[ 2012 ] Hi. I am a genuine timeshare scammer.

[RX8]

Confession?

If he is truly who he says he is, and I have doubts, then I think this is his CONFESSION.

He knows he is a scumbag, even admitting it. His manifest does his "business" no good, in fact it has to hurt it. The only reason he could have posted this is that he feels bad and wants to get caught. Even the brightest criminals get caught. Maybe he doesn't want family and friends to find out he is a low life criminal. I am sure his children, if he has any, would be very proud to know what their dad did for a living.

This could be the type of carelessness that eventually gets him 5 to 10.

 

[dumbydee]

I have learned some stuff from his post. If he is for real he is a scumbag and he knows it. However, any information gained that might help even one person on here not to be scammed by these scumbags is valuable information.

I also think he knows too much about the industry to not be involved in it at some level.

I am curious to know what other ways they use to obtain our information. My sister was scammed (not in any of his scenerios) for several thousands of dollars. She is not old and she is not unintelligiable. I would never have believed she fell for their crap but she did.

 

[Margariet]

What a boring thread and what a boring poster who calls himself a scammer! Clearly not a sales person or a scammer, just someone with too much time! :zzz:

The real confessions of sales persons or scammers - how bad their practices can be - are often fascinating. But they never post here because it is of no use to them. And of no use to most of us either because most of us know the way of the world.

I don't know why it is still here. I also don't like it that this poster has two names now and tries to hide his/her IP. To me it is just a forum troll who pops up from time to time, especially during school holidays.

 

[Maple_Leaf]

The "deal sheet" that comes from one of these vacation rooms will have the purchaser's name, address, credit card number, expiration date and CVC. You can do a lot with this information, but it never includes the last four digits of the SSN or the date of birth. It doesn't have the mother's maiden name either. The missing information is what's needed for more insidious scamming, but it's not too hard to make do with what's on these sheets.

Hey Scammer, am I right? The information on these "deal sheets" also comes from regular timeshare presentations. If so, I guess those prizes and cash handouts aren't really freebies. You just get paid in advance for a lifetime of scammer sales calls.:annoyed:

 

[csxjohn]

My friends and family often ask me why I have my telephone recorder on all the time and screen my calls.

This is why! I get calls that say there's nothing wrong with my credit card but they can lower my interest. I get calls from TS scammers wanting to "help" me out of my MFs. I get calls from people trying to sell me home security and all sorts of other things.

I don't answer any of them.

I guess it's the same as always refusing to go to the resort's presentations even though I could use the $100 sometimes.

 

[amycurl]

My question is--when does Brian send an e-mail to the FL Attorney General with a link to this thread and an offer to assist in any investigation? Or should I assume that has already happened?

 

[rrlongwell]

My question is--when does Brian send an e-mail to the FL Attorney General with a link to this thread and an offer to assist in any investigation? Or should I assume that has already happened?

It is a public forum, anyone can do this. I have never seen any indication that TUG does not cooperate with authorities.

 

[csalter2]

Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what this guy is doing one way or the other. If it's to help his conscious or get riled up does not matter to me. I always try to learn something from everything.

I often do wonder how these folks get my name. They do call back from time to time as well. I guess to see if I am fed up enough to want to let them sell my timeshare. For example, Timeshare Cure calls me back with a different person every 5 or 6 months. There are a few others. I think that when these folks say they can rent your timeshare is the bigger scam. They are always trying to prey on your greed. Those of us who really enjoy our timeshare aren't as likely to cough up cash for their scams.

I must tell you that I actually enjoy spending time on the phone with them just to hear what they have to say. Some of them are really sincere and sound as if they are trying to really help you. It is so ironic to me.

I have had my timeshare since the late 90's. I have never fallen for one of these. I came close the very first time so that they could rent it, but decided against it. They did not want to send me any paperwork to have me read over and I don't give credit cards to strangers. When I learned about TUG and started to see information here and or Redweek about scammers, I felt very relieved that I avoided giving away my hard earned dollars.

