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Bonus Time coming to Club Wyndham???

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With Worldmark Bonus Time the Housekeeping is included.
 

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So you have to pay for the HK on top of the cash fee? (if you have no HK left)
I assume. I had HK credits left, so it was just charging me one of my existing ones when I did the mock booking.
 

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Makes having unlimited housekeeping as a grandfathered VIP a good thing!
 

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With Worldmark Bonus Time the Housekeeping is included.

This makes absolutely zero sense if HK is not included like it is in Worldmark. That is one of the driving forces behind Bonus Time, inventory specials and Monday Madness promos in Worldmark...

Having to pay for HK will make this a non-starter for non-VIP's, also even for VIP's with unlimited HK, do you have to have points available? I wonder if hybrid owners who are out of retail points and just have resale left, if the website is smart enough to see you have unlimited HK

It seems extremely poor planning if Wyndham is requiring HK for bonus time
 

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I just tried this for a 1BR stay at Clearwater Beach from 10/31 to 11/2, so definitely should be in the window to do this, I got to the screen where you chose traveller, and was never presented with this dialog. Is it after this? I didn't want to get stuck making this reservation because it's inside the "no cancellation" window.

Now, I can't try again because of the dreaded "multiple transactions in progress error".

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One last thing, does anyone know if this works in conjunction with VIP suite upgrades?
Step 2 is the traveler - step three is the payment step. This is readily apparent given each step is numbered:

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This makes absolutely zero sense if HK is not included like it is in Worldmark. That is one of the driving forces behind Bonus Time, inventory specials and Monday Madness promos in Worldmark...

Having to pay for HK will make this a non-starter for non-VIP's, also even for VIP's with unlimited HK, do you have to have points available? I wonder if hybrid owners who are out of retail points and just have resale left, if the website is smart enough to see you have unlimited HK

It seems extremely poor planning if Wyndham is requiring HK for bonus time
I haven't tried it yet but am a hybrid VIPG with unlimited HK. The website doesn't restrict me to searching for availability based on the number of points I have available anyway - it just requires me to select either developer or resale as the type of points I would be using. If you think about it, within 14 days of check in will always be within the express reservation window when you can borrow points from a future year anyway, which makes it a more complicated question. In any case, it would be the selection of developer points to accomplish the search that would make the results eligible for VIP benefits for me, no doubt including the unlimited housekeeping.

As far as it being poor planning, I'm not sure I agree. Housekeeping would be a cost driver for short term stays; if a bonus time booking wound up being for 2 nights and there were no coverage for the housekeeping, the revenue for the stay might not cover the cost of housekeeping and it would not be beneficial for anyone to make availability. That would strike me as something that could drive higher minimum night requirements for bonus time. I'm fairly happy with the balance they struck with for this - including the fact that the Wyndham sales budget continues to fund unlimited housekeeping for grandfathered VIPs here.

On the WorldMark side of things, there is a minimum nightly cost of $80 and a maximum stay of 4 nights, neither of which seems to be included in the Club Wyndham bonus time. Bonus time was always a part of the WorldMark system as a method for members to book short term stays for brief periods in unused inventory while driving from place to place on a road trip (at least that is my understanding of the use case for it). It winds up being a great alternative to staying in a hotel - the Wyndham version may or may not serve the same purpose.
 

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Having to pay for HK will make this a non-starter for non-VIP's,
I'm resale and I always have more HK credits than I need. This is probably because we tend to book weeklong+ stays in 2 bedroom units, but I bet there are others like me that will find utility in this. Honestly, this is pretty exciting for my wife and I. In the northeast there appear to be a bunch of resorts (ie: shawnee in the poconos, Skyline tower in AC, etc) that are drivable for me, and frequently have weekend availability, that this will open up as a cheap last minute weekend getaway with the cost at $5 per thousand points.
 

