Am I the only one that thinks the States going broke is worse than losing less than 1% of the population?

[x3 skier]

I'm sort of a unique person in this discussion. I "died" once already but was revived by the use of an AED. I have always known I would kick the bucket eventually and after it happened, I continued to live life to the fullest and enjoy whatever time I have left. In fact, I have scheduled a series of flying lessons in a Seaplane later this month.

My perspective is that the "cure" is worse than the disease and if I caught the bug and it did me in, I've done just about everything I wanted to do. My kids and grandkids have benefited from my and late wife's lives and the things and opportunities we have provided them.

Everybody goes sometimes and having done it once, i'm fully prepared to do it as many times as the Good Lord allows me. While we have "flattened the curve" which was the whole purpose of the shutdown, the pain is too great for everyone IMNSHO.

Cheers.

 

[jme]

The OP may not be the only one that shares this opinion, but as one of the 3,600,000 (1% of the population- seniors with comorbidities) who would be sacrificed to keep the states financially viable, I DON'T share the opinion.
For ALL who share this opinion, DON'T DARE EVER call yourselves, 'Pro Life'!
Jim

Absolutely agree, Jim.
And don't forget that in losing or sacrificing the older generation, as it were, the world (and the younger people)
would be losing a lot of the WISDOM that the younger generation has somehow LOST or either REJECTED.
And believe me, they NEED wisdom about so many things right now.
Our country and our world has fallen down quite a bit in many areas, among them work ethic, self reliance, morality,
knowledge and fear of God, and in general a plethora of guiding life principles.
(I feel compelled to add this example: Imagine that many even espouse socialism! Be careful what you ask for!)
I learned a lot from my grandparents,
and I sincerely hope my grandchildren learn a lot from me. Our children are part of the few young people who have
learned respect for those things mentioned above (we parents made sure of that), and I'm very grateful for it.
I'm sure many of you have children who have listened and learned well too, but it's the "No Fear" T-shirt wearers
who float thru life with no old-fashioned guiding light, searching only for what makes them feel good. We help to provide that light.
And frankly, I don't want ANYONE to be marginalized or lost.

 

[WVBaker]

How much is a human life worth?

You ask a question for which there is no answer. But you know that.

As cold and heartless as it may sound, it's true. You can't wrap every person in bubble wrap and send them out into the world. Life is simply not fair as we all know, yet refuse to accept. You don't walk around pushing people in front of speeding cars but, many die as they encounter one. Yes, perhaps not a perfect comparison, but you understand. We do what we can to protect those we love, but in the end, we know even the best intentions are sometimes not enough.

Also, before you even ask, I've accepted the fact that any member of my family can be infected with the virus and perhaps die. I certainly don't want it to happen, but know it can. I can only place my faith in God.

For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

 

[SmithOp]

What is being debated here?

The damage has been done to the economy, the revival has begun, the phase in has started. Is it monday morning QBs that it never should have happened?

With regards to kids going to school, how many parents would have voluntarily kept them home anyway? How many teachers would have stayed home voluntarily? Will anyone disagree that kids and schools are hotbeds of disease propogation? There is recent news of a new reaction that affects kids with rashes and possible death.

I’m fine with people that want to go out and mingle or protest with no mask, let the nail salons and tattoo parlors stay open. If our elected officials chose herd immunity I still would have stayed home, I practiced social distancing during flu season anyway, I hate being around snotty nosed kids in flu season. I’ve canceled all travel plans this year, doubt if I will get on a plane before next spring.

Are we really discussing civil liberties?




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[Ralph Sir Edward]

Yes, I know it. I was just reminding other people of it.

I can understand the mindset of "Restart the economy - and Devil take the hindmost." (I would be one of the hindmost.)

I can even understand the fact that the whole civilization will collapse and almost everybody will then starve if the supply chains collapse.

If people are willing to "pay the price", I can deal with it. The price will be in lives. . . (Value them as you will. Someday you will be in my shoes, staring down a similar barrel.)

 

[rickandcindy23]

You ask a question for which there is no answer. But you know that.

As cold and heartless as it may sound, it's true. You can't wrap every person in bubble wrap and send them out into the world. Life is simply not fair as we all know, yet refuse to accept. You don't walk around pushing people in front of speeding cars but, many die as they encounter one. Yes, perhaps not a perfect comparison, but you understand. We do what we can to protect those we love, but in the end, we know even the best intentions are sometimes not enough.

Also, before you even ask, I've accepted the fact that any member of my family can be infected with the virus and perhaps die. I certainly don't want it to happen, but know it can. I can only place my faith in God.

For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

I just love this. I am not afraid to die. But I won't die of this virus, even though I am 65. I am healthy, healthier than I have been in 20 years, because I took a chance on a weight loss program that worked for me. I am just a few pounds from my goal. As one TUGger and FB friend of mine told me, "You lost weight and changed your life just in time for this virus to hit."

