[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[dotbuhler]

Please correct me with a willow stick if you feel I’m wrong but even my very superficial understanding of law would lead me to believe that the judgement I just muddled thru by Justice Branch implies we the defendants (every time the word defendant was used I substituted MG’s name) abused the court by pushing this issue forward in the courts without any legal merit behind it thereby wasting the precious resources of the courts and all involved. If I’m reading this correctly then does this judgement with its explainations basically state MG is in fact incompetent and without a doubt due to his actions led this group to the edge of a legal cliff. It seemed that Branch was pissed off at Gelderts group and as a result was more than happy to side with NM. And it would appear that Barry King rides the same horse Geldert does as he basically had no argument for interest costs other than it was too much. My dog could have argued that! Lord help us all!

NAILED IT!!

 

[Late2Game]

From FB
If we all reread Sandy N Lee Merriman's posts, you would notice that they are trying to help us all. They already have a class action suit filed and ready for court. Why don't we join them? This is the best scenario we could have ever dreamed for. Option 1 will need to decide to relinquish the settlement and everyone else without a lawyer could join forces in a real class action suit with them.

To all those who say "1st time aware of this", from the beginning there were 4 distinct groups that went before Judge Loo way back in 2013. 2 of them did a lot of talking, while 2 did not. Without reliving the history or pointing fingers, a CLASS action is for the benefit of ALL the members of a group or class. Where this fell off the rails from the outset was that this group with MG who hailed itself a "class action" was in truth a special interest group created for only those that had held their leasehold interest for a period of time and wanted "out". Mistake #1 as now the group was fractionalized and motivated to get behind and spend money on a lawyer that was destined to lose when NOT serving the entire class of 15,000 leaseholds (all of us). This special group went on to be fractionalized more than once after that - always creating more division and weakness while mysterious 50 to 80 vested interested parties of Northwind REIT (a TRUST not a corporation so it could hide its identity) got stronger. It even hired professionals like Kirk Wankel and Doug Frey and Jud Virtue to kick our asses. Ranting at Mr Wankel for doing the job he was paid to do is pointless ... I myself would not take on scumbag clients like Northwind, but if I lacked a moral code and ethics, I would surely do my job just as well as he did and is doing. YES, we did a lot of research and spent a lot of time ($10,000 out of pocket and in excess of 200 hours that I would bill my clients for had I been working for them instead of this). On June 25, 2013, you can find S-134766 still listed as an active court filing (Lee Merriman V Northmont et al). Admittedly this filing was not well written by Kellie Hamilton (limited time) on behalf of myself, my wife, and perhaps the smartest man I know, Adam Hedayat. BUT at least it laid out the issues we ALL faced and formed the requisite information to BE A CLASS ACTION as we cared about ALL of you, not just some of you. Since Riverview is already a registered Strata property and our lease was exclusive to Riverview, the best course of action then and now was to ALL band against Northwind REIT, take our resort back, set up a Board, and manage it ourselves - allowing folks to buy in and out of it like a Strata / Condo property should. What I think is simply this ... when you folks can quit fighting amongst yourselves and going in multiple directions, we would be willing to help out with an already put together Corporate structure that will blow your socks off. This "deception" by lawyers started way back in 1994 with a Firm called McLeod Dixon that is now TWO Firms .. Norton Rose and Shinnour Matkin ... yes thats right .. our "trustee" and the Northmont lawyers have slept in bed together way back in 1994. Another little tidbit of information for you folks ... PRE Bankruptcy .. Our good old Trustee Philip Matkin had his wife and 2 other wives of his Firm owning 75% of Farimont thru a Company called 1287069 Alberta Ltd. Right again folks, our own Trustee had his wife PUT Fairmont into bankruptcy by calling a loan that was backed by our very own "capital investments" (ours was $35,000 paid in full) that were never recorded as income in Fairmont as they were funneled out to the FRPL Companies owned by 1287069 Alberta Ltd. Accordingly, you ALL have heard this before as I have posted more than once ... you just just chose to ignore it while riding the JEKE/MG train into oblivion. I was even aware that JEKE was a shell company that held only 1 thing, the Belfrey family leasehold interst and accordingly bore no financial risk that you all did. Even directors liability wouldn't apply as the debt would not be a CRA witholding debt. As Sandy has mentioned, we are out of the Country Feb 4 to 18 (we are every year). Upon our return, IF this group can UNITE, we will be glad to help as best we can however, I am aware that by letting JEKE waste our time and your money, this is an even more uphill battle than it would have been had we all united 4 years ago.

