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[ 2021 ] Purchase assistance

I’m glad you scored. Someone clearly needed to get out.
There were many listings on RedWeek earlier in the year for ~$10K [EY-2BR-WKV-P+] which is why I am surprised in the sudden jump.
 
It would be nice if RW would give complete sale history but they don’t. I was looking last summer/fall and didn’t see anything under 13.5k. Oh well, it is what it is and I might have missed a bargain. One off eBay sold north of 15k end of April. The market has reset.
 
It would be nice if RW would give complete sale history but they don’t. I was looking last summer/fall and didn’t see anything under 13.5k. Oh well, it is what it is and I might have missed a bargain. One off eBay sold north of 15k end of April. The market has reset.

Back in the day - we had an eBay thread for SVO (now VSE).
It was one of the most viewed threads on TUG.

No way RW is going to give a sales history - easy enough to track (along with rents) as there are many.

WKV P+ is a quadruple threat: VSN Mandatory, low MF/SO, great resort, and ability to rent.
Ours have easily paid for themselves regardless of price variation.


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No matter what numbers I used I kept getting the same answer. 42 ;)

We bought two resale WKV P+ 1Bd in 2007/8 - since then we have stayed 4 times (Spring Training), exchanged into WKORV (1Bd) twice to tag onto our WKORV OFD usage, and rented the other weeks at >$1K over MF the rest of the time.
And they are worth approx same as paid for them back in 2007/8.
That’s the math I care about.
Hard to beat.


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Here's another one- my dad bought a 2BR OF fixed week at the Royal Resorts in the early 90s for ~$10k (MFs $500-$700 for most of it), stayed there for 29 straight years until the Royal Caribbean was sold in 2018. He received $7k back from the sale, just slightly less than the residual.
 
There were many listings on RedWeek earlier in the year for ~$10K [EY-2BR-WKV-P+] which is why I am surprised in the sudden jump.


How many of those listings are the "many" you saw? The ones currently marked on RW as "sold" for $9999 are actually 1BR units. If you saw a 2BR sell for $10K that was IMO probably a highly unusual case and must have been some kind of distressed sale due to a job loss, inheritance or maybe another unfortunate matter. We live in unusual times, but if a distressed sale happens that doesn't necessarily turn it into the new "market price". I myself bought our first 2 weeks at WKV around 2009/10 (another highly challenging economic period) in what I'd consider "distressed sales" - we were in the right place at the right time and found the right situations without even looking too hard. But that's not the norm and I couldn't repeat that feat for many years thereafter, and I was trying a lot harder.

Another example - I'm currently looking to buy another Platinum week at a Marriott resort and talked to an agent who told me she had 4 inherited weeks that sold for a certain price I would have been ecstatic to pay. I would have bought al 4 for that price... The problem is that I've been looking for someone to sell at the price for 2 years now and still haven't found that person, even with the recent economic downturn. So it all depends on how much you want to wait for that one opportunity.

To consider a reasonable price to pay consider the rental value as an example. That's not factoring in the fact the WKV gives you Hawaii and Atlantis access with a very generous SO/MF ratio - just rental value. The reason the WKV price is not $10,000 is that WKV 2BR P+ easily rents for $4500+ every year, and went for even $5000+ this current year when there were limited travel options and everyone had cabin fever. So if you can get $2500-$3000 over maintenance fees, even at a cash $15,000 outlay that's a 17%-20% annual return on investment. Can you point to many real estate investments with that kind of return on investment? Obviously if you can buy it for less your return would be higher and if you pay more the return is lower. But I'd argue that if someone asked you to pay as high as $25,000 and get $2500 annual income (over your annual expenses) without mentioning the words "timeshare" or "Kierland" that 10% annual return would seem attractive to many people (assuming the $25,000 outlay was mostly recoverable at the end in order for it to actually be a 10% annual return).
 
How many of those listings are the "many" you saw? The ones currently marked on RW as "sold" for $9999 are actually 1BR units. If you saw a 2BR sell for $10K that was IMO probably a highly unusual case and must have been some kind of distressed sale due to a job loss, inheritance or maybe another unfortunate matter. We live in unusual times, but if a distressed sale happens that doesn't necessarily turn it into the new "market price". I myself bought our first 2 weeks at WKV around 2009/10 (another highly challenging economic period) in what I'd consider "distressed sales" - we were in the right place at the right time and found the right situations without even looking too hard. But that's not the norm and I couldn't repeat that feat for many years thereafter, and I was trying a lot harder.

