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[2014] Most plausible explanation of mystery of Malasyian Flight 370

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Gilligan's Island: That's an atoll on the North side of Oahu... way too far.
More Likely: The island where Amelia Earhart lived out her days.

My Theory: No one here, and no media outlet, has mentioned it, yet... Alien Abduction.
It has been documented in the "X-Files" and to me, seems provable or unprovable as any.

<ducking>
... with apologies to anyone offended.
 

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If that is the wreckage, there should have been an ELT going off, or even a transmitter from the black box. There was no mention of that in the news. I will be surprised if it is the wreckage. Also, if the plane crashed into the ocean or land, satellites should have picked up the ELT and they should have found it earlier.

Hopefully I am wrong and they find MH 370 and we don't have to worry about terrorists using that plane to make an attack.

Agreed.....And didn't Chinese satellites pick up "wreckage" days ago?
 
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And what's the purpose of these crap satellite images??



Here's my home, taken by Google Earth.



Note 24m diagonal line. Note the well head cap, aprox. 6" in diameter.

Yes, I realize the imagery shot for Google Earth is different than what is being shot for search & recovery. But do you really think this is the best satellite imagery search & recovery can produce?
 
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What would you do if you were in full command at some remote location and you were suddenly responsible for dealing with 200 corpses?

That's the point. Burning them would draw attention from the smoke. Burying them is too much work. I guess they could leave them in a pile or throw them in the sea. Just makes this scenario seem less likely.
 

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\ That's a very heavy aircraft and if it's a soft runway (dirt, clay, grass, etc.) the landing gear would sink in on landing causing the aircraft to be torn apart.

How many 5000' + runways do you know of that are dirt, clay, grass, or any surface other than concrete?
 

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Gilligan's Island: That's an atoll on the North side of Oahu... way too far.
More Likely: The island where Amelia Earhart lived out her days.

My Theory: No one here, and no media outlet, has mentioned it, yet... Alien Abduction.
It has been documented in the "X-Files" and to me, seems provable or unprovable as any.

<ducking>
... with apologies to anyone offended.

And don't forget time travel!

The Odyssey of flight 33

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi3520833305/?ref_=tt_ov_vi

At about 6:00 in Rod comes in and explains.

I saw it years ago on The Twilight Zone. An aircraft that hit the exact right speed disappeared into a different time.

I can still picture the crew looking out the plane windows and seeing dinosaurs.

With 1:40 left Rod comes in again and sums it up.


Good advice, keep calm and pray.



And don't forget The Last Flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g6RltYf_Sk


Since I saw it on TV it must be true.
 

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Clemson Fan - thanks for starting the thread and for posting the Goodfellow theory. I've seen it referred to many times by the media since you've posted.

What the h* do any of us know? The thread has been a fun read.
 
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Clemson Fan - thanks for starting the thread and for posting the Goodfellow theory. I've seen it referred to many times by the media since you've posted.

What the h* do any of us know? The thread has been a fun read.

Exactly as much as Goodfellow ;)
 

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And don't forget time travel!

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1603863&postcount=115

Apparently, they are on that.
Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time

http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA—Following a host of conflicting reports in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 last Saturday, representatives from the Kuala Lumpur–based carrier acknowledged they had widened their investigation into the vanished Boeing 777 aircraft today to encompass not only the possibilities of mechanical failure, pilot error, terrorist activity, or a botched hijacking, but also the overarching scope of space, time, and humankind’s place in the universe.

“We continue to do everything in our power and explore every possible lead—both Cartesian and phenomenological—to locate the aircraft as quickly as possible,” said Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, who went on to say that authorities were still actively seeking tips from anyone claiming knowledge related either to the flight, or to the mechanisms by which consciousness arises, or to the question of why anything physical and finite exists instead of nothing at all. “At this stage, we can’t rule anything out: not crew interference with the transponders, not a catastrophic electrical failure, not the emergence of a complex topological feature of space-time such as an Einstein-Rosen bridge that could have deposited the flight at any location in the universe or a different time period altogether, nothing.”

“Could a parallel universe have immediately swelled up from random cosmological fluctuation according to the multiverse theory and swallowed the flight into its folds, or could ice have built up on an airspeed sensor? Those are both options we are currently considering,” Rahman added. “Everything’s on the table. That is, insofar as anything exists at all, which we’re also looking into.”
 

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How many 5000' + runways do you know of that are dirt, clay, grass, or any surface other than concrete?
I don't know that many runways but there are a good number of aircraft designed for dirt runways that need a lot of runway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

The common feature is a high wing reducing ingestion of dust and dirt into the engines when on the ground.
 

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And what's the purpose of these crap satellite images??



Here's my home, taken by Google Earth.



