[ 2020 ] Daylight-saving time is an archaic, unhealthy and stupid ritual.

[LannyPC]

Woke up this morning to go to my PT job at Steamboat Ski Area. It was pitch black outside and I couldn’t see. Is this an excused absence?

I guess you would have to ask your boss or supervisor.

 

[Ken555]

This was done during the Gas Crisis of the 70's and caused significant problems for Kids going to school early in the morning.

School start time and ability for children to get there on time is a larger issue. IMO, school starts way too early. We have had threads on this issue before.


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[Sandi Bo]

Switching to Standard time last fall was REALLY hard for my Mom (thus all of) as she was end-stage Alzheimer's (dementia, severe anxiety, sunsetted badly). Already dealing with sunsetting and then adding on the time change was noticeably even more challenging. I don't care what we do, but sure wish we stick to one time or another.

 

[LannyPC]

I don't care what we do, but sure wish we stick to one time or another.

So for you, it's not a matter of what time the sun rises and/or sets, it's the changing of the clocks that you could do without, correct?

This question always comes up when I hear people objecting to DST. I understand there are reasons why but people tend not to say why. Is it the time that the sun rises and/or sets that you object to or is it the procedure of changing the clocks?

 

[letsgobobby]

easy to say we should stick with one.

which one?

Answer has to work equally well for Key West and Anchorage, Boston and Honolulu, winter and summer.

Voilà. There is no easy answer.

I don't "like" changing but I view it as a price worth paying so Sunrise is not at 930 am in the winter or 430 am in the summer. Also I am so happy today that it isn't dark at 610 pm. Makes an evening run after work enjoyable again.

 

[dioxide45]

Since I work nights (usually 5pm - 1am) at WDW, I did not get an extra hour of sleep, I got an extra hour of being awake. I still slept my usual 7 hours, just one hour later.

TS

Since clocks rolled forward, no one got an extra hour of sleep or an extra hour of being awake. There was one less hour in the day. So we all lost an hour of something. Somehow I think your post was just another excuse to mention your bus driving job again.

 

[Born2Travel]

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[Superchief]

Yep, I pointed out that exact same point over three years ago on post #35 on this thread. And people are still whining on here about having to change their clock twice a year. Some things never change...

I honestly think some people just live to complain.

Kurt

I'd rather complain about the extra day in leap year when we don't get paid for the extra day if we are on salary.

 

[Patri]

I'd rather complain about the extra day in leap year when we don't get paid for the extra day if we are on salary.

Lol. Never thought about that.

 

[TheHolleys87]

So for you, it's not a matter of what time the sun rises and/or sets, it's the changing of the clocks that you could do without, correct?

This question always comes up when I hear people objecting to DST. I understand there are reasons why but people tend not to say why. Is it the time that the sun rises and/or sets that you object to or is it the procedure of changing the clocks?

It’s not the procedure of changing the clocks. It’s the jarring sudden change in sunlight when it’s time to get up or when driving home, etc., as opposed to the gradual natural change. I personally would prefer staying on standard time, so that when my granddaughter’s school bus picks her up at 6:20 AM it’s not daylight on Friday and then pitch black on Monday, but I could handle permanent daylight time just as well.

 

[jp10558]

So for you, it's not a matter of what time the sun rises and/or sets, it's the changing of the clocks that you could do without, correct?

This question always comes up when I hear people objecting to DST. I understand there are reasons why but people tend not to say why. Is it the time that the sun rises and/or sets that you object to or is it the procedure of changing the clocks?

At least for me, it's changing the clocks, and moreso changing everything to be earlier or later vs my bodies felt time. It's jet lag without going anywhere. I frankly don't care when the sun rises or sets, I do very very little based on that, nor does the rest of my life - doctors offices, schools, work, all goes by the clock time. The only thing I can think of that schedules anything based on sunset is parks close when the sun sets.

The supposed pro DST benefits didn't show up when we kept making DST longer and longer. At this point I think the 3?? expansions of DST during my life don't show me more darkenss or whatever at all.

