[2014] Most plausible explanation of mystery of Malasyian Flight 370

[ricoba]

So, if the report this morning is accurate about the jet crashing in the Indian Ocean, I guess the only question is why it was over the Indian Ocean instead of heading to China?

How long do you think before they find any debris or any answers to this mystery?

 

[csxjohn]

It doesn't:

I was addressing Bills post where the stated

Not really confirmed as flight 370 yet a wreck has been found.

A wreck being found and wreckage not being recoverd is not contritictory.

You can find something without being able to recover any of it.

I thought maybe I missed something on that page that said a wreck was found.

I can't click on all the links and arrows and stuff, my computer is very old and slow so I miss a lot.

 

[DeniseM]

I was addressing Bills post where the stated: Not really confirmed as flight 370 yet a wreck has been found.

I was addressing the same post - a wreck has not been found. More "suspicious objects," were found, but nothing confirmed. However, the article he referenced did have a (phony) picture of a plane underwater, so maybe he just read the picture.

Earlier today, an Australian plane spotted two objects described as gray or green and "circular" as well as orange and "rectangular" in the search area off Australia's coast.

Other search crews had spotted "suspicious objects" in the Indian Ocean over the weekend -- including items believed to be wooden pallets. The Malaysian government said that the missing Boeing 777-200 had been carrying wooden pallets, were not yet sure whether the pallets matched.

No wreckage has yet to be recovered.

 

[ace2000]

How long do you think before they find any debris or any answers to this mystery?

24 hours. Why? Because I haven't been wrong yet!

 

[Beefnot]

So, if the report this morning is accurate about the jet crashing in the Indian Ocean, I guess the only question is why it was over the Indian Ocean instead of heading to China?

How long do you think before they find any debris or any answers to this mystery?

That is not a question. My theory (and maybe Goodfellow's theory to supposedly) account for this.

Regarding wreckage, as we have learned, virtually all of the facts have changed over the last two weeks, so the only incontrovertable fact right now is that the plane is missing.

 

[ace2000]

So, if the report this morning is accurate about the jet crashing in the Indian Ocean, I guess the only question is why it was over the Indian Ocean instead of heading to China?

It's all about the "left turn" the aircraft made. It appears that the satellites have backed it up.

 

[easyrider]

I was addressing the same post - a wreck has not been found. More "suspicious objects," were found, but nothing confirmed. However, the article he referenced did have a (phony) picture of a plane underwater, so maybe he just read the picture.

I meant a possible wreck has been found. Is that better Denise ? I can't believe the way you post sometimes.

Engineers say they have it figured out somewhat.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...arrowed-satellite-analysts-work-expert-n60666

Bill

 

[DeniseM]

Bill: They have been finding "possible wreckage" for two weeks - that is a FAR cry from posting, "yet a wreck has been found," and then posting an article with a phony picture of a plane underwater. You hurt your own credibility with the type of stuff you post - repeatedly!

 

[Clemson Fan]

It appears like we're finally completing our big huge circle on this story. Now back to Mr. Goodfellow's theory which I still believe gives the most plausible explanation to what probably happened.

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04

Is it 100% accurate? Of course not! However, it's probably closer to the truth then any other theory out there. What I do think it gets absolutely right is that the plane flew for 7 hours with everybody dead on board until it ran out of fuel and then dropped into the Southern Indian Ocean. How we got to everybody being dead on board I don't think we'll ever know.

What this story has shown is how just atrociously bad journalism has become! From CNN to the NY Times and other "respected" media outlets with their respected "experts", they've constantly reported speculation as "facts"! It looks like they all went to easyriders school of journalism.

 

[easyrider]

Bill: They have been finding "possible wreckage" for two weeks - that is a FAR cry from posting, "yet a wreck has been found," and then posting an article with a phony picture of a plane underwater. You hurt your own credibility with the type of stuff you post - repeatedly!

The entire sentence I posted was "Not really confirmed as flight 370 yet a wreck has been found."

Wouldn't the first half of this sentence, " Not confirmed as flight 370" mean that the second half may or may not be parts of 370 ?

If not, thank you for the correction, but imo, it wasn't really worth bringing up in a disparaging manner.

Bill

 

[DeniseM]

I didn't bring it up - csxjohn asked if "a wreck had been found," and I answered him.

No, "a wreck," has not been found - some floating debris have been found. No one even knows if they are part of an airplane, because the ocean is full of floating garbage!

If you are going to post stuff like this as if it's a fact, you should expect to get some "feedback."

 

["Roger"]

Here is what I take to be the most plausible explanation that I have heard ...