Note 24m diagonal line. Note the well head cap, aprox. 6" in diameter.

Yes, I realize the imagery shot for Google Earth is different than what is being shot for search & recovery. But do you really think this is the best satellite imagery search & recovery can produce?

Google is not using Satellite images for those pictures of your home. They are using images taken from planes flying 1000ft above your home at that resolution, blended with sat images as they pull further back out to wider areas.
 

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How many 5000' + runways do you know of that are dirt, clay, grass, or any surface other than concrete?

Many uncontrolled runways in remote locations are something other than concrete. How do I know you ask, because I've landed at several uncontrolled runways when I dabbled with learning to fly a Cessna that are just that: dirt, clay and grass.

There are also many uncontrolled runways that are simply asphalt not supported by any underlying concrete. I doubt a 777 could land on one of those runways.
 
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Yes, I realize the imagery shot for Google Earth is different than what is being shot for search & recovery. But do you really think this is the best satellite imagery search & recovery can produce?

You're right, it is a pretty crappy image from a commercial satellite. They do probably have much better images from our military and spy satellites, but they're not going to show us that. Why you ask, because the resolution and capabilities of those satellites are highly classified and I'm sure they don't want to release those images to the public which would show the public and other countries allowing them to figure out just exactly what those capabilities are.

However, I'm sure they're using those images to point the search efforts in the right direction. It kind of makes you wonder why so much effort is being focused towards the Southern Indian Ocean? To me, that's making the general Payne Stewart theory that everybody on the plane was dead and the plane just flew until it ran out of fuel and then dropped into the ocean look better and better.
 
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The common feature is a high wing reducing ingestion of dust and dirt into the engines when on the ground.

Another common feature of those aircraft is the landing gear that are very low riding that come out from the main belly of the aircraft. They're designed to handle some pretty rough runways which is something a 777 is not designed for.
 

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Many uncontrolled runways in remote l
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ocations are something other than concrete. How do I know you ask, because I've landed at several uncontrolled runways when I dabbled with learning to fly a Cessna that are just that: dirt, clay and grass.

There are also many uncontrolled runways that are simply asphalt not supported by any underlying concrete. I doubt a 777 could land on one of those runways.

I'm well aware, I live close to one. You missed my point. Of the runways you reference that are not concrete, how many of them are 5000+ long?
 

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You're right, it is a pretty crappy image from a commercial satellite. They do probably have much better images from our military and spy satellites, but they're not going to show us that. Why you ask, because the resolution and capabilities of those satellites are highly classified and I'm sure they don't want to release those images to the public which would show the public and other countries allowing them to figure out just exactly what those capabilities are.

However, I'm sure they're using those images to point the search efforts in the right direction. It kind of makes you wonder why so much effort is being focused towards the Southern Indian Ocean? To me, that's making the general Payne Stewart theory that everybody on the plane was dead and the plane just flew until it ran out of fuel and then dropped into the ocean look better and better.

I know. I've had interesting conversation with a U2 and SR71 Blackbird pilot. They shared what they could with me, and let's just say it was astounding.

My point was, we certainly have no right to see *the good stuff*, but how about something just a bit better?
 

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You guys with your 'the plane is whole, on the ground in flyable condition at an unchecked and uncontrolled airport' are missing some details. It might be able to land on 5000 feet, but it won't take off in 5000 feet, and there would need to be a large stash of fairly fresh jet fuel there. If this 777 flew the 7-8 hours they say it did, it's gonna be pretty thirsty before going anywhere else.

The examination of the area where the satellite sightings occured will resume at daylight there. That's about 3 p.m. ET.
 

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You guys with your 'the plane is whole, on the ground in flyable condition at an unchecked and uncontrolled airport' are missing some details. It might be able to land on 5000 feet, but it won't take off in 5000 feet, and there would need to be a large stash of fairly fresh jet fuel there. If this 777 flew the 7-8 hours they say it did, it's gonna be pretty thirsty before going anywhere else.

The examination of the area where the satellite sightings occured will resume at daylight there. That's about 3 p.m. ET.

Yep. If it was put down on a runway it has to be long enough for takeoff, in good enough condition to handle a landing and takeoff of a commercial widebody jet, and provide a suitable place to conceal the plane from aerial surveillance. I don't think the fuel needs to be onsite; it could refueled over time.

The abandoned runway in an uninhabited island doesn't work for me. If it were parked it has to be somewhere on the mainland. And if there were a mainland site that meets those criteria, how do you fly the plane there without having people see you getting it there?

The more I think about it, the more implausible the "stolen" aircraft theory seems to be. Or if it was stolen, perhaps it was taken by underwear gnomes.
 
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Nothing in the story that you didn't already read upthread. Who needs the BBC when you've TUGgers are at hand???

