Abound Club Points strategy and desired resorts

[TravelTime]

How about Aruba and St. Kitts availability at or past 13 months? And Europe?

Those are the first few resorts I'd probably be targeting to trade into from VSN

St Kitts is easy to get at more or less at any time. Aruba becomes available at 12 months and I have seen inventory available even after the 12 months window. For Europe, it depends on where and what season. Summer in Spain is really hard to get no matter when you try. Shoulder seasons, which are great times to visit Spain, are popular but possible. The rest of the year in Spain is not hard to get. I own a week in Spain. I am not familiar with the Disney property near Paris.

 

[byeloe]

, I would not do that because then I would only have 28K SOs left and I would end up losing them

With the new club fees, you could bank them for free.

 

[TravelTime]

With the new club fees, you could bank them for free.

To use SOs at 8 months, I would already have them banked. I think I would need to borrow to use them. But my point is that there is nothing I would want to use with a spare 28K SOs. If I borrow to use them, then I still risk losing SOs because there would still be nothing I could precisely use. Keep in mind also that I travel in 2BRs, I only own 1 EOY week and the only VSN places that interest me are Hawaii, Harborside, Lagunamar and WSJ. I think people with more weeks that are annual might benefit more from the banking and borrowing strategies.

 

[byeloe]

@TravelTime You have your vacation strategy working perfectly. I appreciate your tips on Abound usage.
I have only 2 mandatory 1bds at WKV so I think I might have around 4700 ish points. Right now I can get 4 weeks in a Lagunamar studio or 26 nights in a 1 BD at Lagunamar using staroptions at 8 months.

I will have to check the Abound charts to see if I can find similar value. My biggest issue with Marriott is that their studios are not good compared to Westin

 

[DavidnRobin]

Ok - @TravelTime convinced me to evaluate our positions for use in Abound.

As I understand from the posted values…
(2023 MFs estimated)

Our VOIs:
1. WKV P+ (81K SO, ~$1100 MF) = 2,600 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

2. WKV P+ (81K SO, ~$1100 MF) = 2,600 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

3. WKORV OFD (176.7K SO, ~$3500 MF) = 8,325 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

4. WPORV EOY (74.05K SO, ~$1600 MF) = 2150 CP ($/CP = 0.74) - Corrected
{adjusted to EY}

So I have a potential total of 15,125 CPs available in Abound ($/CPavg = 0.47). 9925 CP from VSN qualified VOIs (WKORV and WPORV) used for 3* Elite Status (prior) and 5200 CP from WKV resale.

Observations:
WPORV EOY - OUCH! This value really sucks for Owners. Guess we will use as always planned EOY.

Looks like a $/CP of 0.42 for WKV and WKORV OFD may be a reasonable value for use in Abound - correct?

If so, I may consider our WKVs for Abound if there is a specific resort to explore (e.g. if one is on the Big Island)

Does our CP total of 15,125 get anything in regards to BonVoy Status?
I am still not clear on this. Currently 3*, because of WPORV and WKORV Requal.
Is it just these 9925 CPs that goes to BV Status that were formerly used for 3*?

btw - I looked at our prior 2 weeks for WSJ-VGV 2Bd Gold that we gave away . A $/CP of 0.96 is awful. Worse than WPORV.

Do I understand correctly?
TIA

[Note: Corrected WPORV]
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[TravelTime]

Ok - @TravelTime convinced me to evaluate our positions for use in Abound.

As I understand from the posted values…
(2023 MFs estimated)

Our VOIs:
1. WKV P+ (81K SO, ~$1100 MF) = 2,600 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

2. WKV P+ (81K SO, ~$1100 MF) = 2,600 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

3. WKORV OFD (176.7K SO, ~$3500 MF) = 8,325 CP ($/CP = 0.42)

4. WPORV EOY (74.05K SO, ~$1600 MF) = 1600 CP ($/CP = 1.00)
{adjusted to EY}

So I have a potential total of 15,125 CPs available in Abound ($/CPavg = 0.48). 9925 CP from VSN qualified VOIs (WKORV and WPORV) used for 3* Elite Status (prior) and 5200 CP from WKV resale.

Observations:
WPORV EOY - OUCH! This value really sucks for Owners. Guess we will use as always planned EOY.

Looks like a $/CP of 0.42 for WKV and WKORV OFD may be a reasonable value for use in Abound - correct?

