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Asiana Boeing 777 crashes in San Francisco

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All flights in and out of SFO have been cancelled - some being diverted to LAX. I am guessing that they may also divert flights to Oakland, San Jose, and Sacramento.
 
Looks like multiple areas caught fire on landing. People were seen exiting the plane.
 
The fire was secondary. The airplane touched down, tail first, at the edge of the San Francisco Bay - reports are saying it was 1,000 ft. short of the runway.

Some experts are speculating that the pilot thought the water was the tarmac, then recognized his error, tried to lift up, and couldn't get the tail up in time.

After it hit the ground, the tail broke off, an engine broke off, it spun around 360 degrees, and eventually it broke into flames.

There was no report of trouble from the plane, before landing.
 
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Twitter says at least 2 killed, 61 injured.
 
KPIX, San Francisco's CBS affiliate is broadcasting a live "raw feed" on the web now. They say that of those injured, ten in critical condition are at San Francisco General Hospital,two of those children. Six more in critical condition are at St. Francis Hospital in San Francisco, which is a regional burn center.

NTSB's California detail, three investigators based in LA, are already on the way. The larger NTSB team is leaving Washington now. They are working with their Korean counterparts, the FAA, Boeing, and more.

Fern
 
DeniseM said:
The fire was secondary. The airplane touched down, tail first, at the edge of the San Francisco Bay - reports are saying it was 1,000 ft. short of the runway.

Some experts are speculating that the pilot thought the water was the tarmac, then recognized his error, tried to lift up, and couldn't get the tail up in time.

After it hit the ground, the tail broke off, an engine broke off, it spun around 360 degrees, and eventually it broke into flames.

There was no report of trouble from the plane, before landing.
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The fire confuses me. It appears to have originated a bit aft of the cockpit, on the upper right side of the plane. Which strikes me as a very unusual place to have a fire commence as a consequence of an impact on landing. The common fire event in such crashes is leaking jet fuel ignited by sparks, But that doesn't seem to have been the case here. If there had been a significant fuel leak that ignited there would have been flames on the ground as the oil spilled, and there should have been a raging fire somewhere near the wings, where the fuel is stored and from which it would be leaking.

I wonder if there wasn't a hidden fire somewhere near the front galley which disrupted the controls between the cockpit and the tail, causing a loss of control just as the plane was approaching the runway. After the landing the damage adds oxygen to the fire enabling to to erupt.

The fire was also incredibly once it really got going, presumably after everyone was out of the plane, because it appears to have been hot enough to melt the aluminum skin. Of course, there's enough combustible material inside an airplane to fuel a pretty intense fire.
 
My .02

The fire started underneath from friction and sparks when it spun and the engine broke off, one shot I see is the engine right up against the fuselage and a large burn spot. The evac was from the opposite side.

He was 1000 feet short of touchdown.

My feeling is he lost power in final descent and did a helluva job to not ditch it in the bay.
 
It is incredible that (so far) only 2 people have lost their lives. I'm sure there will be more, but still, that is a very low casualty count for a jumbo hitting the runway (or short of it) at nearly 200 mph, spinning and burning. Kudos to the crew for getting the passengers off as quickly as they did.

There is much speculation going on as to the cause of the accident. This is not the time for that. The NTSB, airline, Boeing will take this apart with tweezers and if there is a mechanical- or human- cause it will be revealed. This is the time for healing the injured and assuring the traveling public that all-in-all, flying is the safest way to cover large distances.

Jim
 
DS#1 was scheduled to fly out of SFO back to Chicago tomorrow morning. After hearing about the crash at 1:30 pm, I called the airline right way. By then, all flights to ORD from SJC, OAK and even LAX were fully booked for tomorrow already. Finally, he was lucky to get a seat on a flight to Denver then ORD out of Sacramento. Fortunately, his best friend at UC Davis drove all the way to visit him today and planned to drive back tomorrow morning. He is able to give DS a ride to SMF. All have worked out at the end (so far). BTW, we just received the airline notification that his original flight had been officially canceled.
 
stuck in Denver

On route to SFO, our flight landed at Denver. No clue when to fly back to SFO. Long lines to UA counter... Also on the phone for over 2 hours still on hold. It maybe Tuesday before we can go back to SF. Just booked a hotel at Aloft for tonight.
 