Remember you can't file a claim if you don't have evidence to backup your statements.

Petus@18, as I replied to your earlier - almost identical post - where is all this coming from? Some parallel universe - (FB) I guess - to which I am not a participant.

Can you please give me and others a bit more context? I'd love the idea of unearthing the fraud this may well be and getting some TRUE JUSTICE for all TS members. But in this public forum it's become very difficult to separate fact from fiction!

We've all been strung along for 4-5 years on the promise of a "reasonable" / "fair" settlement and this CLASS ACTION smells a lot like Deja Vu all over again!

Unless something TANGIBLE and REAL -- with legal representation -- presents itself very quickly, I plan on settling Feb-15. WHY? Because I have absolutely NO appetite for throwing away another 42% (162%-120%) and prolonging this ordeal.

 

[Petus@18]

Petus@18, as I replied to your earlier - almost identical post - where is all this coming from? Some parallel universe - (FB) I guess - to which I am not a participant.

Can you please give me and others a bit more context? I'd love the idea of unearthing the fraud this may well be and getting some TRUE JUSTICE for all TS members. But in this public forum it's become very difficult to separate fact from fiction!

We've all been strung along for 4-5 years on the promise of a "reasonable" / "fair" settlement and this CLASS ACTION smells a lot like Deja Vu all over again!

Unless something TANGIBLE and REAL -- with legal representation -- presents itself very quickly, I plan on settling Feb-15. WHY? Because I have absolutely NO appetite for throwing away another 42% (162%-120%) and prolonging this ordeal.

Late2Game, first of all, I don't appreciate your tone. You can take the information I posted as you wish. It is of course your choice if you want to throw away more money by signing an agreement prepared by a lawyer that specializes in "entertaining law", is incompetent and failed to adhere to the code of ethics. The Class Action lawsuit filed by the Merriman's is public record and is registered at the Vancouver Registry, so you can certainly obtain a copy and get the details of the information I posted. As you know, you couldn't file a class action if you didn't have tangible evidence. The document is active and can be progressed at any time.

 

[Petus@18]

I think for option 1 people, it is settled. We no longer have a case against NM, we can only go after MG for mis-representing us, correct? We can only go after NM if criminal charges are filed or fraud has been proven, which will likely be after Feb 15th at this point. The more I think about how this ended, the more I think there is more going on here. Are option 1 people looking for another lawyer for this purpose, or just waiting for MG to get reviewed by BC Law Society at this point?



After many sleepless nights, I may have finally answered some of my own questions. I know this is complicated, and for some, I think the answers to these questions are obvious and I must seem stupid. However, until recently, I did not even know what a REIT was. Let me see if I understand this now and maybe provide clarity this for others like me. Please correct me on those points I am wrong.

1. NM (the real owner) is a separate entity from the resort management.
2. Those that paid the renovation fee back in 2013, that money goes toward the resort management and any renovations.
3. For all that settled, or paid to leave, that money goes to NM, free and clear. All the money that is about to be paid in this last "excellent settlement", will go to NM free and clear with no obligations. The settlement is based on "resort management costs", but is nothing more than a "number" to be paid to NM.
4. The financial statements we see are only for the resort management, and have nothing to do with NM. We have no access to NM financial statements.
5. From previous posts, it sound like an audit of NM was done back in about 2012, but non of us know what the result was and there have been no audits of NM since?
6. KW owns NM (and everthing else to do with the resort) and therefore will have all of this money free and clear. He is free to sell the buildings once everyone has paid to leave.

If the above is correct, this is just so, so wrong. We all know this is not what we agreed to purchase and was represented to us. Everything has been turned upside down when it was somehow determined by the courts that the leases were the "owners".

