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Can someone explain what do they mean by Points are Points ?

So then if I were to purchase lets say, 4800 resale points for the LV Flamingo, and I didn't plan on using the Flamingo as my "Home Resort", would there be an advantage to buying Platinum points vs Gold points if the MF costs were identical but the cost of the points were higher for the Platinum points?

You wouldn't get 4800 points with a gold season, those are platinum 1 br points. Gold is 3400.

Study the point values, the link is at the bottom of the list on the right.

http://www.hgvclubprogram.com/resort/the-flamingo-las-vegas-nevada/

If you buy a platinum week, you have enough points to stay two weeks in silver season.
 
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1 BR Platinum is 4800 points 1 BR Gold is 3500 Points

So then if I were to purchase lets say, 4800 resale points for the LV Flamingo, and I didn't plan on using the Flamingo as my "Home Resort", would there be an advantage to buying Platinum points vs Gold points if the MF costs were identical but the cost of the points were higher for the Platinum points?

1 Br Platinum is 4800 points, 1 BR gold is 3500 points. That is the advantage to paying more for the Platinum Season. The maintenance fees are identical, buy you get more points each year forever.
 
So then if I were to purchase lets say, 4800 resale points for the LV Flamingo, and I didn't plan on using the Flamingo as my "Home Resort", would there be an advantage to buying Platinum points vs Gold points if the MF costs were identical but the cost of the points were higher for the Platinum points?

Perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be a gold 2 br Vegas with 5000 annual points. The upfront cost may be $2000-$3500 with an annual MF of $900-$1000 depending on the property.

A platinum 1 br Vegas with 4800 annual points would probably have a higher upfront cost (no comps on ebay so I am not sure what the going price would be) but the MF would be $650-$700. You would be getting 200 fewer points each year.
 
1 Br Platinum is 4800 points, 1 BR gold is 3500 points. That is the advantage to paying more for the Platinum Season. The maintenance fees are identical, buy you get more points each year forever.

Ok so maybe I'm confused how points work then. Someone correct me if I have this wrong. During the "Home Week", you can only reserve at your Home resort 12-9 months out. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons determines when you can reserve and how many points it will cost you for a specific room size.

During the Club reservation period, you can reserve beginning 9 months out and you compete with anyone within the HGV point system. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons don't matter except for how much it will cost you in points to reserve the size room you want and what it costs at the resort you choose.

Do I have that correct?
 
Ok so maybe I'm confused how points work then. Someone correct me if I have this wrong. During the "Home Week", you can only reserve at your Home resort 12-9 months out. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons determines when you can reserve and how many points it will cost you for a specific room size.

During the Club reservation period, you can reserve beginning 9 months out and you compete with anyone within the HGV point system. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons don't matter except for how much it will cost you in points to reserve the size room you want and what it costs at the resort you choose.

Do I have that correct?

Just for clarity on your first question during Home season. You can only book what you own. If you own a platinum 2 BR week, then you can book a platinum week. If you own platinum 2BR and want to book a Gold 2BR week, you have to wait until the Club season 9 month mark. Also if you thinking you are wanting to save some points by booking less than a full week, or by booking a smaller unit than what you own you must also only book at the Club season mark. So you have first dibs during home season for the 7 night stay in the exact size of unit and season of unit that you own.

Club season you are ok in your understanding. I just didn't think you got full clarity on home season. Maybe it was just how you worded it.
 
Just for clarity on your first question during Home season. You can only book what you own. If you own a platinum 2 BR week, then you can book a platinum week. If you own platinum 2BR and want to book a Gold 2BR week, you have to wait until the Club season 9 month mark. Also if you thinking you are wanting to save some points by booking less than a full week, or by booking a smaller unit than what you own you must also only book at the Club season mark. So you have first dibs during home season for the 7 night stay in the exact size of unit and season of unit that you own.

Club season you are ok in your understanding. I just didn't think you got full clarity on home season. Maybe it was just how you worded it.

Quick question- if you own a lock off can you reserve just one portion during home season or reserve the whole thing but then later lock off and only keep half and use the other half as points in the club season?
 
Value of Season

Ok so maybe I'm confused how points work then. Someone correct me if I have this wrong. During the "Home Week", you can only reserve at your Home resort 12-9 months out. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons determines when you can reserve and how many points it will cost you for a specific room size.

During the Club reservation period, you can reserve beginning 9 months out and you compete with anyone within the HGV point system. Platinum, Gold, Silver, and Bronze seasons don't matter except for how much it will cost you in points to reserve the size room you want and what it costs at the resort you choose.

