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Can someone explain what do they mean by Points are Points ?

Sandy,

I think I understand HGVC a lot more than a few days ago from all members help and particularly yours. I think I understand the basic about exchanging inside HGVC system, all the points etc...

Now, since inside HGVC, points are points, RCI is something else I guess.

I understand that Hilton has set specific points for RCI requirements and because I own a HGVC, I have access to Everything on RCI. Now, within Hilton exchange, desirability of a resort is not very important as points are points and you get to book what's available ( it is not really exchanging) , on a first come first serve basis.

My concern now about RCI, I guess someone has to deposit their week in order for me to ''exchange'' with them. So I if I am not wrong, desirability of my resort is now really important on RCI, not only points... am I right ?

Bo



Yes that is correct in your understanding of your scenario. You could rescue and borrow points and use them in the same transactions. Actually the HGVC site automatically uses rescue points first, then regular points, then borrows points. It is smart enough to do that. Oh do note that you will have to pay to rescue $76 and you will also have to pay for a reservation $49.

Just note you must rescue before the points expire at the end of the use year.

You pay your MFs at the end of the year for the next year. For all HGVC specific built resorts you can borrow from next year without having to prepay your MFs, provided you are in good standing (all your MFs are current and paid). I own at an affiliate (Bay Club) that forces you to pay an estimate of your next year MFs first, then they make the points available for you and then you can borrow. So for most resorts, you pay your MFs on a schedule, regardless on when you use the underlying points (with some resort exceptions).

No HGVC had no mechanism to rent any additional points in a single year. (Wyndham for example does offer this option, but HGVC does not). The only way to do this is to purchase more point contracts.

Correct, as soon as you borrow you give up your home priority option.

I think you are getting there. Did you read the new HGVC reference materials that just got upgraded?
 
Sandy,

I think I understand HGVC a lot more than a few days ago from all members help and particularly yours. I think I understand the basic about exchanging inside HGVC system, all the points etc...

Now, since inside HGVC, points are points, RCI is something else I guess.

I understand that Hilton has set specific points for RCI requirements and because I own a HGVC, I have access to Everything on RCI. Now, within Hilton exchange, desirability of a resort is not very important as points are points and you get to book what's available ( it is not really exchanging) , on a first come first serve basis.

My concern now about RCI, I guess someone has to deposit their week in order for me to ''exchange'' with them. So I if I am not wrong, desirability of my resort is now really important on RCI, not only points... am I right ?

Bo

Yes HGVC points requirements are a fixed grid in RCI, always. Which is not a plus for last minute bookings, but is fine for a lot of other bookings. It is especially a good deal on some studio units in high demand places.

Your are incorrect in your statement that you have access to all in RCI. Actually HGVC limits you to better quality resorts, so you have a subset of the better resorts, and a filter to remove the lower quality resorts.

You are correct in that RCI is going to be a supply issue. You can't get what is not available. Harder locations I would always suggest to be flexible and start an ongoing search in RCI. You have a better chance of getting what you want that way. But you are incorrect in that you must have desirability in your home resort. HGVC has an odd arrangement with RCI, and it is not really a demand aspect, obvious not since the points requirements never change, they are always the fixed grid. So with HGVC you get a very high trade priority, but you still can't get an exchange if the resort is never deposited. It does not matter where you own, HGVC as a group gets the same demand, priority and points regardless of actual property ownership.
 
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Your are incorrect in your statement that you have access to all in RCI. Actually HGVC limits you to better quality resorts, so you have a subset of the better resorts, and a filter to remove the lower quality resorts.

You are correct in that RCI is going to be a supply issue. You can't get what is not available. Harder locations I would always suggest to be flexible and start an ongoing search in RCI. .

But I WANT the system where I CAN get what's not available. :p
 
Don't we all.

I am on the resale market and I was wondering something. Some timeshare, like the HGVC Flamingo, are sold as Platinum but also has a specific week. The ads says - Flamingo 7000pts bla bla bla Platinum, Red, Week 13 ...

My understanding is that Platinum is a timeframe from a certain week to another, then why do they mention the exact week ?

Bo
 
But I WANT the system where I CAN get what's not available. :p

How crazy is it that a filter is put in place that assumes you won't want certain resorts and doesn't let you see them?
 
How crazy is it that a filter is put in place that assumes you won't want certain resorts and doesn't let you see them?

I think that early in their shared history, HGVC put people into RCI exchanges then got all kinds of calls and complaints about how some of these resorts were substandard to the HGVC quality of resort.

So at some point they put a quality filter on and don't even show you less quality resorts. How they determine that, other than Gold crown or other designations, or perhaps via review ratings provided by guests.