An alien transported himself (herself?) into the brain of the copilot and set off a death ray killing all aboard except for the copilot who had been given a toxin which shielded him from the death ray. Fortunately for us, the NSA had been monitoring the computers of the alien's death star and knew of the plot. An Air Force jet was sent to destroy the plane and a high speed chase ensued across the Malay peninsula. The Malaysian military had been given a heads up so did not immediately report the planes crossing their air space. The 777 was successfully shot down over the Indian Ocean, the parts collected, and sent to Roswell, NM to be reconstructed with the copilot (with alien aboard) being held in captivity. Meanwhile, the CIA has contracted with the same firm that built the mock up of the never-did-happen lunar landing to build a fictional devastated 777 to drop further away in the Indian Ocean to be spotted by Chinese satellites and recovered for public consumption. The reason it has taken so long to carry out this last part of the plan is that the reconstruction has been beleaguered by cost overruns and Congressional budget cuts.

Do you want to hear my theory about Amelia Earhart?

 

[MULTIZ321]

Here is what I take to be the most plausible explanation that I have heard ...

An alien transported himself (herself?) into the brain of the copilot and set off a death ray killing all aboard except for the copilot who had been given a toxin which shielded him from the death ray. Fortunately for us, the NSA had been monitoring the computers of the alien's death star and knew of the plot. An Air Force jet was sent to destroy the plane and a high speed chase ensued across the Malay peninsula. The Malaysian military had been given a heads up so did not immediately report the planes crossing their air space. The 777 was successfully shot down over the Indian Ocean, the parts collected, and sent to Roswell, NM to be reconstructed with the copilot (with alien aboard) being held in captivity. Meanwhile, the CIA has contracted with the same firm that built the mock up of the never-did-happen lunar landing to build a fictional devastated 777 to drop further away in the Indian Ocean to be spotted by Chinese satellites and recovered for public consumption. The reason it has taken so long to carry out this last part of the plan is that the reconstruction has been beleaguered by cost overruns and Congressional budget cuts.

Do you want to hear my theory about Amelia Earhart?

Hi Roger,

While you're on a roll, keep going...


Richard

 

[Beefnot]

It appears like we're finally completing our big huge circle on this story. Now back to Mr. Goodfellow's theory which I still believe gives the most plausible explanation to what probably happened.

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04

Is it 100% accurate? Of course not! However, it's probably closer to the truth then any other theory out there. What I do think it gets absolutely right is that the plane flew for 7 hours with everybody dead on board until it ran out of fuel and then dropped into the Southern Indian Ocean. How we got to everybody being dead on board I don't think we'll ever know.

What this story has shown is how just atrociously bad journalism has become! From CNN to the NY Times and other "respected" media outlets with their respected "experts", they've constantly reported speculation as "facts"! It looks like they all went to easyriders school of journalism.

I still like my theory the best. But agree on the bad journalism. Gave rise to these kooky conspiracy theories.

An aside: One of the most horrific air emergencies I have ever heard of was this one episode of "Air Emergency" where a volcanic eruption on some island in the South Pacific (I think) had spewn ash up into the atmosphere that choked oxygen to the engines and they went out. The plane was gliding in the darkness, with some weird flashes of light from the volcanic ash or something like that, until the plane went into a straight nosedive hurtling toward the ocean. Everyone on board was screaming to their certain oceanic death until the pilots managed to restart the engines and lift the plane at the nick of time avoiding impact. They also interviewed passengers who were on that flight. Man that was a crazy suspenseful episode.

Ok now I don't want to fly over the South Pacific. I've just removed 1/4 of the world from my future vacation plans. I realize this is completely irrational. And I'm comfortable with that.

 

[csxjohn]

I still like my theory the best. But agree on the bad journalism. Gave rise to these kooky conspiracy theories.

An aside: One of the most horrific air emergencies I have ever heard of was this one episode of "Air Emergency" where a volcanic eruption on some island in the South Pacific (I think) had spewn ash up into the atmosphere that choked oxygen to the engines and they went out. The plane was gliding in the darkness, with some weird flashes of light from the volcanic ash or something like that, until the plane went into a straight nosedive hurtling toward the ocean. Everyone on board was screaming to their certain oceanic death until the pilots managed to restart the engines and lift the plane at the nick of time avoiding impact. They also interviewed passengers who were on that flight. Man that was a crazy suspenseful episode.

Ok now I don't want to fly over the South Pacific. I've just removed 1/4 of the world from my future vacation plans. I realize this is completely irrational. And I'm comfortable with that.

Then you probably don't want to fly anywhere near large bodies of water or large shopping centers where large flocks of seagulls or other birds congregate.

