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[2014] Most plausible explanation of mystery of Malasyian Flight 370

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And another Malaysia plane just experienced an emergency. Hmm.


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But in those early hours of March 8, pilots flying nearby heard an unusual crescendo of chatter on the radio frequencies used by radar control in Vietnam and Malaysia. Air traffic personnel in both countries were trying and failing to reach the plane.

“Any stations in contact with Malaysian 370, please relay.”

Vietnamese and Malaysian controllers asked one aircraft after another to radio the jet. Pilots listened as one plane after another tried and heard only static..."
Strange, when no one could connect with the plane, no military aircraft went out to find it? No one cared?
 

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From what I've read, one of the reasons to get to a lower altitude is in the event of loss of pressurization, and is a safety action. I'm sure the pilots who are on tug can speak to this issue. Sorry if this has been covered already in the last few hundred posts...

Yes, I just needed to edit out the altitude piece of it.

I believe that shortly after the last communication, a severe mechanical event could have occurred that may have gone so far as to cripple flight instrumentation and the ability to communicate. In the dark of night, in the blind, with a malfunctioning plane. Do they continue on course or do they make a decision to immediately reverse course back toward land? They turn back, drop altitude in order to preserve fuel (and even to breathe if cabin depressurization was involved), in hopes that they will eventually be able to regain communication and control of the plane nearer to land. They cannot drop too low so as not to smack dead into a mountain, but low enough that when they have control and reorientation by the light of day,they will be able to rapidly descend and land safely. But ultimately that failed as they never fully regained control of the plane or orientation toward a safe landing strip.
 

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Strange, when no one could connect with the plane, no military aircraft went out to find it? No one cared?

That is probably a key reason why it took a week before Malaysia and Siam confirmed they had actually tracked the plane on primary radar. By making that acknowledgement, each countries' defense forces was admitting that an unidentified plane had intruded into its air space without provoking a response. Very embarrassing, and in both cases the military only reluctantly made that admission.
 

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I've seen it. I'm just assuming that if the Taliban had an airstrip and hangar that could accommodate a 777, wouldn't that mean they already have their own large plane? Definitely not a 777, but it seems that would have their own large plane already. Sorry, not buying into either one of these theories.

Yep.

Hangars that are big enough to handle a 777 aren't routinely constructed at airports. You only build a hangar that size because you expect to be regularly conducting service and repair on planes that size.

If you are going to assume the plane is housed in hangar somewhere, the search becomes very easy, because now there are only a handful of locations where the plane can be. And because of the military significance of that information, it's likely that those have all been cleared.

I'm pretty confident that if the Taliban, for example, controlled in airfield in Pakistan or Afghanistan that could house a 777, that location would be under pretty heavy monitoring by US forces in the area. Suppose someone were able to land a 777 undetected in a Taliban or al Qaeda controlled airport, under the noses of the US military where we are actively engaged in hostile actions. If that were true, I submit we would then have far more serious security questions to deal with than the dangers associated with al Qaeda having a 777 in their possession halfway across the globe.
 

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I believe that shortly after the last communication, a severe mechanical event could have occurred that may have gone so far as to cripple flight instrumentation and the ability to communicate. In the dark of night, in the blind, with a malfunctioning plane. Do they continue on course or do they make a decision to immediately reverse course back toward land? They turn back, drop altitude in order to preserve fuel (and even to breathe if cabin depressurization was involved), in hopes that they will eventually be able to regain communication and control of the plane nearer to land. They cannot drop too low so as not to smack dead into a mountain, but low enough that when they have control and reorientation by the light of day,they will be able to rapidly descend and land safely. But ultimately that failed as they never fully regained control of the plane or orientation toward a safe landing strip.

Is your last name Goodfellow? That sounds fairly close to the original Goodfellow theory that began this whole thread.
 

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Is your last name Goodfellow? That sounds fairly close to the original Goodfellow theory that began this whole thread.

Well I'll be. I suppose great minds think alike.
 

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Israel has said that they feel the lost 777 is viable and could be used against them.

You keep making the mistake of confusing what one private Israeli citizen, Isaac Yeffet, says as being what the nation of Isreal says! Let's be truthful, the state of Israel has said no such thing!

I do suppose, though, you could get a reporting job at any of the major news outlets because they've all seemed to have gone to the same school of journalism as you have.
 
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TODAY SHOW is now saying they now believe the airliner went down 460 miles off of the Australian coast in the Indian ocean
 

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You keep making the mistake of confusing what one private Israeli citizen, Isaac Yeffet, says as being what the nation of Isreal says! Let's be truthful, the state of Israel has said no such thing!

I do suppose, though, you could get a reporting job at any of the major news outlets because they've all seemed to have gone to the same school of journalism as you have.