It is not a bad idea, except when the one place you need to get to only offers a lesser quality resort. In that case if you ask, they might arrange the trade, but they will warn you if you are unhappy, there is no recourse with RCI and HGVC.
 
How crazy is it that a filter is put in place that assumes you won't want certain resorts and doesn't let you see them?
My 1st TS is/was the Grandview in Las Vegas, 80K annual RCI Points. The HGVC TS's in RCI are by far the best TS's in RCI. For the most part, most of the TS's in RCI are dump's, which do not match the quality of HGVC. I have been primarily using my RCI Points to exchange for HGVC TS's and to get the Jockey Club on the Las Vegas Strip over New Years (got a 2-BR for 2014/2015 :banana:).

I currently own a Marriott TS (II) and a HGVC TS (RCI). I use the Marriott to exchange for other Marriott's and for Weston's. I use the HGVC exclusively for other HGVC properties. The Marriott's, Weston's, and HGVC's, far surpass anything else in RCI.

So, my point is that I don't thing I'd be interested in any of the properties that HGVC doesn't allow me to see in RCI. I can already see them using my RCI Points account and I'm not interested.
 
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My 1st TS is/was the Grandview in Las Vegas, 80K annual RCI Points. The HGVC TS's in RCI are by far the best TS's in RCI. For the most part, most of the TS's in RCI are dump's, which do not match the quality of HGVC. I have been primarily using my RCI Points to exchange for HGVC TS's and to get the Jockey Club on the Las Vegas Strip over New Years (got a 2-BR for 2014/2015 :banana:).

I currently own a Marriott TS (II) and a HGVC TS (RCI). I use the Marriott to exchange for other Marriott's and for Weston's. I use the HGVC exclusively for other HGVC properties. The Marriott's, Weston's, and HGVC's, far surpass anything else in RCI.

So, my point is that I don't thing I'd be interested in any of the properties that HGVC doesn't allow me to see in RCI. I can already see them using my RCI Points account and I'm not interested.

You might not be interested but others like me might be.

If I want to go to an area for a vaca, I would like to see all the resorts the exchange company has available so I can make a choice on exact location and things of that nature. I can then check out the resorts to see it they'd be suitable to me.

I don't need some computer to decide those things for me and possibly eliminate a resort that might be perfect for me that particular week.
 
If I want to go to an area for a vaca, I would like to see all the resorts the exchange company has available so I can make a choice on exact location and things of that nature. I can then check out the resorts to see it they'd be suitable to me.

I don't need some computer to decide those things for me and possibly eliminate a resort that might be perfect for me that particular week.

One resort that is filtered out that I wish wasn't is Dolphin's cove in Anaheim. I prefer it over Peacock Suites, but they show Peacock Suites. I'd use my shell points for Peacock if I were desperate, but I'd never use HGVC points for it.The only other TSs in that area are WM Anaheim and Disney's California Grand. Both of those don't show up in RCI often. Since Hilton blocks Dolphin's cove, I can't count on a trade to Anaheim.
 
One resort that is filtered out that I wish wasn't is Dolphin's cove in Anaheim. I prefer it over Peacock Suites, but they show Peacock Suites. I'd use my shell points for Peacock if I were desperate, but I'd never use HGVC points for it.The only other TSs in that area are WM Anaheim and Disney's California Grand. Both of those don't show up in RCI often. Since Hilton blocks Dolphin's cove, I can't count on a trade to Anaheim.

You can request an override if a unit at Dolphins cove is available. It would require a phone call. But I have heard of others having the filter lifted if you specifically request it.
 
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One resort that is filtered out that I wish wasn't is Dolphin's cove in Anaheim. I prefer it over Peacock Suites, but they show Peacock Suites. I'd use my shell points for Peacock if I were desperate, but I'd never use HGVC points for it.The only other TSs in that area are WM Anaheim and Disney's California Grand. Both of those don't show up in RCI often. Since Hilton blocks Dolphin's cove, I can't count on a trade to Anaheim.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't see how this is helping members.
 
csxjohn, do you even own a HGVC, I don't think you do? If not why does it bother you so much, if it does not impact you, and there is a work around?
 
csxjohn, do you even own a HGVC, I don't think you do? If not why does it bother you so much, if it does not impact you, and there is a work around?

I thought this was a public forum and I try to learn as much as I can about all the systems I can.

It will impact me on the decisions I make on future TS purchases.
 
I thought this was a public forum and I try to learn as much as I can about all the systems I can.

It will impact me on the decisions I make on future TS purchases.

It is a public forum. But there is a work around, albeit, it requires a phone call.
 
It is a public forum. But there is a work around, albeit, it requires a phone call.

I was typing my post #63 when you posted about the work around. I never saw it until now, and now I understand your question to me.

It's good to see the filter can be lifted, this helps, thanks for the info.
 
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