Believe it or not, Northmont Resort Properties Ltd is 100% owned by Northwynd Limited Partnership. Northwynd owns or hold shares in a number of other companies including, Sunchaser Vacation Villas. Resort Villa Management Ltd. is a single entity and should be treated as such when signing a release agreement. KW does not own Northmont, he was just hired to get rid of us, realign the resort and to get as much money as he can. He has done his job with the help of our "lawyer". Philip Matkin, the Trustee, is involved with all of these companies including, FRPL Finance and FRPL Management owned by Collin Knight (25%).

I call this an orchestrated $million dollar Ponzi scheme, wouldn't you?

 

[ecwinch]

3. For all that settled, or paid to leave, that money goes to NM, free and clear. All the money that is about to be paid in this last "excellent settlement", will go to NM free and clear with no obligations. The settlement is based on "resort management costs", but is nothing more than a "number" to be paid to NM.

Does anyone here have information that this is statement is NOT correct?

At a minimum it would seem that the past due maintenance fees (plus interest on said amount) have to go the resort.

 

[So sick of this mess]

Thanks for chiming in however you definitely have a lot of the FACTS incorrect which hey even some who are directly impacted by this don't fully understand because there are so many moving parts and unclear information to distract us from those FACTS.

But for starters the SIF is not the same as the "settlement", it was the form that led up to people either being included in the settlement or proceeding on their own (either by choice or default).
Both courts have made their decision - Judge Branch has now ruled on cost and interest and we are awaiting Judge Young to rule on interest and cost as well which then will give NM the ability to proceed to Judgments on the Statement of Claims (some have already been amended and some not).
To my knowledge neither Judges have any say in the Settlement Agreement because this is not a Class Action and does not require the courts approval for the parties to enter into what is called "Consent" or "Settlement" Judgment, just both lawyers have to sign off on it for their respective clients.
Regarding having a new lawyer, again to my knowledge, both sides have presented their arguments regarding cost and interest and the BC has been ruled on and we are awaiting the AB one. The Geldert Group has been "shackled" together since the JEKE trial and because of our "legal" team's strategy/actions we may be pretty much stuck with that. Again this is just to my knowledge and I am awaiting clarification with regards to whether the Option 2 people can move forward separately.

So, you are saying the option 1 people are just stuck with it and can't join the class action? Also, do you know how to find out who was part of the 370 listed on the BC claim? I thought all of us that are part of the delinquent group are named in this.

 

[teedeej]

For a couple years now I've been wanting to put a face to the monster Kirk Wankel, but had never seen this globalnews.ca report before. https://globalnews.ca/news/596669/thousands-of-timeshare-owners-face-unexpected-repair-bill/

I desperately want Kirk Wankel to become a pariah in his community, for everyone who sees him in public to know what a monster he is and how he's destroying so many lives because of his greed. Please use this screenshot whenever you post publicly so he cannot remain comfortably anonymous, thank you.

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It’s too bad that the Royal Canadian Air Farce wasn’t still on CBC. That’s a face that deserves to get plastered by the Air Farce’s chicken cannon

 

[truthr]

Thanks for chiming in however you definitely have a lot of the FACTS incorrect which hey even some who are directly impacted by this don't fully understand because there are so many moving parts and unclear information to distract us from those FACTS.

But for starters the SIF is not the same as the "settlement", it was the form that led up to people either being included in the settlement or proceeding on their own (either by choice or default).
Both courts have made their decision - Judge Branch has now ruled on cost and interest and we are awaiting Judge Young to rule on interest and cost as well which then will give NM the ability to proceed to Judgments on the Statement of Claims (some have already been amended and some not).
To my knowledge neither Judges have any say in the Settlement Agreement because this is not a Class Action and does not require the courts approval for the parties to enter into what is called "Consent" or "Settlement" Judgment, just both lawyers have to sign off on it for their respective clients.
Regarding having a new lawyer, again to my knowledge, both sides have presented their arguments regarding cost and interest and the BC has been ruled on and we are awaiting the AB one. The Geldert Group has been "shackled" together since the JEKE trial and because of our "legal" team's strategy/actions we may be pretty much stuck with that. Again this is just to my knowledge and I am awaiting clarification with regards to whether the Option 2 people can move forward separately.

