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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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I said it before that Northwynd's highhanded approach of threaterning the owners means something. For this is no normal business behaviore. When you are considering your option, ask youself this question, why an alledgely trust company that was supposed to look after the owners' (trustees') interest chose to threatern the owners?
I am also booked to go to Fairmont, (June 10 and December 28). The December 28th date is my use week for 2013 and the June date is using extra points and required an exchange fee. I am not sure how they can enforce their demand for payment in this case when I booked the vacation through RCI and paid an exchange fee. I think that I will contact RCI and clarify.
 

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A further message from Jim Belfry.

I am an owner at Sunchaser trying to help other owners to find proper legal advice on how to challenge Northwynd in their latest attempt to coerce owners to pay more money.
I have been completely swamped with over 275 new contacts in the past week and am no longer able to add new contacts to our group.
I have met with another law firm in hopes that they will offer their assistance to the 14,500 owners that are affected and hope to have more details to post shortly.
I urge you not to agree to pay money to have your contract terminated. You are giving up any right of recourse.
 

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I'm in the same situation as undecided 62, I booked at exactly 12 months out (and paid) for an August week. I was going to rent it out but am worried no one will want to take a chance. My thoughts were to start paying the fees to stay and then if they can't give me answers after August as to what % of people went each direction then it will be time to pull. My week is an annual golden so it has value to me even with the ridiculous maintenance fees. What a world where the company does not have to produce financial statements for years and we have to pay as soon as they ask.

Joan
 

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We've been scammed before with Canmore...we never got legal advise but there were a lot of back and forth emails and letters between owners and timeshare. RCI said it wasn't there problem. And guess what.... we lost our timeshares the ones that didn't pay extra, and the ones that did. Now reliving it all over again.... This time legal action is the only way to go....Your going to read about Fairmont in a while of how people were scammed to pay, and lost their timeshares no matter what they choose to do.....very sad.......
 
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this was Northwynds plan. Demand huge Reno fees by may31 and threaten the timeshare owners if they do not pay buy may 31 and keep them from using the resort at high season.It does not matter if you paid maintenance for the last 20 years.They are upsettig alot of timeshare owners a they will probably just walk away from this resort
 

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The argument against them is that they are in breach of contract for not posting audited financials by March 31 every year and not disclosing an apparent $19 million dollar maintenance shortfall when they took over the resort from FRPL in 2010. WIth this knowledge they proceeded to sell the Legacy for Life program which not olny raised millions of dollars for them, but allowed them to tweak the contract language in their favour. This coupled with the strong arm bully tactics to try to raise as much as they can before the court date should make anyone think twice before paying them a cent.
 

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Court actions can take months, even years to conclude. The May 31 deadline looms; we might have to make up our minds long before we see a conclusion to this. So I'd lilke some clarification if possible from those who understand the legal proceedings and these posted petitions better than I:
- Is the judge considering his ruling now, and the June 20 court date will hear the judge's decision brought down yea or nay for the preceeding petitions?
- Or is this June court date just another 'cog in the wheel' to further discuss the ongoing arguments before the court? If that is the case, then a judges' decision - permission granted or not - could still be many months away, and by waiting past the May 31 deadline, even holding off within 90 days as some have said we could - our opportunity to get out may disappear. Thanks for clarifying the June 20 decision point.
Does anyone have an answer to this? Will we get a definitive answer on June 20 from the judge or just a further delay into next Fall or Winter? Anyone even have an educated guess perhaps based on their own professional knowledge of the legal system?
 

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Does anyone have an answer to this? Will we get a definitive answer on June 20 from the judge or just a further delay into next Fall or Winter? Anyone even have an educated guess perhaps based on their own professional knowledge of the legal system?

This is my concern as well...If I don't decide by May 31st, the option to pay the exit fee may not be there anymore and I'm stuck paying the reno fee and the increasing maintenance fees on a timeshare that I can't even sell. This court case could drag on forever, and in the meantime owners aren't even able to use their weeks.

I can't believe that Northwynd is giving people such a short time frame to make such large decisions and payments!
 

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This is my concern as well...If I don't decide by May 31st, the option to pay the exit fee may not be there anymore and I'm stuck paying the reno fee and the increasing maintenance fees on a timeshare that I can't even sell. This court case could drag on forever, and in the meantime owners aren't even able to use their weeks.