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I'm resale and I always have more HK credits than I need. This is probably because we tend to book weeklong+ stays in 2 bedroom units, but I bet there are others like me that will find utility in this. Honestly, this is pretty exciting for my wife and I. In the northeast there appear to be a bunch of resorts (ie: shawnee in the poconos, Skyline tower in AC, etc) that are drivable for me, and frequently have weekend availability, that this will open up as a cheap last minute weekend getaway with the cost at $5 per thousand points.
How is Shawnee in the Poconos anyway? Anyway - I kind of look for week long trips, but maybe weekends could work.
 

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How is Shawnee in the Poconos anyway? Anyway - I kind of look for week long trips, but maybe weekends could work.
I have no idea, and honestly never would have considered it, but for $182.50 all-in for a Friday- Sunday in a 2 bedroom, we're going to give it a shot (It's about a 2 hour drive from where I live).
 

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How is Shawnee in the Poconos anyway? Anyway - I kind of look for week long trips, but maybe weekends could work.
We are at either Wyndham Shawnee, OTA, or National Harbor at least 12 times a year (once a month) for weekend getaways. We're at Wyndham Shawnee more frequently than either OTA or National Harbor because we enjoy the Pocono mountains in the fall and spring especially - great hiking weather and we don't need a ton of activities around us to have a good time - though there's no shortage of outdoor activities in the Poconos. We were just at Wyndham Shawnee last weekend - in a Worldmark Depuy King unit (older). We will be back the weekend of 11/8 and again the weekend of 12/6 - both in Crestview.

Specific to the actual resort, the units are older and not in the best of shape - this is what rubs most folks the wrong way - because only Crestview was actually built by Wyndham at this resort - all other units were built long ago back in the 70s for the most part - not by Wyndham - and those units are still tied to the original timeshare contracts so Wyndham is limited in what it can do because of the original timeshare bylaws and contracts - and it shows. Personally, we don't mind the older more rustic units since the point values are lower - and we know what we're getting - but many Wyndhamites that go to Shawnee for the first time and unknowingly reserved an older unit - not Crestview - are typically disappointed. This is the reason for such folks that we'll typically tell them to stick with Crestview only. Our preference for units are:

Crestview (2 bedroom deluxe units - with a few 4 bedroom PR units)
RidgeTop Summit (2 bedroom deluxe units at the top of the hill that have king sized beds)
Depuy Worldmark King units (older 2 bedroom deluxe units with king sized beds located not far from the Shawnee Inn area)

All of the non-deluxe older two bedroom units don't have king sized beds available (Ridge Top, Depuy, River Village I and II, Fairway Village) - queen sized at best - and many only have double beds.

The area has tons of hiking trails not far from the resort - within a few miles - including the McDade Recreational Trail (MRT). Lots of other outdoor activities in the area as well. Feel free to ask questions.
 
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We are at either Wyndham Shawnee, OTA, or National Harbor at least 12 times a year (once a month) for weekend getaways. We're at Wyndham Shawnee more frequently than either OTA or National Harbor because we enjoy the Pocono mountains in the fall and spring especially - great hiking weather and we don't need a ton of activities around us to have a good time - though there's no shortage of outdoor activities in the Poconos. We were just at Wyndham Shawnee last weekend - in a Worldmark Depuy King unit (older). We will be back the weekend of 11/8 and again the weekend of 12/6 - both in Crestview.

Specific to the actual resort, the units are older and not in the best of shape - this is what rubs most folks the wrong way - because only Crestview was actually built by Wyndham at this resort - all other units were built long ago back in the 70s for the most part - and it shows. Personally, we don't mind the older more rustic units since the point values are lower - and we know what we're getting - but many Wyndhamites that go to Shawnee for the first time and unknowingly reserved an older unit - not Crestview - are typically disappointed. This is the reason for such folks that we'll typically tell them to stick with Crestview only. Our preference for units are:

Crestview (2 bedroom deluxe units - with a few 4 bedroom PR units)
RidgeTop Summit (2 bedroom deluxe units at the top of the hill that have king sized beds)
Depuy Worldmark King units (older 2 bedroom deluxe units with king sized beds located not far from the Shawnee Inn area)

All of the non-deluxe older two bedroom units don't have king sized beds available (Ridge Top, Depuy, River Village I and II, Fairway Village) - queen sized at best - and many only have double beds.