So, you are saying the option 1 people are just stuck with it and can't join the class action? Also, do you know how to find out who was part of the 370 listed on the BC claim? I thought all of us that are part of the delinquent group are named in this.

First, from what I have read on various posts here and on FB it would appear that the Option 1 Settlement Agreement has a clause about not being able to sue NM so only a lawyer would be able to tell those people whether they can be part of any Class Action against NM or its subsidiaries and/or representatives.

As for the list for either the BC or AB claim there was a schedule attached to both those claims of the names of the additional defendants for both those provinces and if memory serves me it was to be updated to include all Geldert clients (from the date of the JEKE trial and onwards) whether their Statement of Claims were expired or not and whether they were still Geldert clients or not after the JEKE trial.

 

[Late2Game]

Late2Game, first of all, I don't appreciate your tone. You can take the information I posted as you wish. It is of course your choice if you want to throw away more money by signing an agreement prepared by a lawyer that specializes in "entertaining law", is incompetent and failed to adhere to the code of ethics. The Class Action lawsuit filed by the Merriman's is public record and is registered at the Vancouver Registry, so you can certainly obtain a copy and get the details of the information I posted. As you know, you couldn't file a class action if you didn't have tangible evidence. The document is active and can be progressed at any time.

Petus@18, sorry you don't like my tone. But this whole discussion should not be about tone, but rather substance.

You post this item -- not once, but twice -- and it certainly sounds full of steamy details. But this is the FIRST I'm hearing of it.

If it's on public record, that's fantastic . . . . please share the document, not only with me, but for EVERYONE on this forum?

Sharing this document would be in the best interests of everyone on this thread, if your intent is to bring TS members together in a constructive manner. ("when you folks can quit fighting amongst yourselves and going in multiple directions, we would be willing to help . . .")

We ALL need to see this, to evaluate for ourselves whether this has possibilities for our specific situation.

 

[So sick of this mess]

I am option 1 also, and the more I read and learn, something is not right with this whole thing. I did not reply to Geldert by the Dec 28 deadline but don't feel like paying by Feb 15. I am thinking I have to inform Geldert to remove me from his list. I think I/we need to let him know the following:
1. We wanted to see the actual dollar amounts and details of the settlement before deciding.
2. Are not in agreement with the settlement
3. Are not happy how with him with this offer and the lack of communication he promised he would give us.
4. Request that he does not provide Northmont with our Lease ID, names or contact information.
5. Question why we would have to pay BOTH the Renovation Project fee with compounded interest Plus the exit fee when originally it was one or the other.
6. On a personal note I asked MG if I could save the $10,000 exit fee if I decided to pay the Statement amounts Northwynd is claiming. His answer was that Northwynd said this was not an option that Northwynd would give. How can they then justify to charge for 2018 Mainatenance fees if we do not pay by Feb 15? Either we are still an owner or not an owner.

Thoughts for those of us in Option 1 but don't want to pay the ransom by Feb 15?

I am having the same struggles. I did call Northmont directly and ask them if I could pay my invoice, they said no, since I am a client of MG, I have to contact him. He had already said no, Northmont won't accept it. So, Northmont already has the list of the Geldert group.

 

[So sick of this mess]

First, from what I have read on various posts here and on FB it would appear that the Option 1 Settlement Agreement has a clause about not being able to sue NM so only a lawyer would be able to tell those people whether they can be part of any Class Action against NM or its subsidiaries and/or representatives.

As for the list for either the BC or AB claim there was a schedule attached to both those claims of the names of the additional defendants for both those provinces and if memory serves me it was to be updated to include all Geldert clients (from the date of the JEKE trial and onwards) whether their Statement of Claims were expired or not and whether they were still Geldert clients or not after the JEKE trial.

Where do I find this claim and the attachments? Is it on your blog?

 

[Petus@18]

Petus@18, sorry you don't like my tone. But this whole discussion should not be about tone, but rather substance.