I can't believe that Northwynd is giving people such a short time frame to make such large decisions and payments!


If you read the following document, the justice may give you the ruling on that day or give a written ruling at a later day.
http://www.supremecourtbc.ca/sites/default/files/web/Starting-a-Proceeding-by-Petition.pdf

It is not for certain that Northywynd will prevail in their petition. It is only a petition that the court hasn't ruled on yet and many of us believe Northwynd has no ground to impose the reno assessment on us.

Even if Northwynd should prevail and that's by no means a certainty when the judge sees the hundreds or thousands of owners submission, the owners still have avenues to overturn it.

Many of us believe we should not pay Northwynd one cent until we know how the judge rule on the Northwynd's petition on June 20, 2013. Should Northwynd lose, you would have wasted a few grands and give up your TS if you chose the buyout option.

If Northwynd wins, we can still appeal as this is only a petition. The reason Northwynd gives owners a tight May 30 deadline before they even know about the ruling on June 20 should tell you something sinister is in the work.

If Northwynd is a legitimate business, they would wait for the ruling on the petition before they even invoice the owners. But they invoice the owners and force the owners to pay before the ruling on June 20 tells me that they have no confidence on their petition. And if they have no confidence on their petition, why do they think they have the right to take the reno or buyout monies from the owners? Because Northwynd is not legit.
 

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To Cancel or Not

I have sent our lawyer more info from discussions and he keeps telling us to pay the cancellation fee to get out of this mess and be done with it.
 

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If you read the following document, the justice may give you the ruling on that day or give a written ruling at a later day.
http://www.supremecourtbc.ca/sites/default/files/web/Starting-a-Proceeding-by-Petition.pdf

It is not for certain that Northywynd will prevail in their petition. It is only a petition that the court hasn't ruled on yet and many of us believe Northwynd has no ground to impose the reno assessment on us.

Even if Northwynd should prevail and that's by no means a certainty when the judge sees the hundreds or thousands of owners submission, the owners still have avenues to overturn it.

Many of us believe we should not pay Northwynd one cent until we know how the judge rule on the Northwynd's petition on June 20, 2013. Should Northwynd lose, you would have wasted a few grands and give up your TS if you chose the buyout option.

If Northwynd wins, we can still appeal as this is only a petition. The reason Northwynd gives owners a tight May 30 deadline before they even know about the ruling on June 20 should tell you something sinister is in the work.

If Northwynd is a legitimate business, they would wait for the ruling on the petition before they even invoice the owners. But they invoice the owners and force the owners to pay before the ruling on June 20 tells me that they have no confidence on their petition. And if they have no confidence on their petition, why do they think they have the right to take the reno or buyout monies from the owners? Because Northwynd is not legit.
Calgary Better Business Bureau gives them a D minus rating and they said it will not be long it will be a F rating. Give them a call and check it out if you like.
 

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I personally don't worry about the buyout option not being there after May 31. If you want to give a company like Northwynd a few grands to get out, they will gladly take it after May 31. It's just sleazy used car salesman tactic the May 31 deadline is.
 

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We have lost almost a thousand dollars already by paying our maintenance fee last summer for the 2013 rental booked for this July, and now we can't use it...also another bill after Christmas of an increase so seriously do you think we're stupid enough to give them another cent???? I can see a lot of counter lawsuits in the wings.

FYI>>>> They read this form just so everyone knows..It was mentioned in my letter from them....watching like money hungry rats!
 

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I have sent our lawyer more info from discussions and he keeps telling us to pay the cancellation fee to get out of this mess and be done with it.

My lawyer in Saskatchewan says the same. He is not familiar with the law in BC but if this was in Saskatchewan he maintains they have the right to do what they are attempting. I also contacted Northwynd as I have a week booked in late June that I have paid Maintenance on. Northwynd says that if I comply with one of the options offered including the option to buy my way out I am entitled to come and enjoy my booked week. (Actually the lady I spoke to at Northwynd was very cordial and patient with me). I think the court case in June is to give them legal grounds to downsize the resort based on the leases they will have moving forward but it may include other options they are seeking. I will be making a decision over the next week on what I will do. Good luck to everyone on their decisions.
 

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Guymar and CindyD, not to say your lawyers' advice was incorrect. But there're lawyers in BC advising otherwise. I think the least we can say is that Northwynd is not 100% in the right or they wouldn't pull a stun like this.