 

[dioxide45]

I'd rather complain about the extra day in leap year when we don't get paid for the extra day if we are on salary.

Perhaps though the extra month with three pay cycles (if you are paid bi-weekly) every 6-7 years or so will make up for it. We just had this a couple years ago where there were three months, instead of two, with three pay cycles. They still were paying us our salary divided by 26 even though we had 27 cycles in the year. So our salary was a little higher that year.

 

[Superchief]

Perhaps though the extra month with three pay cycles (if you are paid bi-weekly) every 6-7 years or so will make up for it. We just had this a couple years ago where there were three months, instead of two, with three pay cycles. They still were paying us our salary divided by 26 even though we had 27 cycles in the year. So our salary was a little higher that year.

Most of my companies payed salary people twice per month, so we never got this benefit. One of my companies gave us an extra personal holiday for leap year, which I thought was very fair. However, they were acquired and we lost that benefit and most of us were downsized if we didn't want to move to the East coast.

 

[youppi]

Depending where you live inside a time zone, it can make a difference between your preference between DST and standard time.
The 1 hour step between time zones is too coarse but if it was finer, it would be more complicated.
There is no difference with the Sun's position at the boundary but you have an hour difference depending on which side of the boundary you are.

Some parts or entire US states and Canadian Provinces use the wrong time zone and thus some when they are on the standard time, they are in fact on the DST because they use an advanced time zone like the west part of the Texas that uses the central time but should use the mountain time.

Based on UTC (sun's position), time zones selection should be like this

USA map time zone with political adjusted boundaries

Canada map time zone with political adjusted boundaries

 

[PigsDad]

I'd rather complain about the extra day in leap year when we don't get paid for the extra day if we are on salary.

Dang! I've never thought about that. I was on a salaried job during 8 leap years in my career -- where's my money?!?

Kurt

 

[CO skier]

I'd rather complain about the extra day in leap year when we don't get paid for the extra day if we are on salary.

Every February has less than 30 days. Do you complain about the months every year that have more than 30 days?

You really should think this through before "complaining". Every February is a "bonus" for monthly salaried employees.

 

[Sandi Bo]

So for you, it's not a matter of what time the sun rises and/or sets, it's the changing of the clocks that you could do without, correct?

This question always comes up when I hear people objecting to DST. I understand there are reasons why but people tend not to say why. Is it the time that the sun rises and/or sets that you object to or is it the procedure of changing the clocks?

I think it's an adjustment that does affect our bodies - and there are people more sensitive (such as my mother who had Alzheimer's) to the one hour change. It is an adjustment. And for my mother, who sunsetted, I do think there was increased anxiety with the fallback to standard time in November.

I visited my step-mother on Sunday. She is in an assisted living facility - not memory care, although she does have dementia (I would call it moderate at this point). Many others do as well, even though it's just an assisted living area (versus memory care). My step-mother has countless clocks. I was glad I visited that day because they all needed to be reset (maybe one or two were automatic). There are multiple ones visible in her living room/kitchenette area - of course never perfect - but at least now within a min or two of each other (and have the correct hour).

In the lobby, where multiple people tend to sit, the big clock on the wall was still on standard time. I mentioned to staff (actually asked permission to change the time) and was told the maintenance people would fix it tomorrow (Monday). Multiple times a resident asked if it was really 3:30 not 2:30, etc. And several asked what time dinner (which is always at 4:30) would be (now that we are on daylight savings time). In a world where consistency is key, it for sure rattle things up a bit.

I don't think about doing things in the dark or not. I realize a lot of people do. For me, the biggest thing I see is people worrying about kids waiting for the bus in the dark. That never seemed to be an issue for me, I guess our kids start later here or I was dropping them off (versus worrying about darkness). There is a definite slowdown in rush hour traffic when the sun hits your eyes - and seems like we experience it twice. We work through it only to reset the clock and do it again.