Do I have that correct?

Sandy gave you an excellent explanation of the first part of your note concerning the 12-9 month window. However, I am not sure that the second part of your question indicates the Value of the Season you purchase. It doesn't cost you more points to reserve at the resort you choose. You get less points when you purchase Gold, Silver or Bronze.
 
Just for clarity on your first question during Home season. You can only book what you own. If you own a platinum 2 BR week, then you can book a platinum week. If you own platinum 2BR and want to book a Gold 2BR week, you have to wait until the Club season 9 month mark. Also if you thinking you are wanting to save some points by booking less than a full week, or by booking a smaller unit than what you own you must also only book at the Club season mark. So you have first dibs during home season for the 7 night stay in the exact size of unit and season of unit that you own.

Club season you are ok in your understanding. I just didn't think you got full clarity on home season. Maybe it was just how you worded it.

My understanding is correct, just didn't explain it well.

So this was my original question.

If I'm in the market for resale points, and I find a Gold season package of 5000 points cheaper than a Platinum package of 4800 points (both point totals would allow me to reserve a Platinum 1BR for 1 week at most resorts during Club season) and the MF is the same, is there any reason not to buy the Gold package points over the Platinum package points if I don't care to reserve time during the Home season at my home resort?

I hope I finally phrased it clearly. :whoopie:
 
Yes buy the 5000 Point Gold Package

My understanding is correct, just didn't explain it well.

So this was my original question.

If I'm in the market for resale points, and I find a Gold season package of 5000 points cheaper than a Platinum package of 4800 points (both point totals would allow me to reserve a Platinum 1BR for 1 week at most resorts during Club season) and the MF is the same, is there any reason not to buy the Gold package points over the Platinum package points if I don't care to reserve time during the Home season at my home resort?

I hope I finally phrased it clearly. :whoopie:

The way you word it, I agree with you buying the 5000 point 2 BR Gold package for less money and the same maintenance as the 4800 point 1 BR Platinum package. Of course this would have to be at different resorts, but the home resort per your statement is not an issue. However, for the same maintenance per year you could buy a 7000 point 2 BR package at the resort with the 1BR 4800 point package. That would be 2000 more points per year forever for the same maintenance.
 
What is 2000 Points Worth every year?

The way you word it, I agree with you buying the 5000 point 2 BR Gold package for less money and the same maintenance as the 4800 point 1 BR Platinum package. Of course this would have to be at different resorts, but the home resort per your statement is not an issue. However, for the same maintenance per year you could buy a 7000 point 2 BR package at the resort with the 1BR 4800 point package. That would be 2000 more points per year forever for the same maintenance.

What is 2000 points worth? It is almost enough for 6 nights during Platinum Season in a Studio. It is 4 extra week days in a 1 BR during Platinum Season. It is about 9 nights during Gold Season in a Studio. Just some thoughts on the added value of Platinum.
 
Hi,

Wow, many answers so far. Now that I understand the idea, can someone help me clarify something.

I understand points are points. Let say I own a vegas 7000pts platinum. Now, when I will want to trade on hilton network, for let say hawaii, would my 7000points vegas be the same as a 7000points Orlando ? What i mean is, do I have more chance of getting week in Hawaii if I own the vegas or the orlando resort ?

Thanks
 
My understanding is correct, just didn't explain it well.

So this was my original question.

If I'm in the market for resale points, and I find a Gold season package of 5000 points cheaper than a Platinum package of 4800 points (both point totals would allow me to reserve a Platinum 1BR for 1 week at most resorts during Club season) and the MF is the same, is there any reason not to buy the Gold package points over the Platinum package points if I don't care to reserve time during the Home season at my home resort?

I hope I finally phrased it clearly. :whoopie:

You won't find a gold 5000 point (2 br) with same maint fees as a plat 4800 (1br).
 
Hi,

Wow, many answers so far. Now that I understand the idea, can someone help me clarify something.

I understand points are points. Let say I own a vegas 7000pts platinum. Now, when I will want to trade on hilton network, for let say hawaii, would my 7000points vegas be the same as a 7000points Orlando ? What i mean is, do I have more chance of getting week in Hawaii if I own the vegas or the orlando resort ?

Thanks

You are back to the subject of this thread, 7000 points booking at 9 months gets you whatever is available, the underlying resort you own has no bearing. It's not like RCI or Interval where your deposit has different trade power, with HGVC at 9 months Points are Points!
 