An MH370 theory that was simple, compelling and wrong

On Tuesday a "startlingly simple" theory explaining the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines jet began making the rounds on social media and among journalists interested in the story. According to a fellow named Chris Goodfellow, the plane caught fire, and the pilot headed to a nearby airport to save the craft, eventually crashing into the Indian Ocean.

Goodfellow originally posted his theory on his Google+ page on 14 March, but it picked up steam when it was reposted on the linking site Reddit. On Tuesday Wired magazine edited and ran the post under the headline A Startlingly Simple Theory about the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet.

Goodfellow, whom Wired identifies as having "20 years' experience as a Canadian Class-1 instrumented-rated pilot for multi-engine planes", begins with a dismissive wave toward the aviation experts who have been clogging the news networks.

"There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370," he writes. "Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it's almost disturbing."

He says that he "tends to look for a simpler explanation".

He then theorises that a fire, possibly electrical or from an overheated tyre on take-off, sent smoke into the cockpit shortly after the crew signs off with Malaysian air traffic controllers.

The pilot executes a sharp left turn and heads for a nearby emergency landing spot, while turning off electronics - such as the transponder - in order to isolate the problem.

A quick search of Google Earth gives Goodfellow a candidate: Pulau Langkawi.

"Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go?" he writes. "Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport."

All the pieces fit into place, he writes. The climb to 45,000ft? A last-ditch attempt to put out the fire. Where is the plane now? After the pilots were overcome by smoke, the plane continued on autopilot over Langkawi and headed west into the Indian Ocean, where it eventually ran out of fuel and crashed.

Goodfellow's theory continued to spread across media, both social and mainstream.

"I buy this new MH370 theory of an onboard fire," tweeted the New York Times's Josh Barro.

The theory "fits the facts" and "makes sense", writes Business Insider's Henry Blodget. "It requires no fantastically brilliant pre-planning or execution or motives."

The Atlantic's James Fallows agrees.

"I think there's doubt about everything concerning this flight. But his explanation makes better sense than anything else I've heard so far," he writes. "It's one of the few that make me think, Yes, I could see things happening that way."

Only it very likely didn't happen that way - as considerable information that was already in the public realm contradicts the story. By Tuesday evening, writers and commentators were picking Goodfellow's post apart.

"Goodfellow's account is emotionally compelling, and it is based on some of the most important facts that have been established so far," writes Jeff Wise in Slate. "And it is simple - to a fault."

"While it's true that MH370 did turn toward Langkawi and wound up overflying it, whoever was at the controls continued to manoeuvre after that point as well, turning sharply right at VAMPI waypoint, then left again at GIVAL," he says. "Such vigorous navigating would have been impossible for unconscious men."

And:

Goodfellow's theory fails further when one remembers the electronic ping detected by the Inmarsat satellite at 8:11 on the morning of March 8. According to analysis provided by the Malaysian and United States governments, the pings narrowed the location of MH370 at that moment to one of two arcs, one in Central Asia and the other in the southern Indian Ocean. As MH370 flew from its original course toward Langkawi, it was headed toward neither. Without human intervention - which would go against Goodfellow's theory - it simply could not have reached the position we know it attained at 8:11 a.m.

There still should have been a distress call, Greg Feith, a former National Transportation Safety Board crash investigator, told NBC News.

"Typically, with an electrical fire, you'll have smoke before you have fire," he said. "You can do some troubleshooting. And if the systems are still up and running, you can get off a mayday call" and pilots can put on an oxygen mask, Feith said.

Nine hours after its first article on the subject Business Insider ran a follow-up, with reaction from pilots.

Michael G Fortune, a retired pilot who flew 777-200ERs like the Malaysia plane, said it was unlikely the crew would have shut off the transponders to deal with the fire.

"The checklist I utilized for smoke and fumes in the B-777-200ER does not specifically address the transponder being turned off," he said.

Another 777 pilot told the website that putting on oxygen masks would have been the first priority for the crew, preventing them from being incapacitated.

As long as there is no definitive word about the fate of MH370, theories - from respected experts and amateurs relying on a hunch and a little help from Google Earth - will continue to bounce around the internet.

Some will catch on and go viral, until they are debunked or overtaken by new facts.
 

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You guys with your 'the plane is whole, on the ground in flyable condition at an unchecked and uncontrolled airport' are missing some details. It might be able to land on 5000 feet, but it won't take off in 5000 feet, and there would need to be a large stash of fairly fresh jet fuel there. If this 777 flew the 7-8 hours they say it did, it's gonna be pretty thirsty before going anywhere else.

The examination of the area where the satellite sightings occured will resume at daylight there. That's about 3 p.m. ET.

You're not the only one thinking that...
http://tugbbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1603241&postcount=46
 
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