If so, I may consider our WKVs for Abound if there is a specific resort to explore (e.g. if one is on the Big Island)

Does our CP total of 15,125 get anything in regards to BonVoy Status?
I am still not clear on this. Currently 3*, because of WPORV and WKORV Requal.
Is it just these 9925 CPs that goes to BV Status that were formerly used for 3*?

btw - I looked at our prior 2 weeks for WSJ-VGV 2Bd Gold that we gave away . A $/CP of 0.96 is awful. Almost as bad as WPORV.

Do I understand correctly?
TIA


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Overall it sounds correct.

I assume you did this but let me double check. I am wondering about WPORV EOY. Did you calculate half the MF against half the points you would get annualized? $1 pp is really high and that one is a surprise.

The other thing to consider is that instead of looking at each MF pp individually to make decisions, you could look at your overall MF pp for the portfolio. That is what most people do. I have trust points at $.68 and others that are lower. For all my points, it averages about $0.50. So when estimating how much I am paying for a week using points, I just divide in half. What is the overall MF per club point for all your weeks?

With 15,125 CPs, you are Chairmans level. You get Titanium with Bonvoy. You retain the 2 years of banking. 30% discount off CPs for bookings made within 60 days. There are a bunch of other benefits that you may or may not value.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Overall it sounds correct.

I assume you did this but let me double check. I am wondering about WPORV EOY. Did you calculate half the MF against half the points you would get annualized? $1 pp is really high and that one is a surprise.

The other thing to consider is that instead of looking at each MF pp individually to make decisions, you could look at your overall MF pp for the portfolio. That is what most people do. I have trust points at $.68 and others that are lower. For all my points, it averages about $0.50. So when estimating how much I am paying for a week using points, I just divide in half. What is the overall MF per club point for all your weeks?

With 15,125 CPs, you are Chairmans level. You get Titanium with Bonvoy. You retain the 2 years of banking. 30% discount off CPs for bookings made within 60 days. There are a bunch of other benefits that you may or may not value.

Thanks.

I did correct for the EOY, but inputted wrong CP (2150 vs 1600). it should be $0.74. I could be wrong on the MFs but not by much. I edited above post.

The value for WPORV is truly awful. I can’t wait to bring this up during our next Owners Update.

My average $/CP is 0.47, but w/o WPORV - $/CP is 0.42

I am surprised that our 1Bd WKV P+ is approx. the same as our WKORV OFD ($/CP of 0.42). How does that work?
Also, plan to address with Sales.

The Levels are confusing (so far) - I assume there are different level definitions between MVC and BonVoy?


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[CPNY]

Tradewinds is amazing. We did it prior to Covid, probably in 2018, in St Vincent and the Grenadines for a Babymooon that failed. We did not have kids in 2018. We were supposed to adopt 2 older kids in Taiwan in 2018 so we booked a last minute Tradewinds cruise through RCI. Tradewinds told us they were kid friendly. So we purchased a package of points and we were all excited to sail with them in the future with the kids. Then I went online and saw how few sailings they had with kids. So we rescinded.

Our story ended well in the end. We adopted 2 other older kids within the US in 2020 through private adoption (not foster care) - during the height of the pandemic! You never know what joy might come out of a disaster like Covid. For several reasons, if it weren‘t for Covid, we would have never tried to adopt again. Now we have 2 beautiful daughters who we got when they were 5 and 8 - now 7 and 10. The joys of our lives.

I love that!! Congrats and May your family be blessed.

 

[CPNY]

How about Aruba and St. Kitts availability at or past 13 months? And Europe?

Those are the first few resorts I'd probably be targeting to trade into from VSN

Depending on when you want to go you could have already booked Aruba and st kitts all this time in interval. I’ve exchanged into Aruba both surf and ocean clubs with good season Harborside resorts.

 

[CPNY]

Remember, for MVC, not all inventory is released at 13 months. They hold as much as half back for release at 12 months. So if you fail at 13, try again at 12. I've actually found the availability for Maui at 12 months to be far more than at 13.

I wish they would hold some back to be released throughout the year. Imagine a second wave of high demand resorts 6 months out that would make the program a huge draw for some.

 

[TravelTime]

Thanks.

I did correct for the EOY, but inputted wrong CP (2150 vs 1600). it should be $0.74. I could be wrong on the MFs but not by much. I edited above post.

The value for WPORV is truly awful. I can’t wait to bring this up during our next Owners Update.