That is the whole point of being isolated for a short period of time, but months on end with no vacations, no activities like baseball this summer, maybe no football stadiums filled in September, so many business shutting down forever. People dependent upon others for food and necessities. And mortgages won't get paid. This is an upcoming depression.

Pro-life was mentioned by Ken555 as kind of an accusation. I don't see how sacrificing one's own life is the same. I am willing to sacrifice my life, but I prefer to shelter in place a while longer and take whatever treatment offered, should I get sick enough to be hospitalized. My grandkids need to live their lives to the fullest.

I didn't live in fear as a kid. We played in the streets, stayed out all day in the summer, and no one was worried about us. We didn't have seat belts in our 1960 Ford Falcon, and the 1965 Ford Falcon had them, and they were not used. The risk was always there, just as it is now. But we weren't afraid. FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." And that is wise sentiment from the last depression. Maybe we can pull ourselves out before it's too late.

 

[HenryT]

I believe that if we acted aggressively in the beginning instead of downplaying the virus, the country could have been shut down for a minimal amount of time.

When you have a major medical situation the first thing you need to do is stop the bleeding by putting on a tourniquet until you can determine a course of action to fix or control the problem.

In the case of this virus, I believe the "tourniquet" should have been closing things down until we had put together detailed guidelines (social distancing, etc.) to get things under control and manageable. If we had done this quickly I think the full shutdown could have been limited to a few weeks.

At this point, yes, we need to start opening things up but in a rational and controlled way to get this economy going again.

 

[Beefnot]

Short of effective treatment/cure, I wonder whether the disease is ultimately going to kill however many it is going to kill. If so, then it would be more a question of how fast do we want that to happen? Could we stomach hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of deaths within a year, or is it more palatable to allow our economy and our psyches "absorb" that ultimate mortality over a longer time horizon through social distancing and other measures, particularly if there is also hope of treatment/cure in the medium term?

 

[MrockStar]

Well, well, well. A busy night I see.

I am shocked that the dreaded "DELETED" has not appeared and not one person has requested that this conversation be taken elsewhere on the Web.

Bravo!

I believe the reason is that thoughtful and intelligent Adults' TUG Members, can and should engage each other in respectful dialogue about these trying and life altering circumstances due to CV-19. I just hope and pray that the leaders of our Cities, States and federal Government can and will do the same.

 

[Quilter]

[QUOTE="CO skier, post: 2443609, member: 63558". They were pilloried.

[/QUOTE]

Thank you CO skier. A new word for me.

I’ve been in the kitchen cooking. Now it’s time to put together grocery list. Thought I would give myself 5 minutes TUG time and found this thread. Am setting it aside till later. But before I did I scanned enough to find your post and while I had a suspicion of the meaning I had to look it up. .

Continuing education brought to you by Covid.

 

[WVBaker]

I just hope and pray that the leaders of our Cities, States and federal Government can and will do the same.

There is a great deal of wishful thinking in such cases it is the easiest thing of all to deceive ones self.
Demosthenes

 

[Old Hickory]

The pain will be worse for the survivors. That I can guarantee.

 

[SueDonJ]

The irony of an abstract discussion taking place on today of all days, of which/how many lost lives of a certain demographic will be tolerable if it means an easier life for those unaffected, is mind-blowing. This is literally the saddest thread I have ever read on TUG, and I hate what it's teaching me about people I previously liked/respected.

 

[Ken555]

Pro-life was mentioned by Ken555 as kind of an accusation. I don't see how sacrificing one's own life is the same.

I don’t mean to start a debate on this issue, but I feel compelled to respond that while I respect your individual opinion I strongly believe it is inappropriate to impose this type of result on others. That’s the issue today, since governmental and societal action on opening up will result in more deaths.

As for your comment on mortgages, other countries (just look at Canada) solved this. We can do the same, if we had the will. Solutions exist to minimize the cost in lives.


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[Beefnot]

I don’t mean to start a debate on this issue, but I feel compelled to respond that while I respect your individual opinion I strongly believe it is inappropriate to impose this type of result on others. That’s the issue today, since governmental and societal action on opening up will result in more deaths.

As for your comment on mortgages, other countries (just look at Canada) solved this. We can do the same, if we had the will. Solutions exist to minimize the cost in lives.


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At this point, I'm not sure that anyone was solved anything. They may have addressed it, but we don't know the ultimate cost or outcome of any purported solution.

 

[Ken555]

At this point, I'm not sure that anyone was solved anything. They may have addressed it, but we don't know the ultimate cost or outcome of any purported solution.

Of course not. But, others are much further ahead on that than we are in the States. At least they have a plan that covers more than a few months.


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[TUGBrian]

yay for another thread locked...