Any TUGers prohibited from going to their second/vacation home?

[TravelTime]

I was just reading an article in the WSJ about the draconian measures around the USA. The article says:

Perhaps the most excessive decrees have come from Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. In addition to shutting down “non-essential” businesses, as many other governors have done, Gov. Whitmer has barred Michiganders from traveling to each other’s homes. “All public and private gatherings of any size are prohibited,” the Governor explained at a press conference. “People can still leave the house for outdoor activities,” she generously allowed, and outdoor activities “are still permitted as long as they’re taking place outside of six feet from anyone else.”

Michigan state officials also have imposed a series of heavy-handed restrictions, including bans on supposedly “non-essential” sections of supermarkets, which have accordingly been cordoned off. Under Gov. Whitmer’s order a Michigander can buy a bag of candy or a lottery ticket, but not a pack of seeds or a can of paint. He can enjoy a boat ride by himself or with his dog—but not if his boat has a motor. The logic of these seemingly arbitrary distinctions must elude most Americans.

 

[DrQ]

The problem is that the model is no longer valid.

Big Box is built on high volume/low labor. Someone need to reinvent. Instacart may be close. Somebody needs to really embrace personal shopping as a service, not a commodity.

 

[slip]

This is the first I’m hearing of any cases on Molokai and Lanai. I was reading recently that those were the only two islands that didn’t have any cases...must be recent, and how did they get on the island?

Stay safe and healthy...push your plans back for now. At least you own the place and can go anytime you are free from work when the travel restrictions lift.


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It’s actually been a couple weeks since the first Molokai case. It was a local that came back from Las Vegas. He works at Friendly Market. When he came back, he went to work and gave it to one other employee. They closed the store for a couple weeks and they are disinfecting it. The whole island is struggling because the other grocery is smaller and they went to phone in curbside orders.

I am still hoping for June but we will see. Still no cases on Lanai.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

Are you sure its that restrictive in MI? Although we are on SIP in California, the government has made it clear we can go outside for exercise, plant gardens, and shop for plants or home improvement at local home stores as long as we social distance and/or wear masks in stores. Your situation does not sound reasonable nor sustainable for more than a short crisis period.

Yes, I live in Michigan and it’s become this restrictive since Good Friday. My daughter works in healthcare in respite care in a group home. She works the graveyard shift. She works 10-7, as she was driving home Saturday morning at 7:30am she got stopped by the police. He asked her what she was doing out and about, she showed her letter from her company stating she was an essential worker. She’s 21 and looks 16. She got home and started crying saying she felt like we were now living in a dictator society. This gal is picking up shifts and helping out her company any way she can.

 

[TravelTime]

What do Michiganders think of these restrictions? Are people generally supportive or do people think the Governor has gone too far?

 

[Cornell]

@Sugarcubesea WOW! That is really upsetting to me. I cannot believe the police enjoy doing this either.

I hope some legal challenges come along soon. I’m his Governor sounds like she is on a massive power trip.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

What do Michiganders think of these restrictions? Are people generally supportive or do people think the Governor has gone too far?

Speaking as one Michigander, my neighbors and myself have been communicating non stop via phone or via the Facebook group we belong to and feel the Governor of MI has crossed the line. None of my neighbors had any issues with her extending the SIP till April 30th. It was all the extra nonsense she tossed into that executive order that has got people upset.
Even before COVID-19, I try to shop at just one store. Especially now, if I can get all of my shopping done in one store vs having to go to multiple to get what I need is going to prevent me from getting exposed to more people in multiple locations.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

@Sugarcubesea WOW! That is really upsetting to me. I cannot believe the police enjoy doing this either.

I hope some legal challenges come along soon. I’m his Governor sounds like she is on a massive power trip.

Our daughter took a picture of the police officer and we have turned this over to our family attorney. I’m very upset and I will be pressing legal charges

 

[Monykalyn]

Yes, I live in Michigan and it’s become this restrictive since Good Friday. My daughter works in healthcare in respite care in a group home. She works the graveyard shift. She works 10-7, as she was driving home Saturday morning at 7:30am she got stopped by the police. He asked her what she was doing out and about, she showed her letter from her company stating she was an essential worker. She’s 21 and looks 16. She got home and started crying saying she felt like we were now living in a dictator society. This gal is picking up shifts and helping out her company any way she can.

First thank your daughter for providing the care these folks need! Virtual high five and hugs. Second as a parent I'd be FURIOUS over the LEO making her feel bad and as a citizen of this country it is tactics like this that will cause a rebellious uprising-all of which can be avoided by making rationale decisions and not fear based emotional ones (like MI governor is doing). GOOD for you on pressing charges.

