancelled by Princess, for Sept 2021. We got the last of the cabins in our desired category. I suspect that sailing is fully sold out now. Other than a small fully refundable deposit, payment isn't due until June 2021. Depends where we are with C-19 by then, we will either go or cancel. Being in the high risk group we are being prudent with our activities.

Ingrid
 

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I do not judge people who wish to stay at home. I am just happy that many people are willing to take a risk to live life.
A lady at one of my zoom groups said she wasn’t afraid of dying. She went to A Mother’s Day brunch at her sons house. She said she kissed and hugged everybody. I thought, she’s not afraid of dying. But is she OK with killing her kids and her grandkids.

I‘m not living in fear. I simply am not taking chances with my kids’ lives. And I choose to not put myself in a position where I will leave my kids motherless.
 

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for those who are low risk and without co-morbidities, it is like a flu. This is from an Israeli study:
"The third assumption is that case fatality among people aged 20-49 years is very low. According to Verity et al. the proportions of cases hospitalized among patients aged 20-29, 30-39 and 40-49 in China were 1%, 3.4% and 4.3%, respectively. Case fatality ratios (CFR) estimated for these ages in Wuhan were 0.03%, 0.08% and 0.16% respectively (15). Similar age specific CFRs were reported in South-Korea. Though Verity et al. did account for age differential under-ascertainment and the Korean data is based on very meticulous surveillance, the real extent of under-ascertainment may be lower and can be estimated only after availability serologic data. It should also be considered that these case fatalities include patients with co-morbidities even in the younger ages. "


The USA has lost 80,000 people in 8 weeks. This is not "the flu". It's just not.
 
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