I don't care if he wants to give away information. Let him answer as many questions as he wants. He will not affect me nor most of us as we already know the situation.

 

[RachelR]

Nobody's perfect.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

:rofl: Love this!!

. . . ask'm to please hold briefly, then play a couple of Angry Birds levels before picking up again.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

:hysterical: Oh my, too funny!!

I think I'll ask the next one that calls here if he's the one that posted about scamming on TUG. If everyone does the same, and this dude is as busy as he says, we oughtta have him pegged this week.

He wouldn't lie about a thing like this, would he? Naaaah.

Jim

This is brilliant!!

My question is--when does Brian send an e-mail to the FL Attorney General with a link to this thread and an offer to assist in any investigation? Or should I assume that has already happened?

I really have no idea if this person is legitimate, or if he is really just a scammer period. As for 'turning himself in', will never happen. As for the line about taking care of his grandmother two nights a week, um, not something I would believe from a 31 year old who scams people every day, according to what he says.

Last point. If you had a 'business', that was scamming people, was 'successful', that was not being looked in to by law enforcement, why toot your own horn and put yourself in the forefront? For everyone that thinks they can disguise their IP address, there is a government employee, who is breaking the codes, slowly but surely. How do you think online pedophiles are getting caught? Nah, too far fetched imho. Just a troll. One that if he isn't careful will get caught.

 

[ampaholic]

-snipo-
I don't care if he wants to give away information. Let him answer as many questions as he wants. He will not affect me nor most of us as we already know the situation.

Don't you get it - S/He is not giving away information.

S/He knows about as much or less about "scamming" as Robert Ludlum knows about the CIA.

Maybe s/he is only researching a novel :hysterical: :rofl: :hysterical:

 

[Maple_Leaf]

Price for a "Deal Sheet?"

Hey Scammer, when you buy these "deal sheets" how much does it cost per name?

 

[Margariet]

Don't bother. Some people like to scam, other like to troll. No idea why, but that is stuff for psychologists.

 

[Beefnot]

Taunting is not necessarily trolling. Like those serial killers who send messages to the media or police. They are just arrogant sociopaths who do so for the own ego-stroking gratification that they are smarter than most everyone else and get excitement out of toying with danger.

 

[SusanRN]

dementia statistics

The last I heard, 50% of people 85 and older in the U.S. have dementia (which includes Alzheimer's), so if you're lucky enough to have a long life, the odds aren't good.
Susan, certified psychiatric nurse

 

[tjkahn]

I like the fact that he says he "only does timeshare scams now when I'm broke..."

If it's so easy and you make so much money, why would you ever be broke? Where's all of his hard-earned money going?

 

[johnh10]

I feel left out. I've owned timeshares for over 10 years and never experienced one of these calls.

 

[SusanRN]

timeshare trolling in Branson

BTW, when I was in Branson in May I signed up for a timeshare visit to Westgate because I really wanted to see it and didn't mind the $125 I would get. The ticket rep who made the arrangements invited me to dinner. I went, out of curiousity, and since I could fit it in before my evening show. I thought it would be interesting to examine his Axis II personality disorder characteristics. [And that's *all* folks, so no salacious comments, please; just think of it as "taking one for the TUG team"]

He told me -- consider the source, but I think he was generally truthful -- that the producer (his employer's office) would get $500 from Westgate for that lead (and $400 from "lesser" timeshares where soft credit qualification isn't necessary) and that he would split the remaining balance with his employer after the customer received his or her benefit, which could be cash or tickets, which the producer can get for a discount.

In Branson the timeshares have a system whereby someone who turns down a purchase will then be referred to a travel club, thereby earning a cut of the pie from the travel club for the referring agent. And the travel clubs refer to timeshares. Referring the prospect is called "hashing" [from "rehash" maybe?]

Anyway, I was shocked that producers can get several hundred dollars from signing someone up for timeshare presentations. No wonder full freight timeshares cost so much money! And no wonder Orlando, Branson, and other timeshare meccas are crawling with timeshare sign-up people.
Susan

 

[gnorth16]

Look closer at the jpg.

his email account is on the picture!

timeshare.pro@live.com.