 

[fillde]

What do Michiganders think of these restrictions? Are people generally supportive or do people think the Governor has gone too far?

A petition to recall has been started at change.org. Will not change her status as governor. But clearly some are not happy.
https://www.change.org/p/michigan-state-house-impeach-governor-whitmer

 

[Cornell]

@Sugarcubesea GOOD FOR YOU. My daughter is 17 and has gone to the same camp in Three Rivers, MI (we live in IL) for 9 years. She loves summer camp more than anything on earth. ( More than any fancy vacation I take her on!). Like all teens / children, they have had one fun thing taken away from them after another during all of this. This summer she should be a junior counselor at camp, something she's been working towards for a few years now. At this point, camp has not been cancelled and I keep telling her to have hope but with this nut as governor, I question how this will be remotely possible.

I see the Gov is a front-runner to be J Biden's Veep candidate. Given the nature of your state (blue / red balance), I cannot imagine she is going to do herself or Biden with her actions. She has to be really pissing off a lot of outdoorsmen / sportsmen in your state.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

@Sugarcubesea GOOD FOR YOU. My daughter is 17 and has gone to the same camp in Three Rivers, MI (we live in IL) for 9 years. She loves summer camp more than anything on earth. ( More than any fancy vacation I take her on!). Like all teens / children, they have had one fun thing taken away from them after another during all of this. This summer she should be a junior counselor at camp, something she's been working towards for a few years now. At this point, camp has not been cancelled and I keep telling her to have hope but with this nut as governor, I question how this will be remotely possible.

I see the Gov is a front-runner to be J Biden's Veep candidate. Given the nature of your state (blue / red balance), I cannot imagine she is going to do herself or Biden with her actions. She has to be really pissing off a lot of outdoorsmen / sportsmen in your state.

I so hope your daughter can go to summer camp this summer.
I’m upset because if she was making decisions based on what truly was good for the state a lot of us would be more supportive. You can’t buy a toy but you can buy liquor. You can’t buy weed killer but you can buy cigarettes. It’s madness and makes no sense

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@Sugarcubesea +1 These are draconian measures that seem heavy handed. These measures are not being enacted in other states like California. The box stores will surely sue because they can't restrict trade like this. It also doesn't engender trust and compliance by the masses.

 

[Panina]

My other half and his brother have a NJ Shore Home. His brother live in Northern Jersey. He is still working and had Vacation this past week. The family took food and spent a few days at the shore home. Beaches are closed but the property is bay front to enjoy. The township allow exercise so they took walks. Some of the neighbors expressed anger towards him that he came even though he was no where near them, telling him he was bringing sickness to the area. In reality where he lives and where the shore home is NJ, both areas have a large percentage of people with the virus. So while we are worrying about enforcement, we might have more worries from neighbors.

 

[Cornell]

I’m reading the comments on Gov Whitmer’s Tweets. A lot of very angry people, who are also very funny BTW.

 

[TravelTime]

Speaking as one Michigander, my neighbors and myself have been communicating non stop via phone or via the Facebook group we belong to and feel the Governor of MI has crossed the line. None of my neighbors had any issues with her extending the SIP till April 30th. It was all the extra nonsense she tossed into that executive order that has got people upset.
Even before COVID-19, I try to shop at just one store. Especially now, if I can get all of my shopping done in one store vs having to go to multiple to get what I need is going to prevent me from getting exposed to more people in multiple locations.

The order says Michiganders are not allowed to visit the homes of other people. Are Michiganders allowed to go a relative’s homes if they need care or help?

 

[mdurette]

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This Friday by Order of Governor Whitmer MI we where at our lake cottage on 1 weeks Vacation where my Immune suppressed Wife is SIP for 6 weeks had to choose stay for three weeks or return home for three weeks and no travel to/from both locations. Iam still an essential employee who returns each week the comes back on weekends to shop/assist my wife so she can SIP there and stay Safe. Very upset/mad about this and so are many neighbors/friends from up there. This seems extreme and ridicules as I drive straight there no stops, remove clothing in garage and shower when I arrive to stay with only my wife. No politics here just wondering how other TUG members who own vacation/second homes are affected by this. :-/

My only question before I comment. Why is your wife safer at this home than your other one? Are there more people in and out of it?