From a programming/IT perspective, time changes were a pain in the butt. I worked on a system that involved scheduling appointments, across the country. And also tracking other health incentive areas such as how many steps you took a day. You would not believe the considerations you have to take to ensure things were landing on the right day and time. We interfaced data from tracking devices - like Garmin or your Apple watch, etc. So we had to know how each of those were tracking time-wise and interface it correctly into our system. Since the end result was employees getting discounts off their insurance premiums (money was involved), it was important and had to be correct.

I learned that Europe changes from standard to daylight savings and vice-versa at different times of year. Our software was written in Europe and made some changes based on the European switch. Live and learn.

There really is a lot of hoopla and pain-in-the butt things that go on. Seems like most people realize Arizona doesn't go to DST - but neither do other places - east of Chicago comes to mind.

Interesting there are logical reasons why Arizona and Hawaii do not:

• Currently, only two states do not observe DST, Arizona and Hawaii. Arizona permanently switched to Standard time in 1968. Due to its scorching temperatures, DST in Arizona is widely considered to be counter-productive. The average spring temperature in the state is 90°F, while average summer temperatures can reach a staggering 112°F.
• Hawaii opted out of the provisions of the 1967 Uniform Time Act, and never observes DST, instead following Hawaii-Aleutian Standard Time. Due to Hawaii's proximity to the equator, there is almost no difference in the amount of daylight during summer and winter, making the main advantage of DST redundant.

If I could pick, I would say Standard Time (otherwise you're still going to have to be considering what time provision a given area is following - if we ever did get to a point where no one was changing).

 

[dioxide45]

Oooops. I was wrong. The Bill to go to full time PST passed the Oregon Senate but did not get a Hearing in the Oregon House. People that talk about going to full time DST have short memories. This was done during the Gas Crisis of the 70's and caused significant problems for Kids going to school early in the morning.

I wasn't even in school when that would have been an issue. One thing about schools that I find odd is how early they start and end. I didn't get out of school until about 4pm when I was growing up. These days I see busses rolling at 2:30pm. Perhaps they could just start the school day a later and end it later. Then kids would be going to school and coming home in daylight all the time if there was a permanent switch to DST.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

Personally i kind of like the change, but maybe that's just because i am used this happening.

We just flew home from Hong Kong on Sunday, so didn't even notice the time change... It just all rolled into the standard jet lag

 

[Talent312]

It makes my boring life just a bit more interesting and
provides a topic of conversation, besides the weather.
.

 

[amycurl]

It’s a twice-yearly reminder that linear time is a human construction.

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[simpsontruckdriver]

It’s a twice-yearly reminder that linear time is a human construction.

Time on Earth is dependent on the Sun and our rotation. But, if you're in Space, you "age" the same, but you no longer have concept of time. The space ship would need a clock so you can coordinate your biorhythms, but there is nothing to set the clocks to (Earth uses atomic time centers). If you're out of range of communication with Earth, and your clock fails, what do you use to set the correct time? If you have an actual atomic clock (with the radioactice materials), it's going to end in hundreds of years, then what? You don't have a new supply of the minerals to reset it.

I'm getting a headache from thinking too much

TS

 

[Brett]

send in your postcard !!

 

[pedro47]

send in your postcard !!


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That post card must be worth at least one hundred dollars in todays collecting market.LOL

 

[pedro47]

Time on Earth is dependent on the Sun and our rotation. But, if you're in Space, you "age" the same, but you no longer have concept of time. The space ship would need a clock so you can coordinate your biorhythms, but there is nothing to set the clocks to (Earth uses atomic time centers). If you're out of range of communication with Earth, and your clock fails, what do you use to set the correct time? If you have an actual atomic clock (with the radioactice materials), it's going to end in hundreds of years, then what? You don't have a new supply of the minerals to reset it.

I'm getting a headache from thinking too much

TS

What time is it in space and what day is it in space? Does are some Heavy questions simpsontruckdriv ? LOL