Thank You Clem... Your very kind to say so. ;)

I started with an interview with Retired General McInerney who said he felt flight 370 landed in Pakistan. After 10 days of not finding 370 this is as good an explanation as any. This was an interview with Sean Hannity.

You do realize that Issaac Yeffet is a retired Israeli agent and a former head of security for Israeli Airlines ? Currently he is working as an airline security consultant in the USA. So yes, I would entertain what this guy thinks could have happened as true before what the country of Malaysia thinks.

The head of the pilots ass. in Israel feels 370 will be found at the bottom of the ocean.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.581376

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Malaysia: Missing Flight Crashed in Indian Ocean - from Associated Press/ Yahoo!News.com

"KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says a new analysis of satellite data indicates the missing Malaysia Airlines plane plunged into a remote corner of the Indian Ocean..."


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TODAY SHOW is now saying they now believe the airliner went down 460 miles off of the Australian coast in the Indian ocean

At this point, anyone would be crazy not to believe it's in the Indian ocean. That's where they are seeing the floating debris and that's where they are frantically searching.

If anyone believes otherwise at this point, please step forward. :)
 

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Malaysia Says Missing Plane Crashed in Indian Ocean - by Stuart Grudgings/ Reuters.com

"(Reuters) - The Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared over two weeks ago crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Monday.

New satellite analysis from Britain had shown that Flight MH370, with 239 people on board, was last seen in the middle of the Indian Ocean west of Perth, Australia, he said in a statement.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites," Najib said.

"It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

Najib added that the families of those on board had been informed of the developments.

His comments came as an Australian navy ship was close to finding possible debris from the jetliner after a mounting number of sightings of floating objects that are believed to parts of the plane.

The objects, described as a "grey or green circular object" and an "orange rectangular object", were spotted on Monday afternoon, said Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, adding that three planes were also en route to the area..."



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You do realize that Issaac Yeffet is a retired Israeli agent and a former head of security for Israeli Airlines ? Currently he is working as an airline security consultant in the USA. So yes, I would entertain what this guy thinks could have happened as true before what the country of Malaysia thinks.

Do you realize that he is a private Isreali citizen and does not speak for the State of Isreal?

Again, saying "Isreal" states this based on this one private citizens opinion is like saying the United States of America says TWA 800 was shot down by a wayward Navy missle because that's what Pierre Salinger stated and believed.
 

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At this point, anyone would be crazy not to believe it's in the Indian ocean. That's where they are seeing the floating debris and that's where they are frantically searching.

If anyone believes otherwise at this point, please step forward. :)

Nope. They're hiding it in that same sound stage where they produced the faked moon landings! That's pretty obvious!
 

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I'll go ahead and provide a little more from the source article above.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 went down over the southern Indian Ocean, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Monday, citing a new analysis of satellite data by a British satellite company and accident investigators, and apparently ending hopes that anyone survived.

A relative of a missing passenger briefed by the airline in Beijing said, "They have told us all lives are lost."

The Prime Minister based his announcement on what he described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data sent by the plane by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis.

But he said it made it clear that the plane's last position was in the middle of the remote southern Indian Ocean, "far from any possible landing sites."
 

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So much for my theory of it smashing into a mountain en-route to Central Asia. Now to find it. No small feat. Like a very small needle in almost countless haystacks.

Even if they DO find the wreckage, AND retrieve either or both recorders, due to the amount of time the plane flew on, there could well be no anomalies on the recordings. This may live on as one of the world's great mysteries. What happened aboard MH 370?

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Do you realize that he is a private Isreali citizen and does not speak for the State of Isreal?

Again, saying "Isreal" states this based on this one private citizens opinion is like saying the United States of America says TWA 800 was shot down by a wayward Navy missle because that's what Pierre Salinger stated and believed.

Ok, I get your point.

Even though Yeffet is a private Israeli citizen his opinion is regarded highly among airline security officials worldwide, including Israel.

Not really confirmed as flight 370 yet a wreck has been found.
http://breakingthenews.weebly.com/1...-in-the-southern-indian-ocean-yahoo-news.html

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Hi Phydeaux,

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Malaysia Airlines Fight 370: Runways in Range - from wnyc.org

Gan Airport (Maldives) is in that grouping. Wonder if authorities seriously checked out the sighting of the low flying aircraft. The military base at Diego Garcia is only about 580 miles from the Maldives - we certainly could quickly have some assets there to conduct a search.



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Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane: Maldives Discounted As Possible Location for MH370 - by Jason Koutsoukis/ World/ The Sydney Morning Herald/ smh.com.au

"Eyewitness reports of a possible sighting of missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 flying near the Maldives have been officially discounted in a statement issued by the Maldives National Defence Force.

These reports were also confirmed by Malaysia's Transport Minister, Hishamuddin Hussein..."

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Viewing gallery in Kuala Lumpur: An artwork conveying well-wishes for the passengers and crew of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

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