 

[MrockStar]

Yes, I live in Michigan and it’s become this restrictive since Good Friday. My daughter works in healthcare in respite care in a group home. She works the graveyard shift. She works 10-7, as she was driving home Saturday morning at 7:30am she got stopped by the police. He asked her what she was doing out and about, she showed her letter from her company stating she was an essential worker. She’s 21 and looks 16. She got home and started crying saying she felt like we were now living in a dictator society. This gal is picking up shifts and helping out her company any way she can.

Thank her for her service and dedication to helping the most vulnerable in society. I am really shocked and saddened that she was stopped and upset as we all would be. Take care.

 

[MrockStar]

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My only question before I comment. Why is your wife safer at this home than your other one? Are there more people in and out of it?

No, Just me however only about 1000 full time residents up north and only 9 Covid-19 cases VS 110,000 residents at home near Detroit. 19,000 cases in the greater tri county Detroit area. I like her odds of staying heathy at the cottage much better.

 

[MrockStar]

A petition to recall has been started at change.org. Will not change her status as governor. But clearly some are not happy.
https://www.change.org/p/michigan-state-house-impeach-governor-whitmer

Thank you Fillde, let me find my virtual pen.

 

[MrockStar]

@Sugarcubesea GOOD FOR YOU. My daughter is 17 and has gone to the same camp in Three Rivers, MI (we live in IL) for 9 years. She loves summer camp more than anything on earth. ( More than any fancy vacation I take her on!). Like all teens / children, they have had one fun thing taken away from them after another during all of this. This summer she should be a junior counselor at camp, something she's been working towards for a few years now. At this point, camp has not been cancelled and I keep telling her to have hope but with this nut as governor, I question how this will be remotely possible.

I see the Gov is a front-runner to be J Biden's Veep candidate. Given the nature of your state (blue / red balance), I cannot imagine she is going to do herself or Biden with her actions. She has to be really pissing off a lot of outdoorsmen / sportsmen in your state.

Cornell, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your daughter for her to attend summer camp at three rivers this summer. We all hope and pray that we can salvage our economy and a very tourism based summer economy as well as 98.5 % recoveries from this devastating Covid-19 virus very soon.

 

[Rolltydr]

Yes, I live in Michigan and it’s become this restrictive since Good Friday. My daughter works in healthcare in respite care in a group home. She works the graveyard shift. She works 10-7, as she was driving home Saturday morning at 7:30am she got stopped by the police. He asked her what she was doing out and about, she showed her letter from her company stating she was an essential worker. She’s 21 and looks 16. She got home and started crying saying she felt like we were now living in a dictator society. This gal is picking up shifts and helping out her company any way she can.

Our daughter took a picture of the police officer and we have turned this over to our family attorney. I’m very upset and I will be pressing legal charges

Legal charges against whom and for what? You state the officer stopped her and asked why she was out? She showed him her letter and she was on her way. You also mentioned that she looks 16 so maybe he wanted to ensure she actually was old enough to be driving and had a license. What did he do that was outside his authority? I understand it upset her and she cried. Those aren’t charges that will hold up in court.

You may not like it but the governor has the authority to issue SIP/SAH orders to protect the state’s citizens. I believe 45 out of the 50 governors have issued similar orders. I’m grateful that your daughter is working and helping people through her healthcare job. The officer is also trying to help by ensuring that people are not defying the order and potentially spreading the virus. If people are free to do that, many more patients will be coming your daughter’s way, potentially more than she and her co-workers can handle.

The orders are a temporary inconvenience for most of us. Covid-19 is much more than an inconvenience. We all need to do everything we can to keep it from spreading.

 

[Glynda]

Exactly, it was 10 times more congested at Costco after 80% of the store is now roped off so you now have everyone only in about 6 aisles. I feel in my subdivision we are all abiding by the rules. Our subdivision has its own private Facebook Group. We are even working together,
if one of our neighbors posts that they can’t find it we try and help and drop off on their porch. One of the neighbors is thinking of doing a road trip out of state to buy weed killer and grass seed.

Hubby went to our Costco three days ago and nothing is roped off or closed there.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

Hubby went to our Costco three days ago and nothing is roped off or closed there.

Are you in Michigan? This new law / request is only for Michigan big box stores. The one we go to had stuff covered up and I could only purchase food and get my prescriptions.

 

[TravelTime]

I guess with nothing to do, Michiganders are smoking marijuana. LOL

Michigan is smoking more marijuana than any other state during coronavirus pandemic, survey says

Quarantine caused by the global outbreak of COVID-19 is forcing people across the world to find ways to entertain themselves.

www.mlive.com