Hi,

Wow, many answers so far. Now that I understand the idea, can someone help me clarify something.

I understand points are points. Let say I own a vegas 7000pts platinum. Now, when I will want to trade on hilton network, for let say hawaii, would my 7000points vegas be the same as a 7000points Orlando ? What i mean is, do I have more chance of getting week in Hawaii if I own the vegas or the orlando resort ?

Thanks

You are back to the subject of this thread, 7000 points booking at 9 months gets you whatever is available, the underlying resort you own has no bearing. It's not like RCI or Interval where your deposit has different trade power, with HGVC at 9 months Points are Points!

As previously posted, several times, once you reach your 9month window, CLUB SEASON, all points are CLUB POINTS. At that point, there is no such thing as Hawaii points or Las Vegas points. We all have CLUB POINTS and it doesn't matter which resort they come from.
 
As previously posted, several times, once you reach your 9month window, CLUB SEASON, all points are CLUB POINTS. At that point, there is no such thing as Hawaii points or Las Vegas points. We all have CLUB POINTS and it doesn't matter which resort they come from.

I understand... but ... who decide if I get the Ts or not in the club season...
 
I understand... but ... who decide if I get the Ts or not in the club season...

You do. You can book the day that the 9 month window opens at any resort. You are in full control of booking. If you wait, other members may take your desired reservation before you do.
 
You do. You can book the day that the 9 month window opens at any resort. You are in full control of booking. If you wait, other members may take your desired reservation before you do.

Presley, so it is a Point is Points and first come first serve right ? If it is, does most of HGVC resorts usually has availability on the first day of the 9th month or are they pretty much booked by Home Reservation ? I am mostly 'spotting' resorts in Hawaii and Mexico around the weeks 7-11...

Thanks
 
You do. You can book the day that the 9 month window opens at any resort. You are in full control of booking. If you wait, other members may take your desired reservation before you do.

One more question, When in a year does the Club and Home reservation start date ? Is it a fexed period year after year ?

Thanks
 
Oahu is the hardest of the locations to book reservations, specifically the Lagoon and Kalia towers as they are lower point options than GW tower. But that being said, if you are booking at exactly the first day you are permitted in club season then yes you likely should find what you want.

Big Island has a lot more availability and they can be booked often well into the club season and often open season.

I can't comment on Mexico as these units are not available online. You have to call to obtain this. I do not know if FA has inventory available exactly at the 9 month mark.

You might have better success with mexico by making a deposit into SFX and trying to obtain a Grupo Mayan Resort or other resort via SFX. They have lots of inventory for Mexico. If I want Mexico this is the route that I take.

Regarding the 9 month club season date. You need to read the member guide for specific wording, but what happens is that your entire stay needs to be within the 9 month mark, not just the checkin date. This causes for issues when trying to book a longer stay. You do run the risk of someone picking off the earlier part of your stay. I have heard of others paying for a changeable phone reservation, and then calling and changing the reservation to get the extra day added. This has to be done if there is only the single unit you want available.

So home is exactly 12 months from your checkout date, and Club is exactly 9 months. I usually go online and look at what is available now at the 9 month mark. That give me insight on how the online system treats those dates. There are a could of anomalies during the year. Like end of February which has 28 days and 9 months later, which would correspond to the end of November. I think that on the 28th of feb, the rest of nov dates beyond 28th, also become available.

Changeable online reservation use the newer revolution system. You have NO choice over this. Revolution does not look at your current booking when displaying changes to reservations. So if there is NO additional units to book, you will be forced to call reservation to get the extra day added. If there are units available, you could just switch a 3 day ressie for a 4 day one. For very high demand locations like Lagoon Tower this often proves to be an issues.
 
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Hi Sandy,

Ok, if I understand it right, the Home and club reservation start period are all different for everyone that owns a HGVC TS , correct ?

So you are saying that my home period start 12 months as soon as I check out and 9 months is about 90 days after I check out... correct ?

Considering I do not own a HGVC at this time and decide to buy from resale, what determines my Home and club date ?

What happen if one year I decide not booking anything, what are the consequence on the home and club start date ?

Many thanks for your help

Bo



Oahu is the hardest of the locations to book reservations, specifically the Lagoon and Kalia towers as they are lower point options than GW tower. But that being said, if you are booking at exactly the first day you are permitted in club season then yes you likely should find what you want.

Big Island has a lot more availability and they can be booked often well into the open season.