And I didn't have to use my junior detective sleuth kit!

 

[bnoble]

I was shocked that producers can get several hundred dollars from signing someone up for timeshare presentations.

I'm not that surprised. Remember the rule of thumb: marketing is typically between 1/4 and 1/2 the total cost of development.

This is also why the Parking Pass Tango at resorts with that model are so painful. The body snatcher doesn't care if you will or won't eventually buy---so "I only buy resale" doesn't matter to them. They get paid based entirely on qualified tour flow.

 

[DeniseM]

his email account is on the picture!

timeshare.pro@live.com.

And I didn't have to use my junior detective sleuth kit!

How'd you come up with that?

 

[gnorth16]

The administrator banned me. That is somewhat amusing on a forum that has automated registration. I'm not here to indefinitely mingle in the community and I'm only going to post on this thread. http://i.imgur.com/N6nAD.jpg

Look at the next window of the picture...

 

[DazedandConfused]

Hi. I've been doing various telemarketing scams for years. This includes upfront fee scams for timeshare owners. These forums have been eye opening for me in ways that I doubt any of you would be able to relate to.

I, for one, am willing to give you the benefit of doubt (i.e. I actually believe you are who you represent) and have one simple question.

Why don't you use your brains and talent and do something productive and "legal" rather than be a professional scammer?

I can guess that your response will be something along the lines like - this is easy cash, I make so much money, it is fun, it is like taking candy from a baby. However, there are many other jobs and professions that you would probably be very good at.

Just take a car salesman, you could work at Lexus or Mercedes in sales or the repair department and make $100,000+ with great skills. You could become a real estate agent and work at gated communities or high rise condos to make sales. You would probably be very good with stocks, bonds, annuities, or even insurance sales.

On the other hand, if you want to have a career in crime, why choose something as lame as timeshare scams. Why don't you engage in credit card fraud, identity theft, computer crime as those fields are probably way more glamorous than timeshares.

Either way, I found this thread to be very interesting and enlightening and hope you continue to share your thoughts.

 

[saady]

Many scammers have narcissistic disorders and like to hear themselves talk/write

But I wanted to tell you about my Craigslist rental posting for my vacation week (before joining TUG). An "interested person" emailed to reserve the week and I said fine. So I received a UPS package appearing to be delivered from a Bank in Philadelphia with their UPS account. Then the person/scammer wrote that the check was mistakenly made for too much and to wire the extra $ to Chicago and keep $50 for my trouble. Of course this was so obvious, I said to never contact me again.

I called the Bank in Philadelphia and asked if the account number was theirs. They had to investigate and would call me back. It was their number and they said they were "investigating" that someone was using their account. I told the bank manager that if they really didn't care "I" would use their account for my normal UPS transactions. She just laughed. The package was mailed from Charlotte.

Then I call the FBI in my city and they were less interested than the bank. I said I had not touched the legitimate looking cashiers check drawn on a NY Bank in the name of a NY University, if they wanted to look for fingerprints. I suppose they receive many such calls and said to just shred the check.

So the experience was disappointing from so many points of view. The scammer was intelligent and did some work on this. If the effort was redirected to something worthwhile (honest) I think they would be very successful. And law enforcement I suppose was (hopefully) busy working on more important things.

Finally, I received one last message from the scammer which I ignored. Since I was trying to dupe him by holding his extra money, that he would report it to the FBI! I guess he knows they are too busy for such things!

 

[Margariet]

Not all scammers like to talk. Many scammers are very reserved, very much on their own, and very calculated. They hardly get drunk because then they know they might talk. They are very good listeners, however, and very good judges of character. That's why then can scam people.

 

[Beefnot]

Look at the next window of the picture...

Nice. Took me awhile, but finally found it. Is it possible for authorities to discover who created this account? Wishful thinking, but would be great to see ride or one of his hometown cronies taken down.