Another example - I'm currently looking to buy another Platinum week at a Marriott resort and talked to an agent who told me she had 4 inherited weeks that sold for a certain price I would have been ecstatic to pay. I would have bought al 4 for that price... The problem is that I've been looking for someone to sell at the price for 2 years now and still haven't found that person, even with the recent economic downturn. So it all depends on how much you want to wait for that one opportunity.

To consider a reasonable price to pay consider the rental value as an example. That's not factoring in the fact the WKV gives you Hawaii and Atlantis access with a very generous SO/MF ratio - just rental value. The reason the WKV price is not $10,000 is that WKV 2BR P+ easily rents for $4500+ every year, and went for even $5000+ this current year when there were limited travel options and everyone had cabin fever. So if you can get $2500-$3000 over maintenance fees, even at a cash $15,000 outlay that's a 17%-20% annual return on investment. Can you point to many real estate investments with that kind of return on investment? Obviously if you can buy it for less your return would be higher and if you pay more the return is lower. But I'd argue that if someone asked you to pay as high as $25,000 and get $2500 annual income (over your annual expenses) without mentioning the words "timeshare" or "Kierland" that 10% annual return would seem attractive to many people (assuming the $25,000 outlay was mostly recoverable at the end in order for it to actually be a 10% annual return).
Between Jan/Feb I saw at least 4.

They dont show up anymore on RedWeek.
Including the one I purchased [which was listed at $11K see snippet I posted earlier in this thread] no longer shows up on RedWeek.

We own 6 x WKV 2BR-P+ Weeks.
Prior to this purchase, we purchased at different times for between $12K & $15K averaging out to ~$13.5K/Week.
 
We bought two resale WKV P+ 1Bd in 2007/8 - since then we have stayed 4 times (Spring Training), exchanged into WKORV (1Bd) twice to tag onto our WKORV OFD usage, and rented the other weeks at >$1K over MF the rest of the time.
And they are worth approx same as paid for them back in 2007/8.
That’s the math I care about.
Hard to beat.


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That's far too simple. Can you please use the formula provided? :giggle:
 
That's far too simple. Can you please use the formula provided? :giggle:

LOL - Truly

And I never bought any Timeshare thinking that it was anything other than an investment in vacationing (the only truth that came from TS Sales), and not a financial one other that trying to get best value upfront.


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We bought two resale WKV P+ 1Bd in 2007/8 - since then we have stayed 4 times (Spring Training), exchanged into WKORV (1Bd) twice to tag onto our WKORV OFD usage, and rented the other weeks at >$1K over MF the rest of the time.
And they are worth approx same as paid for them back in 2007/8.
That’s the math I care about.
Hard to beat.


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Between Jan/Feb I saw at least 4.

They dont show up anymore on RedWeek.
Including the one I purchased [which was listed at $11K see snippet I posted earlier in this thread] no longer shows up on RedWeek.

We own 6 x WKV 2BR-P+ Weeks.
Prior to this purchase, we purchased at different times for between $12K & $15K averaging out to ~$13.5K/Week.

I haven't been following resales closely for many years but my impression was that prices were around $13K-$15K. I think they were $16-$18K prior to the 2008 financial crisis, so as DavidnRobin said, it's kept its value quite well over the past 15 years and for many good reasons. There was a tug member (glorian?) who used to keep track of eBay resales in a spreadsheet.

You will tend to get the best deals in periods like 2009/10 and 2020 because in economic downturns a fire sale is more likely to pop up, but those opportunities don't last for long. The market price is ultimately what people are willing to pay for it on a given day...

LOL - Truly

And I never bought any Timeshare thinking that it was anything other than an investment in vacationing (the only truth that came from TS Sales), and not a financial one other that trying to get best value upfront.


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The "investment in vacationing" argument is something the timeshare salespeople pitch, but most of us here bought resale because of the financial aspect. I assume you also did that with most or all of your weeks?

So even if you think of it as "investing in vacationing" the purchase price matters. I assume the underlying rationale somewhere is that you are better off owning than renting your vacations from others on RedWeek. You'd rather own and pay maintenance fees of $1700 than rent the same week from someone for $4500 because that saves you almost $3000 every time you do it. So you're willing to pay $X upfront for those savings and hope that those $X won't devalue too much (hence you buy resale rather than from the developer). Or maybe also you get a lot of utility from a great oceanfront view at WKORV and want to own it and make sure you are the first to book at exactly 12 months out so you get the best view. But in the end there is always the alternative of renting vacations without owning so the decision to "invest in vacationing" (i.e., own) should translate to some for of personal benefit, whether financial or otherwise, no?
 
Agree that $13k-$15k is a good range for now. Things may change if Marriott tosses things up in 2022.