My average $/CP is 0.47, but w/o WPORV - $/CP is 0.42

I am surprised that our 1Bd WKV P+ is approx. the same as our WKORV OFD ($/CP of 0.42). How does that work?
Also, plan to address with Sales.

The Levels are confusing (so far) - I assume there are different level definitions between MVC and BonVoy?


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I assume your 1BR WKV P+ has a low MF so even though it may be valued at what folks think is too little for P+ season, the $/CP turns out to be cost effective. OTOH, WKOVRN OFD has a high MF but gets a lot of CPs so that would be why the overall $/CP comes out the same.

I do not think too many Vistana owners are doing the $/CP calculation yet. It would be interesting to start a thread about this topic once the dust settles and folks are clear on how many CPs they are getting for their week.

Overall, you are doing great with your Vistana ownerships and conversion rates due to how cost effective they are. $0.47 vs $0.68 with Abound trust points is really outstanding. Your overall average is better than mine since it seems like the CPs awarded to Vistana vs the MF are much more cost effective than trust points and/or many of the Marriott weeks.

Chairman’s club level in Abound maps to Titanium Elite level in Bonvoy on the hotel side. The hotel side benefits are not huge but there are a few like free upgrades (which they always give, some are better than others), early/late check in/out, Silver level with United Airlines, and some others.

I do not bother knowing every level since that gets confusing. I just focus on my levels. In case you have not seen the charts, here they are:

Titanium Elite Benefits

Titanium Elite

Stay 75 Nights in a Year to Unlock Platinum Elite Status With Marriott Bonvoy. Get 75% More Points, 48-Hour Guarantee, Dedicated Elite Support & More.

www.marriott.com

Marriott Vacation Club Benefits

https://www.marriottvacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/OwnershipLevelsResources/benefits_at_a_glance.pdf

 

[dioxide45]

I assume your 1BR WKV P+ has a low MF so even though it may be valued at what folks think is too little for P+ season, the $/CP turns out to be cost effective. OTOH, WKOVRN OFD has a high MF but gets a lot of CPs so that would be why the overall $/CP comes out the same.

I do not think too many Vistana owners are doing the $/CP calculation yet. It would be interesting to start a thread about this topic once the dust settles and folks are clear on how many CPs they are getting for their week.

Overall, you are doing great with your Vistana ownerships and conversion rates due to how cost effective they are. $0.47 vs $0.68 with Abound trust points is really outstanding. Your overall average is better than mine since it seems like the CPs awarded to Vistana vs the MF are much more cost effective than trust points and/or many of the Marriott weeks.

Chairman’s club level in Abound maps to Titanium Elite level in Bonvoy on the hotel side. The hotel side benefits are not huge but there are a few like free upgrades (which they always give, some are better than others), early/late check in/out, Silver level with United Airlines, and some others.

I do not bother knowing every level since that gets confusing. I just focus on my levels. In case you have not seen the charts, here they are:

Titanium Elite Benefits

Titanium Elite

Stay 75 Nights in a Year to Unlock Platinum Elite Status With Marriott Bonvoy. Get 75% More Points, 48-Hour Guarantee, Dedicated Elite Support & More.

www.marriott.com

Marriott Vacation Club Benefits

https://www.marriottvacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/OwnershipLevelsResources/benefits_at_a_glance.pdf

The 1BR WKV units seem to fare better than the whole 2BR. THis is because Marriott is giving them a higher point value. If one was to have one of each side owned separately, they would get more Abound points than the whole 2BR owned together.

 

[byeloe]

The 1BR WKV units seem to fare better than the whole 2BR. THis is because Marriott is giving them a higher point value. If one was to have one of each side owned separately, they would get more Abound points than the whole 2BR owned together.

We purchased our resale units earlier this year. The seller did not have any 2BD inventory left so we bought the set of 1BD. It will be a bonus for us if we ever decide to elect Abound points. The points difference is not insignificant, around 700 I think

 

[TravelTime]

The 1BR WKV units seem to fare better than the whole 2BR. THis is because Marriott is giving them a higher point value. If one was to have one of each side owned separately, they would get more Abound points than the whole 2BR owned together.

Interesting. The points allocations generally make sense but there are always a few outliers.

It would be interesting to have a master thread on point conversions and cost effectiveness of owning the various units based MF per club point.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I assume your 1BR WKV P+ has a low MF so even though it may be valued at what folks think is too little for P+ season, the $/CP turns out to be cost effective. OTOH, WKOVRN OFD has a high MF but gets a lot of CPs so that would be why the overall $/CP comes out the same.