Personally, I would rather spend the buyout money fighting Northwynd than to pay them. Paying them now is exactly what they wanted you to do to maximize the size of their wallets. We all have to decide what to do in the end.
 

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Something that's bothering me about this whole thing is that I paid my 2013 maintenance fee back in September 2012 when I reserved my week. There was no mention back then that I would have to pay the assessment or risk losing the right to my week.

Is Northwynd within their legal rights to not allow use of a 2013 week unless the assessment is paid, when they did not advise of the additional charges when the week was reserved?
 

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As far as I'm concerned our lease is already broken, as they didn't maintain the resort, which is the purpose of our maintenance fees. Someone I spoke to that sells timeshare (so don't know how reliable of a source he is) said that if you only have a right to use and not a deed for property then they really have no recourse if you stop paying. His recommendation was simply to give it back and we are going to send a letter relinquishing our leases and any financial responsibility. I also think, how are they ever going to follow through with getting our money...are they going to take 15000 owners to small claims court and even if they get a judgement, is it really going to impact anyone's credit rating. Just my thoughts.
 

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I also think, how are they ever going to follow through with getting our money...are they going to take 15000 owners to small claims court and even if they get a judgement, is it really going to impact anyone's credit rating. Just my thoughts.

My sentiments exactly. It is not financially feasible to enforce the judgement on any non Canadian owners (eg US owners). Even for Canadian owners, the cost to enforce judgement on indignant defender is easily in the thousands. And if the owners are elderly pensioners or unemployed individuals, there'll be no wages to garnish or assets to seize. I think Northwynd knew about this deep down inside and that's why they tried to strong arm owners to pay before May 31. That's why they gave us the payout option but instead all they could do is just to take the lease back.
 

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Another thing from reading through what they have sent me, is that all of us with biannual weeks are going to get another bill next year for this renovation project. And who knows what might come after that. Northwynd does not seem to have a good reputation.
 

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How much will the lawyers' fees be in the end, though? To sign up is $1000.00 'all in'. Is that just the beginning, for this upcoming June 20 hearing? Will he ask for more money to go forward from there? Just asking....
 

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How much will the lawyers' fees be in the end, though? To sign up is $1000.00 'all in'. Is that just the beginning, for this upcoming June 20 hearing? Will he ask for more money to go forward from there? Just asking....

$1000 "all in" should get you through June 20 and then some. Lawyers bill by the hour and going to the one lawyer that handles the same few hundred TS suits makes sense as he doesn't need to go through the same facts again.
 

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My lawyer in Saskatchewan says the same. He is not familiar with the law in BC but if this was in Saskatchewan he maintains they have the right to do what they are attempting. I also contacted Northwynd as I have a week booked in late June that I have paid Maintenance on. Northwynd says that if I comply with one of the options offered including the option to buy my way out I am entitled to come and enjoy my booked week. (Actually the lady I spoke to at Northwynd was very cordial and patient with me). I think the court case in June is to give them legal grounds to downsize the resort based on the leases they will have moving forward but it may include other options they are seeking. I will be making a decision over the next week on what I will do. Good luck to everyone on their decisions.
Look at your court petition you will find they are are talking about restructuring and refurbishing. Refurbishing means renovations.
 

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Seriously! We received all this information less than two weeks ago. We had not been notified before or had any idea there were issues other than an increase in maintance fees after the new year...AGAIN!. Maybe due to the fact we didnt fall for the legacy give us more money crap.
Who does this, with no notice, less than a month? I work full time and my husband is not well. Who has this kind of money to just hand over? I have no time for this, and the stress is not doing well for me. The more I'm pushed the madder I'm getting. I'm interested to see e what takes place in court! Isn't that our right??????? If this is the outcome>>>> to other timeshare owners everywhere be scared be very scared!
 
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My lawyer contacted me again and said that I should pay attention to the legal opinion from Norton Rose LLP in the Legal-contract information section, under the renovation program section at sunchasers website. Here is the link

http://sunchaservillas.ca/wp-conten...nfirmingOccupancyCostsandReplacementCosts.pdf

Cindy what agreement do you have? My agreement was signed on nov/2002 and item number 9 does not state that we have to replace the resort. Norton rose states on summary of conclusions item no. 2 proportionate share of all costs of administration,maintenance,repair and replacement of the resort. This is their lawyers interruption.
 
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