Are people stupid?

[Panina]

If it hasn’t already been done (I haven’t seen it) we should start another thread with details of those sites that offer food delivery. I’ve got a few I use now, but always looking to see if there are better options.


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Constantly changing, each day harder to get service.

 

[WVBaker]

It's important to understand that there are about 40% of the population that simply don't believe the news. They have heard "Fake News" so many times, plus websites that have downplayed the danger for months, Jerry Falwell Jr who is opening up his family university, the governor of Florida who had to be drug kicking and screaming to reality. I'm in Oregon and the first weekend there was social distancing and school closures, people flocked the Oregon coast. Finally businesses and residents told them to leave they weren't welcome right now. It's calmed down now. My wife and I have been staying at home for over two weeks now.
I was on blogs for Italy and there were Italians claiming that the danger was vastly overblown. Now Italy has the most debts in the world, with over 11,500 and over 800 new deaths today. There hasn't been any of that talk on the blogs recently.
Remember the president said at the first of the month that it would all be over in 15 days, they had it under control Today we have almost 156,000 cases nearly 2500 deaths with an increase of cases 12,500 since yesterday and 271 new deaths since yesterday. It will hit Florida, and if it doesn't hit as hard as NY it will be because of the drastic measures taken there.

Given the information at the time, 15 days seemed reasonable. And unfortunately there was and continues to be "fake news"

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I am not able to get any Instacart or Safeway deliveries because there are no slots in my area even though they say they deliver. I was able to book a curbside pick-up slot at Safeway 5 days out. When I got there to pick up my order they were not able to fill $100 of my order because many of the items were out of stock. grrrrr.

Also most paper and cleaning supplies are not available for delivery or curbside. This will force elders at risk to enter stores at some point. All of the out of stock items and having to look around for availability at multiple stores feels like shopping at a Russian grocery store.

 

[Brett]

Frankly, at this point, it would not surprise me if grocery stores closed. I am already past being able to be shocked by the havoc this virus is causing. A few weeks ago, I would have never predicted a world shut down. If grocery stores closed to protect the lives of its workers, and shifted to deliveries, it would be difficult but still possible to live. I do not think it will happen but it could. Anything could happen. I am not naive anymore. My eyes have been opened to the risks in this world.

it would be possible for people to live without grocery stores but many (most?) would not be able to pay the delivery fees
I don't think it's time (yet) to mobilize the National Guard and Army to deliver TP and hamburgers to the populace

 

[bbodb1]

While it is getting more prevalent, delivery services just are nowhere near being ready to exclusively handle the crushing demands of grocery delivery.
Especially in the more rural areas.

 

[geekette]

it would be possible for people to live without grocery stores but many (most?) would not be able to pay the delivery fees

Yes. I can't overpay, I don't have spare money. I can't then also tip.

 

[Old Hickory]

Everyone in my social circle (we're all in our 30s) are cowering at home telling our boomer parents to STAY THE F INSIDE. It's the ones that should be worried that aren't taking this seriously. Well when ventilators start to be rationed at least I know I will get one if I need it because I have the highest chance of survival based on age, gender and health (165 lb 30 year old with no preexisting conditions). It's the stupid 60+ year olds that are still out and about. Do they not realize that if ventilators get rationed, they're not going to get one based on age? They will prioritize them on occupation (health care worker first), then age and preexisting conditions. When they run out of ventilators, it will be rationed in a way that will have the lowest number of casualties.

Boomers vs. Doomers? Social Circle vs. Survival Circle? My money is on the folks who experienced 1969, grew a family after Sept 11, and more than likely have survived cancer.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

All that will change when the first neighbor dies from CV.

This. or when someone in the community is diagnosed. Of course, the horse will have left the barn by then. Sad that these morons put everyone else at risk.

 

[Big Matt]

It would probably be simpler to go pick up groceries in a parking lot. Grocery store can set up a tent where you can drive up and give an order number, staff goes and gets your already bagged/boxed groceries, put it in your car, and you leave. Doesn't sound too hard. A small local store near me did this and it was simple.

 

[TravelTime]

It would probably be simpler to go pick up groceries in a parking lot. Grocery store can set up a tent where you can drive up and give an order number, staff goes and gets your already bagged/boxed groceries, put it in your car, and you leave. Doesn't sound too hard. A small local store near me did this and it was simple.

Yes, this seems like a good alternative. I wonder why more grocery stores are not doing this to protect their employees and customers.

 

[WVBaker]

Everyone in my social circle (we're all in our 30s) are cowering at home telling our boomer parents to STAY THE F INSIDE. It's the ones that should be worried that aren't taking this seriously. Well when ventilators start to be rationed at least I know I will get one if I need it because I have the highest chance of survival based on age, gender and health (165 lb 30 year old with no preexisting conditions). It's the stupid 60+ year olds that are still out and about. Do they not realize that if ventilators get rationed, they're not going to get one based on age? They will prioritize them on occupation (health care worker first), then age and preexisting conditions. When they run out of ventilators, it will be rationed in a way that will have the lowest number of casualties.

Speaking as one those "stupid 60+ year olds", you're basing this on facts or just your own illogical, biased reasoning?

Now, if you don't mind, go back to cowering.