I do not think too many Vistana owners are doing the $/CP calculation yet. It would be interesting to start a thread about this topic once the dust settles and folks are clear on how many CPs they are getting for their week.

Overall, you are doing great with your Vistana ownerships and conversion rates due to how cost effective they are. $0.47 vs $0.68 with Abound trust points is really outstanding. Your overall average is better than mine since it seems like the CPs awarded to Vistana vs the MF are much more cost effective than trust points and/or many of the Marriott weeks.

Chairman’s club level in Abound maps to Titanium Elite level in Bonvoy on the hotel side. The hotel side benefits are not huge but there are a few like free upgrades (which they always give, some are better than others), early/late check in/out, Silver level with United Airlines, and some others.

I do not bother knowing every level since that gets confusing. I just focus on my levels. In case you have not seen the charts, here they are:

Titanium Elite Benefits

Titanium Elite

Stay 75 Nights in a Year to Unlock Platinum Elite Status With Marriott Bonvoy. Get 75% More Points, 48-Hour Guarantee, Dedicated Elite Support & More.

www.marriott.com

Marriott Vacation Club Benefits

https://www.marriottvacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/OwnershipLevelsResources/benefits_at_a_glance.pdf

I did some calculations in Abound for our VSN that have a good $/CP value (~0.42)

For our WKORV OFD VOI, I’ve rented the studio side for $2800. That leaves the 1Bd side at ~$100/nt. That can’t be beat no matter how I slice it. Besides (as mentioned), IMO the 1Bd OFD are one of the best villa locations in VSN (if not the best) - we bought to use it and plan to continue.

For our two 1Bd WKV P+ (large) VOIs:
An Abound location that appeals to us is a 1Bd OV at Waikoloa on The Big Island and looks like there may be some value here using Abound.
However, I have been getting $2200 per week, or a 1Bd at WKORV/N using VSN. From RedWeek for a 1Bd Waikoloa villas listed (for time we would go - 8/25 to 11/16), it looks like some of them can be rented for close to what we get for our rental price at WKV.

Our 2600 points per week from WKV would not get us a week for a 1Bd at Waikoloa

Unless I am missing something, my enthusiasm for Abound has been somewhat tempered.


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[TravelTime]

I did some calculations in Abound for our VSN that have a good $/CP value (~0.42)

For our WKORV OFD VOI, I’ve rented the studio side for $2800. That leaves the 1Bd side at ~$100/nt. That can’t be beat no matter how I slice it. Besides (as mentioned), IMO the 1Bd OFD are one of the best villa locations in VSN (if not the best) - we bought to use it and plan to continue.

For our two 1Bd WKV P+ (large) VOIs:
An Abound location that appeals to us is a 1Bd OV at Waikoloa on The Big Island and looks like there may be some value here using Abound.
However, I have been getting $2200 per week, or a 1Bd at WKORV/N using VSN. From RedWeek for a 1Bd Waikoloa villas listed (for time we would go - 8/25 to 11/16), it looks like some of them can be rented for close to what we get for our rental price at WKV.

Our 2600 points per week from WKV would not get us a week for a 1Bd at Waikoloa

Unless I am missing something, my enthusiasm for Abound has been somewhat tempered.


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I see Abound as convenience since I do not like to deal with renting not matter how easy and profitable it is. But I understand why others like to rent their weeks and use the cash to then rent someone else’s week on Redweek. If I wanted to rent on Redweek I would have never purchased a timeshare myself. Just what works for me.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I see Abound as convenience since I do not like to deal with renting not matter how easy and profitable it is. But I understand why others like to rent their weeks and use the cash to then rent someone else’s week on Redweek. If I wanted to rent on Redweek I would have never purchased a timeshare myself. Just what works for me.

Just because you don’t utilize it, doesn’t make it a non-factor.
I didn’t buy WKV or WKORV OFD with the intent to rent - I didn’t even know that was possible at the time (2006-2008). RedWeek was in its infancy.
However, it turned out to be of extreme value and should not be discounted.


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[jjking42]

what effect do you think this will have on Bulk deposits with II ?

 

[Red elephant]

I assume your 1BR WKV P+ has a low MF so even though it may be valued at what folks think is too little for P+ season, the $/CP turns out to be cost effective. OTOH, WKOVRN OFD has a high MF but gets a lot of CPs so that would be why the overall $/CP comes out the same.