You post this item -- not once, but twice -- and it certainly sounds full of steamy details. But this is the FIRST I'm hearing of it.

If it's on public record, that's fantastic . . . . please share the document, not only with me, but for EVERYONE on this forum?

Sharing this document would be in the best interests of everyone on this thread, if your intent is to bring TS members together in a constructive manner. ("when you folks can quit fighting amongst yourselves and going in multiple directions, we would be willing to help . . .")

We ALL need to see this, to evaluate for ourselves whether this has possibilities for our specific situation.

I don't have it, but we are trying to get one. Maybe it would help if you could also try to obtain it and share it with everyone as you suggested. I think Truth mentioned, in one of her posts earlier, that she had a copy? Why don't you check with her?

 

[Petus@18]

Petus@18, sorry you don't like my tone. But this whole discussion should not be about tone, but rather substance.

You post this item -- not once, but twice -- and it certainly sounds full of steamy details. But this is the FIRST I'm hearing of it.

If it's on public record, that's fantastic . . . . please share the document, not only with me, but for EVERYONE on this forum?

Sharing this document would be in the best interests of everyone on this thread, if your intent is to bring TS members together in a constructive manner. ("when you folks can quit fighting amongst yourselves and going in multiple directions, we would be willing to help . . .")

We ALL need to see this, to evaluate for ourselves whether this has possibilities for our specific situation.

The following link is interesting information about a Class Action. As for the Merrimans I have a copy of their filed Class Action from back in 2013 - question is was it ever certified? If not can it still be? If yes would the Geldert Clients be able to be part of it?

https://www.mckenzielake.com/assets/pdf/Steps_in_a_Class_Action.pdf

This was her post

 

[truthr]

First, from what I have read on various posts here and on FB it would appear that the Option 1 Settlement Agreement has a clause about not being able to sue NM so only a lawyer would be able to tell those people whether they can be part of any Class Action against NM or its subsidiaries and/or representatives.

As for the list for either the BC or AB claim there was a schedule attached to both those claims of the names of the additional defendants for both those provinces and if memory serves me it was to be updated to include all Geldert clients (from the date of the JEKE trial and onwards) whether their Statement of Claims were expired or not and whether they were still Geldert clients or not after the JEKE trial.

Where do I find this claim and the attachments? Is it on your blog?

No it is not on my blog. I believe both are in the August 19, 2016 update.

 

[truthr]

This is what I have regarding the Merriman's 2013 filed document - I have no idea what has happened with it since.

 

[Spark1]

Its crazy, I know. I want out of option 1 also. When I heard people say that MG informed them that NM wouldn't take our payment for the bill they sent out late last year, I thought...how strange...we are still lease holders. Don't they have to take our payment? If not, and they are not allowing us back in, are they foreclosing on our leases? Go ahead NM take my lease and sell it like a real vacation business would. Don't forget to pay me the monies owing on the years left on my lease and enjoy your 25% commission (article 12 in my lease agreement)

That money you paid up front to Fairmont Resort Properties LD is part of the deal when Northmont was awarded the timeshare contracts. This is what we all paid to be part of that resort signed by Collin Knight. They owe me money when I calculate what was left of our initial payment and now I have to use 26.7% interest per year. These bastards probably paid very little for this run down neglected resort because of poor management. Fairmont Resort Property LD probably got paid out under warranty for that leaking grey pipe and pocketed the money. Fraud,Scam, Abuse to innocent Seniors that only wanted a resort and Professional White Collar Crime assholes that did this before and the Justice System is letting them get away with it. Not if we say we had enough. What do you think what would of happened to these crooks in the Wild West days you know?

 

[Petus@18]

Late2Game, you see Truth knew about all of this since 2013, so it is not new news.

 

[NeverNeverAgain]

Believe it or not, Northmont Resort Properties Ltd is 100% owned by Northwynd Limited Partnership. Northwynd owns or hold shares in a number of other companies including, Sunchaser Vacation Villas. Resort Villa Management Ltd. is a single entity and should be treated as such when signing a release agreement. KW does not own Northmont, he was just hired to get rid of us, realign the resort and to get as much money as he can. He has done his job with the help of our "lawyer". Philip Matkin, the Trustee, is involved with all of these companies including, FRPL Finance and FRPL Management owned by Collin Knight (25%).