 

[DannyTS]

Yes, this seems like a good alternative. I wonder why more grocery stores are not doing this to protect their employees and customers.

this is exactly how I have been doing my grocery shopping in the last 2 weeks (no symptoms but in self isolation since we had traveled to Mexico.
Once we are in the parking lot we call the store number, they just come out with our groceries. Already paid online so we just say thank you and leave.

 

[x3 skier]

The grocery stores I use have squares marked on the floor where people almost without exception wait. There are shields between the cashiers and patrons. They have folks gloved and masked wiping things down.

Cheers

 

[controller1]

To answer the original question - Are people stupid?

Yes and you can't fix stupid!

 

[clifffaith]

I was thinking to protect the store employees. I feel really bad that the cashiers are taking so much risk for so little money. Not that anyone should take this risk, regardless of salary. I feel really bad for doctors, nurses and health care workers on the front lines. Think about it. In a war or 9/11, health care workers did not have to risk their own lives (and family’s life) to save others. With an infectious disease, there is no other way.

I believe it was Smart & Final that sent out an email in our area (Los Angeles) saying the grocery clerks were getting a raise of $2.50 an hour for hazard pay. Wouldn't tempt me, but at least they are trying to compensate their people.

 

[x3 skier]

It would probably be simpler to go pick up groceries in a parking lot. Grocery store can set up a tent where you can drive up and give an order number, staff goes and gets your already bagged/boxed groceries, put it in your car, and you leave. Doesn't sound too hard. A small local store near me did this and it was simple.

All the major grocery stores in my area in Ohio (Kroger, Walmart, local chains) had been offering this service long before the virus was even heard of.

Cheers

 

[RX8]

As long as the delivery drivers stay healthy.

Dave

Yes, (some) people are stupid.

Can’t trust all delivery people. Did you hear the story of the Amazon delivery driver intentionally spitting on a package he delivered?

Amazon delivery driver caught on video spitting on package

An Amazon delivery driver was caught on video appearing to spit on his hand and wiping it on a package delivered to a resident's door in Hancock Park.

www.google.com

 

[Panina]

Spent hours trying to get a local delivery or curbside pickup even an hour away.. I almost gave up and then looked at Instacart again and there was a slot for today within two hours from Publix.

Meanwhile my other half is finally staying out of the groceries/stores and participating in what to order from farms.

He did go to drive thru of Starbucks today and then on the way home talked with 3 other neighbors, he says 6 feet apart but to me it looked closer but it was down the block so it probably looked closer then it was. To me both were not necessary I would prefer he didn’t take any risk
even if it follows the guidelines. Others think I am overacting. I think with all the deaths how can you be underreacting? Keep praying he doesn't bring it home and everyone I know and love stays safe.

 

[geekette]

this is exactly how I have been doing my grocery shopping in the last 2 weeks (no symptoms but in self isolation since we had traveled to Mexico.
Once we are in the parking lot we call the store number, they just come out with our groceries. Already paid online so we just say thank you and leave.

Right, curbside. vs hauling everything to the parking lot.

 

[JudyH]

Rapmarks. I live up the road from you in Venice. Yes. Many people are stupid.

 

[JudyH]

In the good old days, prior to 2013, I was never sick. We lived on a farm, I worked in school and and. Pediatric office. I washed before eating, but not if I was out on my horse. I never had the flu and I never had flu shots.
Then I retired. No more farm, no more schools, no more office. Got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Had several upper respiratory problems. Getting old is no fun.

 

[bbodb1]

In the good old days, prior to 2013, I was never sick. We lived on a farm, I worked in school and and. Pediatric office. I washed before eating, but not if I was out on my horse. I never had the flu and I never had flu shots.
Then I retired. No more farm, no more schools, no more office. Got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Had several upper respiratory problems. Getting old is no fun.

Get back on that horse!

 

[CalGalTraveler]

All the major grocery stores in my area in Ohio (Kroger, Walmart, local chains) had been offering this service long before the virus was even heard of.

Cheers

Would love to have had these services 20 years ago when my children were babies. Trying to haul babies into a store when all you need is milk, bread and eggs is not easy. Instacart even better. Don't need to bundle up to take the kids out of the house.

 

[geekette]

Would love to have had these services 20 years ago when my children were babies. Trying to haul babies into a store when all you need is milk, bread and eggs is not easy. Instacart even better. Don't need to bundle up to take the kids out of the house.

When we were kids, mom didn't get arrested for neglect if she left us in the car for 10 minutes.

 

[TravelTime]

The title of this thread "Are People Stupid" has been bothering me. Maybe because it is shaming and judgmental. I think there are better words to describe why people are not following stay at home and social distancing guidelines. People are irrational. They are bad at estimating risk. They do not like being told what to do. They have been told to not live in fear (that was a big message after 9/11). These things do not feel real if they do not know anyone with it. They may be bored out of their mind. Many people still have to work. They may think they will not get it or they could survive if they got it. There are many reasons people are not following strict recommendations. This reminds me of many other health issues. Why do people not use condoms? Why do people smoke? Why do people overeat to the point of obesity? Why do people drink and drive? Why do people use drugs? Why do people refuse to take their medications? Why do some people refuse vaccinations? I could go on and on about the irrational things people do when they know the risks of their behavior to themselves and others. Frankly, I am sure we have all been guilty of being "stupid" about health matters and other irrational behaviors at some point in our lives and maybe even now.