I do not think too many Vistana owners are doing the $/CP calculation yet. It would be interesting to start a thread about this topic once the dust settles and folks are clear on how many CPs they are getting for their week.

Overall, you are doing great with your Vistana ownerships and conversion rates due to how cost effective they are. $0.47 vs $0.68 with Abound trust points is really outstanding. Your overall average is better than mine since it seems like the CPs awarded to Vistana vs the MF are much more cost effective than trust points and/or many of the Marriott weeks.

Chairman’s club level in Abound maps to Titanium Elite level in Bonvoy on the hotel side. The hotel side benefits are not huge but there are a few like free upgrades (which they always give, some are better than others), early/late check in/out, Silver level with United Airlines, and some others.

I do not bother knowing every level since that gets confusing. I just focus on my levels. In case you have not seen the charts, here they are:

Titanium Elite Benefits

Titanium Elite

Stay 75 Nights in a Year to Unlock Platinum Elite Status With Marriott Bonvoy. Get 75% More Points, 48-Hour Guarantee, Dedicated Elite Support & More.

www.marriott.com

Marriott Vacation Club Benefits

https://www.marriottvacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/OwnershipLevelsResources/benefits_at_a_glance.pdf

For SVR it’s $0.42 it’s a good thing you mentioned this as I would never have thought to calculate it. That is a good ratio.
and Nanea is $0.45.
SDO is $0.61 but locking that off and depositing in interval or renting fares better.
I need to calculate WSJ. Not sure if that would be good.

 

[Red elephant]

Interesting. The points allocations generally make sense but there are always a few outliers.

It would be interesting to have a master thread on point conversions and cost effectiveness of owning the various units based MF per club point.

It looks like these conversions are actually better than buying club points. As Chairman I get to book 1-7 days at 13 months I believe and I like booking t sun- thurs based on the point charts.

 

[Red elephant]

Just because you don’t utilize it, doesn’t make it a non-factor.
I didn’t buy WKV or WKORV OFD with the intent to rent - I didn’t even know that was possible at the time (2006-2008). RedWeek was in its infancy.
However, it turned out to be of extreme value and should not be discounted.


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I did not know about redweek till 2 years ago. So it’s helpful to know all options. That’s why I am here. As I have made costly mistakes. Not knowing about resales being one of them but I did buy were I like to go so that is my saving grace

 

[Red elephant]

Depending on when you want to go you could have already booked Aruba and st kitts all this time in interval. I’ve exchanged into Aruba both surf and ocean clubs with good season Harborside resorts.

What period did you exchange for? I own Harborside and would like to try my hand at interval to go to Aruba.

 

[CPNY]

What period did you exchange for? I own Harborside and would like to try my hand at interval to go to Aruba.

Deposit and put in a search. I’ve gotten anytime from May to September (the usual time I go
To Atlantis)

 

[Red elephant]

Deposit and put in a search. I’ve gotten anytime from May to September (the usual time I go
To Atlantis)

Thanks will try May and September .

 

[CPNY]

I did some calculations in Abound for our VSN that have a good $/CP value (~0.42)

For our WKORV OFD VOI, I’ve rented the studio side for $2800. That leaves the 1Bd side at ~$100/nt. That can’t be beat no matter how I slice it. Besides (as mentioned), IMO the 1Bd OFD are one of the best villa locations in VSN (if not the best) - we bought to use it and plan to continue.

For our two 1Bd WKV P+ (large) VOIs:
An Abound location that appeals to us is a 1Bd OV at Waikoloa on The Big Island and looks like there may be some value here using Abound.
However, I have been getting $2200 per week, or a 1Bd at WKORV/N using VSN. From RedWeek for a 1Bd Waikoloa villas listed (for time we would go - 8/25 to 11/16), it looks like some of them can be rented for close to what we get for our rental price at WKV.

Our 2600 points per week from WKV would not get us a week for a 1Bd at Waikoloa

Unless I am missing something, my enthusiasm for Abound has been somewhat tempered.


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My enthusiasm for abound is strictly if I get executive and can try my had at ritz at 13 months. If I can’t then I’ll play around with longer weekends at certain places. The problem for me is booking 12-13 months in advance isn’t ideal. Between my first/main job and my second job as a football official I don’t know when meetings and mandatory things pop up until a month or two before. I wish Marriott would hold inventory back and release it in dribs and drabs to make
Vacation ownership truly flexible