I can't comment on Mexico as these units are not available online. You have to call to obtain this. I do not know if FA has inventory available exactly at the 9 month mark.

You might have better success with mexico by making a deposit into SFX and trying to obtain a Grupo Mayan Resort or other resort via SFX. They have lots of inventory for Mexico. If I want Mexico this is the route that I take.

Regarding the 9 month club season date. You need to read the member guide for specific wording, but what happens is that your entire stay needs to be within the 9 month mark, not just the checkin date. This causes for issues when trying to book a longer stay. You do run the risk of someone picking off the earlier part of your stay. I have heard of others paying for a changeable phone reservation, and then calling and changing the reservation to get the extra day added. This has to be done if there is only the single unit you want available.

So home is exactly 12 months from your checkout date, and Club is exactly 9 months. I usually go online and look at what is available now at the 9 month mark. That give me insight on how the online system treats those dates. There are a could of anomalies during the year. Like end of February which has 28 days and 9 months later, which would correspond to the end of November. I think that on the 28th of feb, the rest of nov dates beyond 28th, also become available.

Changeable online reservation use the newer revolution system. You have NO choice over this. Revolution does not look at your current booking when displaying changes to reservations. So if there is NO additional units to book, you will be forced to call reservation to get the extra day added. If there are units available, you could just switch a 3 day ressie for a 4 day one. For very high demand locations like Lagoon Tower this often proves to be an issues.
 
Hi Sandy,

Ok, if I understand it right, the Home and club reservation start period are all different for everyone that owns a HGVC TS , correct ?

So you are saying that my home period start 12 months as soon as I check out and 9 months is about 90 days after I check out... correct ?

Considering I do not own a HGVC at this time and decide to buy from resale, what determines my Home and club date ?

What happen if one year I decide not booking anything, what are the consequence on the home and club start date ?

Many thanks for your help

Bo

Your not understanding this, or at least I am not thinking you are getting this based on how your phrasing of your statements.

The 12 months and 9 months windows are not based on your last checkout date, but are 12 and 9 months forward from today. The catch is that 12 and 9 month forward window have to include the entire duration of your stay, up to your checkout day.

So let me try this again, with an example.

Home and club booking window dates have nothing to do with what you OWN, and everything to do with WHEN you want to travel. WHEN you want to travel and book something, that DATE dictates the 12 month and 9 month window. It is a rolling window, not a fixed window.

The dates are different for every day of the year. Your use year is based on ownership, what year you use the point from is based on ownership. You either use the points to book something in your use year, or you pay to rescue them (during the current use year into the next use year), or your borrow them for free (from a future use year), or you pay to deposit them (prior to the start of a use year, into the next use year). Rescue and Deposit come with a cost. Borrowing is always free.

You are confusing use year, with booking window. Two different things. Use year in HGVC is always a calendar year. Booking windows, well with 365 days in a year, there are 365 different dates, depending on the dates you want to book.

HOME resort booking window opens at the 12 month mark for 3 a month period, thus allowing owners at that resort first dibs on booking what exactly they own at their resort. So lets say if I own in Hawaii, and I wanted to book March 3rd, 2015 for a week stay in what I owned. I could that today. I'd be using my 2015 points to do it. You can only use regular points for HOME resort bookings, you can't use Rescued or Deposited points. So I would have to use next years points during home season. If I had point remaining for this year but did NOT intend to use them this year, then I'd have to rescue them and pay for that option.

You only have 1 HOME opportunity to book a week for each week you own in HGVC. Obviously you can't use the same home priority twice in the same year, because you will use those points up when you book the home week.

If I wanted to book Hawaii during CLUB season, and you have 2014 points remaining or you want to borrow from 2015 (and you don't need your home priority for next year), today I would be able to book a stay from now to a check out of Dec 10, 2014, obviously provided there is availability. Right now there is availability during the first 10 days of December.

I think you need to read (or reread) through the new files that explain HGVC that just got posted.
 
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Your not understanding this, or at least I am not thinking you are getting this based on how your phrasing of your statements.

The 12 months and 9 months windows are not based on your last checkout date, but are 12 and 9 months forward from today. The catch is that 12 and 9 month forward window have to include the entire duration of your stay, up to your checkout day.

So let me try this again, with an example.

Home and club booking window dates have nothing to do with what you OWN, and everything to do with WHEN you want to travel. WHEN you want to travel and book something, that DATE dictates the 12 month and 9 month window. It is a rolling window, not a fixed window.