I'm listening to the news while on the computer and if I heard correctly, there are some flights landing at SFO now. I think they are int'l flights. Again, not sure that's what I heard.

Ingrid
 
Obviously landed short for some reason. When that happens in today's aircraft, it is usually pilot error.

The airport ILS (instument landing system) was out of service so the pilot was probably either using a GPS approach or hand flying the aircraft.

Amazing there were not more casualties.
 
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On route to SFO, our flight landed at Denver. No clue when to fly back to SFO. Long lines to UA counter... Also on the phone for over 2 hours still on hold. It maybe Tuesday before we can go back to SF. Just booked a hotel at Aloft for tonight.
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Amtrak from Denver to Oakland is a great ride...
 
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Obviously landed short for some reason. When that happens in today's aircraft, it is usually pilot error.

The airport ILS (instument landing system) was out of service so the pilot was probably either using a GPS approach or hand flying the aircraft.

Amazing there were not more casualties.
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from USAToday:

The crash occurred on a day with clear skies, but the crew apparently knew they had a problem as the plane approached the airport. A recording of the airport's air-traffic controllers provided by FlightAware.com, a website that tracks flights, had the controllers assuring the crew that "emergency vehicles are responding. We have everyone on their way."
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Ken555 said:
Amtrak from Denver to Oakland is a great ride...
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- just checked, it takes 33 hours -- no bed available.
- I just tried picking up the luggage. It is already send to SFO... Take UA to do this. I don't want to lineup at the counter again. I wonder if UA will reimburse any of the expense. We may rent a car and go sightseeing in Denver since our new reservation is on Tuesday.
 
Per CNN, there was no notice from the plane that there was a problem, until after it crash landed, and that recording came after.
 
myip said:
- just checked, it takes 33 hours -- no bed available.
- I just tried picking up the luggage. It is already send to SFO... Take UA to do this. I don't want to lineup at the counter again. I wonder if UA will reimburse any of the expense. We may rent a car and go sightseeing in Denver since our new reservation is on Tuesday.
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Sorry that you are stuck...What about flying to LA/John Wayne/SMF then rent a car?
If not possible, might as well go to Rocky Mountain National Park. We used to this as day trip when we lived in Denver. It's beautiful...
 
x3 skier said:
Obviously landed short for some reason. When that happens in today's aircraft, it is usually pilot error.

The airport ILS (instument landing system) was out of service so the pilot was probably either using a GPS approach or hand flying the aircraft.

Amazing there were not more casualties.
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I was an ILS tech in USAF, I keep hearing it was out due to construction. I don't understand that, the antenna and equipment is located right next to the runway at the touchdown point. The runway should be closed if work is that close to an active runway.
 
Foreign airlines use a lot of low time under qualified First Officers. Most airlines overseas like China Airlines, Korean Airlines, Skymark in Japan, Vietnam, India, etc...will hire an Expat from Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, USA or any other country where they can find a qualified Captain that has a lot of flight time in the type aircraft they are using. Some of the Captains are not quick to respond to situations that might happen if the First Officer gets behind the aircraft, like being slow, or low on glide path. The same can be said that the First Officer is not always trained, or quick to challenge a Captain that might be low or slow on final. A contributing factor is that sometimes things can get more complicated when you have two pilot speaking English to each other and neither one of them use English as their primary language, like a French Captain and a Korean First Officer.

When an aircraft has a power loss with one engine, the wing will usually dip down. Of the reports that I have seen, nobody reported that. This mishap appears to be a result of a severe tail strike that will occur when the flare is too high. Also, the aircraft hit short of the runway so the aircraft was low on glide slope. Tail strikes happen often, but usually there in minor damage and the media never finds out about it. If the aircraft was slow, the tail would have hit hard.

Everything is speculation until the mishap investigation report is out. There could have been a mechanical on short final, but that would be very unusual. Mechanical malfunctions usually occur during takeoff or on climb out when high power is being used.

It is unfortunate, but pilot error is probably to blame. Even if there was a mechanical, pilots are trained to handle them and the end result will be blamed on the pilots.
 
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