The area has tons of hiking trails not far from the resort - within a few miles - including the McDade Recreational Trail (MRT). Lots of other outdoor activities in the area as well. Feel free to ask questions.
Cool - I'm trying to balance "great value week" with "want to actually stay there". I've had great success till my Villa Roma stay this week (see my review on TUG2 and post on the Eastern Timesharing Forum) where for the first time I kind of question if the II getaway price was worth the money. It sounds like the cheaper older units may be like Villa Roma, kind of marginal for me, but Crestview would be worth it. I am surprised the Worldmark units are "lower end" - I guess I really can't go by the "vibe" on "brand standards" from TUG (Learned it with Villa Roma for "II being higher end resorts than RCI" that's for sure lol). If I do end up trying to book something either Wyndham or RCI for Poconos I'll hopefully remember this post with the decoder guide!
 

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I just tried this for a 1BR stay at Clearwater Beach from 10/31 to 11/2, so definitely should be in the window to do this, I got to the screen where you chose traveller, and was never presented with this dialog. Is it after this? I didn't want to get stuck making this reservation because it's inside the "no cancellation" window.

Now, I can't try again because of the dreaded "multiple transactions in progress error".

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One last thing, does anyone know if this works in conjunction with VIP suite upgrades?
Someone correct me if I am wrong but even in 14 cancelation window you have exactly 24 hrs to cancel(and it is to the minute) for you cancel and get points back. But this gives you time to look at flights, hook up with friend, work arrangements but again exactly 24 hrs!!!!
 

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Cool - I'm trying to balance "great value week" with "want to actually stay there". I've had great success till my Villa Roma stay this week (see my review on TUG2 and post on the Eastern Timesharing Forum) where for the first time I kind of question if the II getaway price was worth the money. It sounds like the cheaper older units may be like Villa Roma, kind of marginal for me, but Crestview would be worth it. I am surprised the Worldmark units are "lower end" - I guess I really can't go by the "vibe" on "brand standards" from TUG (Learned it with Villa Roma for "II being higher end resorts than RCI" that's for sure lol). If I do end up trying to book something either Wyndham or RCI for Poconos I'll hopefully remember this post with the decoder guide!
Which unit do you have reserved for Shawnee? Crestview units are higher on points (but worth it IMHO). IIRC Worldmark owns units at all of the sections just like Club Wyndham, so they also have Crestview units but I seldom see them pop up as available via Club Pass - which isn't surprising really since those units always go first and are generally in highest demand. For resorts like Shawnee where Wyndham manages the older units but didn't build them and must honor the existing timeshare bylaws - there's not much they can do to improve the units and in areas like the Poconos that are kinda "the land that time forgot" type areas that aren't nearly as popular nowadays, I doubt Wyndham would make the investments needed even if they could since the ROI just isn't there.
 
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Which unit do you have reserved for Shawnee? Crestview units are higher on points (but worth it IMHO). IIRC Worldmark owns units at all of the sections just like Club Wyndham, so they also have Crestview units but I seldom see them pop up as available via Club Pass - which isn't surprising really since those units always go first and are generally in highest demand. For resorts like Shawnee where Wyndham manages the older units but didn't build them and must honor the existing timeshare bylaws - there's not much they can do to improve the units and in areas like the Poconos that are kinda "the land that time forgot" type areas that aren't nearly as popular nowadays, I doubt Wyndham would make the investments needed even if they could the ROI just isn't there.
None right now - just been seeing them pop up in RCI Last Calls a lot, and now I bothered to look with the Bonus Time in my Wyndham page. I wondered all the different places that maybe were the same place - you've helped clarify that in ways the RCI site certainly didn't. I was just thinking - I might try and go there sometime cause it's close to me. Too bad about the Poconos - seems similar to the Catskills - people just have little reason to come here, and the investment to make the resorts themselves more attractive probably doesn't have an ROI like you said.
 
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