The dates are different for every day of the year. Your use year is based on ownership, what year you use the point from is based on ownership. You either use the points to book something in your use year, or you pay to rescue them (during the current use year into the next use year), or your borrow them for free (from a future use year), or you pay to deposit them (prior to the start of a use year, into the next use year). Rescue and Deposit come with a cost. Borrowing is always free.

You are confusing use year, with booking window. Two different things. Use year in HGVC is always a calendar year. Booking windows, well with 365 days in a year, there are 365 different dates, depending on the dates you want to book.

HOME resort booking window opens at the 12 month mark for 3 a month period, thus allowing owners at that resort first dibs on booking what exactly they own at their resort. So lets say if I own in Hawaii, and I wanted to book March 3rd, 2015 for a week stay in what I owned. I could that today. I'd be using my 2015 points to do it. You can only use regular points for HOME resort bookings, you can't use Rescued or Deposited points. So I would have to use next years points during home season. If I had point remaining for this year but did intend to use them this year, then I'd have to rescue them and pay for that option.

You only have 1 HOME opportunity to book a week for each week you own in HGVC. Obviously you can't use the same home priority twice in the same year, because you will use those points up when you book the home week.

If I wanted to book Hawaii during CLUB season, and you have 2014 points remaining or you want to borrow from 2015 (and you don't need your home priority for next year), today I would be able to book a stay from now to a check out of Dec 10, 2014, obviously provided there is availability. Right now there is availability during the first 10 days of December.

I think you need to read (or reread) through the new files that explain HGVC that just got posted.

Sandy,

With your answer, I now totally understand what you are trying to explain. :D:

How much does it cost rescue or or deposit ? And how long does the deposit points stay in bank ?

Thanks
 
Sandy,

With your answer, I now totally understand what you are trying to explain. :D:

How much does it cost rescue or or deposit ? And how long does the deposit points stay in bank ?

Thanks

Wow, I just looked and it went way up. It was $49 and now it is $76 transaction fee to deposit or rescue. They are good for one additional use year.

I do think I heard, but I have not tried myself that you could deposit points one year into the next year. Then the next year you could rescue them for an additional use year. There would be a transaction charge each year, but it sounds like it could be done.

From a fee perspective it is far cheaper to allows be in a borrow position and not in a rescue or deposit position.
 
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Wow, I just looked and it went way up. It was $49 and now it is $76 transaction fee to deposit or rescue.

Ok, My understanding:

I have 7000 points in hand for 2014. I decide I go to a 4800 points resort in 2014, this leaves me 2200 points unused. In 2015, I go to somewhere that cost me 12 000 points. I take the 7000 and rescue 2200 and borrow 2800 from 2016. Is that right ? And for doind this, it will cost me 76$ ? Does it impact my MF as well since I did not used all the points ?

Can I buy points ? If yes, how much are they ?

I also understand that as soon as I borrow points, I fall out of my HOME period...

Thanks
 
Ok, My understanding:

I have 7000 points in hand for 2014. I decide I go to a 4800 points resort in 2014, this leaves me 2200 points unused. In 2015, I go to somewhere that cost me 12 000 points. I take the 7000 and rescue 2200 and borrow 2800 from 2016. Is that right ? And for doind this, it will cost me 76$ ? Does it impact my MF as well since I did not used all the points ?

Can I buy points ? If yes, how much are they ? I also understand that as soon as I borrow points, I fall out of my HOME period...

Thanks

Yes that is correct in your understanding of your scenario. You could rescue and borrow points and use them in the same transactions. Actually the HGVC site automatically uses rescue points first, then regular points, then borrows points. It is smart enough to do that. Oh do note that you will have to pay to rescue $76 and you will also have to pay for a reservation $49.

Just note you must rescue before the points expire at the end of the use year.

You pay your MFs at the end of the year for the next year. For all HGVC specific built resorts you can borrow from next year without having to prepay your MFs, provided you are in good standing (all your MFs are current and paid). I own at an affiliate (Bay Club) that forces you to pay an estimate of your next year MFs first, then they make the points available for you and then you can borrow. So for most resorts, you pay your MFs on a schedule, regardless on when you use the underlying points (with some resort exceptions).

No HGVC had no mechanism to rent any additional points in a single year. (Wyndham for example does offer this option, but HGVC does not). The only way to do this is to purchase more point contracts.

Correct, as soon as you borrow you give up your home priority option.

I think you are getting there. Did you read the new HGVC reference materials that just got upgraded?
 
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