I did find a January thread that said 6 platinum weeks were on RW between $12k-$16k at the time.
 
Agree that $13k-$15k is a good range for now. Things may change if Marriott tosses things up in 2022.

I did find a January thread that said 6 platinum weeks were on RW between $12k-$16k at the time.
Not sure on what basis RedWeek clears out history as my $11K listing [which closed at $10K] does not show up.

Here is what I see on RedWeek right now.
A couple of $12K listings that are closed.
At $12K I assume they were for 148.1K-SO and its possible they could have closed at offers below asking.

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when i was looking in August, those same 2 units were "sold", the $13.5k was available. look at the old MFs on one, too. I don't think RW updates this correctly.
 
just offered another one at $14.5k from the broker who is in escrow at $15k..my guess is he would take $14k if he doesn't have to post it on RW. nice chap if anyone wants to bargain with him. $400 closing costs iirc.
 
Update: took 60 days to close my timeshare with Vistana, not too shabby.

I just looked 8 months out, see Princeville and Nanea have available 2BR ADA units available and it even tells you the ADA features for easy booking. Excellent news! There are no 1BR even at the other 2 Kaanapali properties in early April available.
 
Update: took 60 days to close my timeshare with Vistana, not too shabby.

I just looked 8 months out, see Princeville and Nanea have available 2BR ADA units available and it even tells you the ADA features for easy booking. Excellent news! There are no 1BR even at the other 2 Kaanapali properties in early April available.
Wonderful news! You will love it!
 
Update: took 60 days to close my timeshare with Vistana, not too shabby.

I just looked 8 months out, see Princeville and Nanea have available 2BR ADA units available and it even tells you the ADA features for easy booking. Excellent news! There are no 1BR even at the other 2 Kaanapali properties in early April available.

Did you book for next summer?


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Update: took 60 days to close my timeshare with Vistana, not too shabby.

I just looked 8 months out, see Princeville and Nanea have available 2BR ADA units available and it even tells you the ADA features for easy booking. Excellent news! There are no 1BR even at the other 2 Kaanapali properties in early April available.
60 days from which point? RedWeek’s titling company had my deed filed 6/28 as I saw it online for SVV. How long from deed filing did it have to take? I was hoping to use our SO at WKV for 9/24-9/29 for our anniversary.
I keep trying to ‘connect’ out membership online using our social # but it can’t find us. How much longer till I should panic lol?
 
At the risk of being chastised by the group, this might be one of those times where buying from the developer is the most workable option. If you buy WPORV resale, you will only be going to that resort. If you buy WPORV from the developer, you will pay a premium but will have the ability to book Princeville at 12 months and the flexibility to book other resorts at 8 months.
WKORV resale is likely a better option
 
60 days from which point? RedWeek’s titling company had my deed filed 6/28 as I saw it online for SVV. How long from deed filing did it have to take? I was hoping to use our SO at WKV for 9/24-9/29 for our anniversary.
I keep trying to ‘connect’ out membership online using our social # but it can’t find us. How much longer till I should panic lol?

We started the process 5/13 with LTT. Received the deed 6/17 and Vistana transfer approval 7/21. Hope that helps.
 
We started the process 5/13 with LTT. Received the deed 6/17 and Vistana transfer approval 7/21. Hope that helps.
Thanks! That really hurts to hear. I find the whole process with Redweek was slow. Slow to get responses about offers. Slow to draw up contract and get all our info then give it to the title company. Slow to get deed filed. Probably slow to get deed transfer to Vistana too. Did they send you a copy of the deed or you saw it filed online? How did Vistana contact you to let you know the transfer was completed? Were you already Vistana owners?
 
they didn't send us anything - LTT gave us an email address mvworlaccountsupport@vacationclub.com if we had issues once we had a contract number.

but i was just able to register at Vistana and assign the contract # and everything popped up. we are first time owners.
 
just an fyi, the pending WKV sale on Redweek is at $14,500
 
just an fyi, the pending WKV sale on Redweek is at $14,500

You are going to love your WKV week. I bought mine to go on spring break with my kids to Scottsdale, and now, I am having second thoughts. I can trade into all sorts of cool places for Spring Break like Nanea, Westin Princeville, Atlantis, even WSJ!

Making me think of renting the spring break week at Westin Kierland and using the WKV to trade into one of the other awesome destinations. And I agree with the others, this property has held its value great. I have been looking for years for a bargain and they are rare. You did good because if you messed around trying to save $1k, you might have missed your 2022 Westin Princeville vacation. Best to get in now, learn the system and start time sharing at the awesome resort that my wife and I fell in love with TUG/timeshares.
 
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