I can't find a good story about it but the day after the air show in Cleveland in 1981, the Air Force Thunder Birds were taking off to leave and the lead plane ingested enough seagulls to kill the jet engines. Both crew members ejected but the pilot's chute on the ejector seat did not deploy and he crashed against the rocks and rolled into the lake. They said he died instantly. He was the leader of the Thunder Birds at that time.

 

[SMHarman]

I still like my theory the best. But agree on the bad journalism. Gave rise to these kooky conspiracy theories.

An aside: One of the most horrific air emergencies I have ever heard of was this one episode of "Air Emergency" where a volcanic eruption on some island in the South Pacific (I think) had spewn ash up into the atmosphere that choked oxygen to the engines and they went out. The plane was gliding in the darkness, with some weird flashes of light from the volcanic ash or something like that, until the plane went into a straight nosedive hurtling toward the ocean. Everyone on board was screaming to their certain oceanic death until the pilots managed to restart the engines and lift the plane at the nick of time avoiding impact. They also interviewed passengers who were on that flight. Man that was a crazy suspenseful episode.

Ok now I don't want to fly over the South Pacific. I've just removed 1/4 of the world from my future vacation plans. I realize this is completely irrational. And I'm comfortable with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

Remember TATL Air Traffic became a mess (as did Europe) when Iceland exploded a few years back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_travel_disruption_after_the_2010_Eyjafjallajökull_eruption

 

[csxjohn]

..What this story has shown is how just atrociously bad journalism has become! From CNN to the NY Times and other "respected" media outlets with their respected "experts", they've constantly reported speculation as "facts"! It looks like they all went to easyriders school of journalism.

What I find just as bad is the public taking everything they read and hear in the news outlets as fact and repeating it as fact.

When I was very young I witnessed an event that was reported on extensively in the papers and on TV.

I was there and didn't recognize most of what was being said and written.

From that day on I realized that you cannot believe the news, they talk to hear themselves and see themselves.

What's funny is, I don't remember the incident today but I do remember very well the lessons learned about news reporting. If I think on it a while I may remember what it was but it's really not important.

 

[MULTIZ321]

What I find just as bad is the public taking everything they read and hear in the news outlets as fact and repeating it as fact.

When I was very young I witnessed an event that was reported on extensively in the papers and on TV.

I was there and didn't recognize most of what was being said and written.

From that day on I realized that you cannot believe the news, they talk to hear themselves and see themselves.

What's funny is, I don't remember the incident today but I do remember very well the lessons learned about news reporting. If I think on it a while I may remember what it was but it's really not important.

John,

Any chance it was the original Sam Sheppard Murder Trial and how he was vilified by 'The Cleveland Press' and 'The Cleveland Plain Dealer'?


Richard

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

What I find just as bad is the public taking everything they read and hear in the news outlets as fact and repeating it as fact.

When I was very young I witnessed an event that was reported on extensively in the papers and on TV.

I was there and didn't recognize most of what was being said and written.

From that day on I realized that you cannot believe the news, they talk to hear themselves and see themselves.

What's funny is, I don't remember the incident today but I do remember very well the lessons learned about news reporting. If I think on it a while I may remember what it was but it's really not important.

In an earlier life I was a person designated by my employer (a government agency) to provide information to the news media on various. There was a significant story one time for which the Sacramento bureau of one of the major San Francisco area television stations was preparing an investigative piece. I spent time over three or four days responding to questions and providing them information to be sure they had all of the background and context.

When they ran the story there were several very significant parts of the story that were simply false, and that they had to have known were false because they were flatly contradicted by written information and documentation I had provided to them.

I happened to be in Sacramento a couple of days later, and I called on my contact (who was the an Assistant News Director for the station and the manager of the Sacramento Bureau) about the errors. He told me that he knew full well that the story wasn't accurate, "But", he said, "it was a better story the way we presented it".

 

[Phydeaux]

Am I the only person here that finds it just a bit odd that all media outlets have now determined that the aircraft has crashed into the ocean, and all aboard are dead? Yet, no one has pulled a single piece of aircraft out of the water. Are ships even at the site of the "debris", yet?

 

[csxjohn]

John,

Any chance it was the original Sam Sheppard Murder Trial and how he was vilified by 'The Cleveland Press' and 'The Cleveland Plain Dealer'?


Richard

No, my family and I were in Bay Village sometime on July 5th, 1954 for a parade or something and an unusual number of police cars and ambulances went roaring by. I remember my dad commenting "someone must have been murdered."

The investigation and reporting shows how when someone gets something in their mind they let it keep them from being objective. This supreme court decision came out of the case.

"Since the state trial judge did not fulfill his duty to protect Sheppard from the inherently prejudicial publicity which saturated the community and to control disruptive influences in the courtroom, we must reverse the denial of the habeas petition. The case is remanded to the District Court with instructions to issue the writ and order that Sheppard be released from custody unless the State puts him to its charges again within a reasonable time."

Here are excerpts from some news stories, it was crazy.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/sheppard/sheppardnewspaper.html

This case made F. Lee Bailey famous.


I think the post by T_R_Oglodyte shows that news people are not going to let the truth get in the way of a good story.

 

["Roger"]

Am I the only person here that finds it just a bit odd that all media outlets have now determined that the aircraft has crashed into the ocean, and all aboard are dead? Yet, no one has pulled a single piece of aircraft out of the water. Are ships even at the site of the "debris", yet?

Option #1: See post 262.

Option #2: Remember that the Malaysian authorities have been vehemently criticized by relatives of the plane's passengers for not being forthcoming about what they know. (They have also been criticized for not seeking outside help fast enough, but that is a different issue.) The British analysis tell them that they are certain that the satellite pings show that the plane headed down the southern route, that the pings stopped after the plane would have run out of fuel, and there are no landing possibilities anywhere in the vicinity. Now what? Withhold what you know? Call the relatives in, tell them privately that there is no hope, and offer to fly them to Australia? (How long would that remain private?) Or, do what they did?

I suspect (speculation) that they have also been told that fine tuned analysis of the debris photo makes it "likely" that at least some of it is from the plane. They do not include this in their statement because they will be asked exactly which photos and if those turn out to be something else, they end up looking bad again.

 

[ace2000]

Am I the only person here that finds it just a bit odd that all media outlets have now determined that the aircraft has crashed into the ocean, and all aboard are dead? Yet, no one has pulled a single piece of aircraft out of the water. Are ships even at the site of the "debris", yet?

They're saying they now have satellite evidence that the plane went down in the Indian ocean. I have no idea why it took 2 weeks for them before they realized they had that evidence.

The ships are at the site but bad weather has delayed the search for another day. So far, it has only been visual sightings of the debris from airplanes.

 

[MULTIZ321]

Australia Temporarily Suspends Search As Airline Echoes Belief That MH370 Crashed - by Brian Feldman/ Malaysian Airflight 370 Crash/ The Wire.com

"Horrendous weather conditions in the Indian Ocean forced Australia to delay its search mission for flight MH370 for another 24 hours on Tuesday morning. As the vie chief of the Australian Defence Force phrased it to reporters, “We’re not searching for a needle in a haystack. We’re still trying to define where the haystack is.” ..."

Weather Stops Plane Hunt As China Demands Data - by Scott McDonald and Eileen Ng/ The Big Story/ Associated Press/ bigstory.ap.org

"KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Bad weather suspended the search Tuesday for any remains of a Malaysian jetliner as China demanded information a day after Malaysia's leader said the heartbreaking conclusion was that Flight 370 had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean with no survivors.

Planes and ships have been crisscrossing a remote area of ocean 2,500 kilometers (1,550 miles) southwest of Australia, but the search was called off because of waves up to 4 meters (12 feet), high winds and heavy rain.

The suspension comes after a somber announcement late Monday by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak saying the plane had crashed in the sea, but which also left unanswered many troubling questions about why the Boeing 777, which was en route to Beijing on March 8 when it disappeared, was so far off-course..."

Richard

 

[ace2000]

Here's a good source on how it was solved.


HOW INMARSAT USED THE DOPPLER EFFECT TO TRACK DOWN MH370'S LAST KNOWN POSITION

British satellite firm Inmarsat discovered on March 9 that MH370 had continued flying for at least another six hours after its last voice transmission from the cockpit at 1.19am on Saturday March 8.

It knew this from an electronic 'handshake' that the plane gave to one of its satellites. This placed it in one of two corridors, running north to kazakhstan, or south to the Indian Ocean.

The satellite received several more pings from the aircraft, but Inmarsat weren't immediately able to work out its trajectory because the satellite isn't GPS enabled.
However, the pings contained hidden clues in their wave frequencies. Inmarsat, using some very clever mathematical modelling, deduced that the frequency of the waves were changing in a way that gave away the plane's locations.

It's called the Doppler effect, named after the Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who proposed it in 1842.

He noticed how wave frequencies changed as an observer moved around the source. In modern life we experience it frequently as the sounds of sirens from emergency service vehicles change as they move away from us.

A similar effect was occurring with MH370 that enabled Inmarsat to rule out a northerly trajectory. The frequencies of the pings it was returning meant it was travelling south.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-families-passengers-crew.html#ixzz2wynaqwLR