I call this an orchestrated $million dollar Ponzi scheme, wouldn't you?

Thank you for the response, but I am still confused. Who owns Northwynd Limited Partnership? Is it private, or are there stock holders and financial reports? What do you mean saying Resort Villa Management is a single entity? I believe this is who sends us our statements and who we currently owe money to. Previous posts have indicated that the option 1 people have only sold back their lease to NM and could still be on on the hook for the monies owed to Resort Villa Management. I have not seen a good resolution to this question yet.

Do you agree that Resort Villa Management will not see any of our "excellent settlement" monies or any of the monies that were paid to leave? Either Northmont (the Developer, right?) or Northwynd benefit for those monies but I still do not understand who's pockets we are filling. I think this is important because the courts ruled that we were all "owners" since we had a mutual relationship and it was for the benefit of everyone. However, the monies we are paying to settle/leave appear to have no benefit to those still at the resort and look to benefit only a few. From what you said, it looks like it is not KW, but Phillip Matkin and Collin Knight that are primary owners and whose pockets we are filling.

I know, so many questions and so confusing.

 

[truthr]

Late2Game, you see Truth knew about all this since 2013, so it is not new news.

With all due respect Petus@18 not everyone knew everything about what was going on and a lot still don't as there are so many twists, turns and distractions.

MG used that filing as a reason for not filing a Class Action for us because one was already filed and something about not being able to have two for the same action.
Back then I didn't know a lot about class actions and how they work and am still no expert but from things I have read online about Canadian Class Actions there is a process that one has to go through to file and get it certified, etc., etc. so we may have had a chance to do so considering the judges at the SuperConference even made mention that our counsel should consider that route.

 

[Petus@18]

Thank you for the response, but I am still confused. Who owns Northwynd Limited Partnership? Is it private, or are there stock holders and financial reports? What do you mean saying Resort Villa Management is a single entity? I believe this is who sends us our statements and who we currently owe money to. Previous posts have indicated that the option 1 people have only sold back their lease to NM and could still be on on the hook for the monies owed to Resort Villa Management. I have not seen a good resolution to this question yet.

Do you agree that Resort Villa Management will not see any of our "excellent settlement" monies or any of the monies that were paid to leave? Either Northmont (the Developer, right?) or Northwynd benefit for those monies but I still do not understand who's pockets we are filling. I think this is important because the courts ruled that we were all "owners" since we had a mutual relationship and it was for the benefit of everyone. However, the monies we are paying to settle/leave appear to have no benefit to those still at the resort and look to benefit only a few. From what you said, it looks like it is not KW, but Phillip Matkin and Collin Knight that are primary owners and whose pockets we are filling.

I know, so many questions and so confusing.

You should check the document posted by Truth just now, it will give you some answers

This is what I have regarding the Merriman's 2013 filed document - I have no idea what has happened with it since.

 

[LilMaggie]

Thank you for the response, but I am still confused. Who owns Northwynd Limited Partnership? Is it private, or are there stock holders and financial reports? What do you mean saying Resort Villa Management is a single entity? I believe this is who sends us our statements and who we currently owe money to. Previous posts have indicated that the option 1 people have only sold back their lease to NM and could still be on on the hook for the monies owed to Resort Villa Management. I have not seen a good resolution to this question yet.

Do you agree that Resort Villa Management will not see any of our "excellent settlement" monies or any of the monies that were paid to leave? Either Northmont (the Developer, right?) or Northwynd benefit for those monies but I still do not understand who's pockets we are filling. I think this is important because the courts ruled that we were all "owners" since we had a mutual relationship and it was for the benefit of everyone. However, the monies we are paying to settle/leave appear to have no benefit to those still at the resort and look to benefit only a few. From what you said, it looks like it is not KW, but Phillip Matkin and Collin Knight that are primary owners and whose pockets we are filling.

I know, so many questions and so confusing.

Can anyone verify that Northmont recently attempted to charge an annual VIA "owner in good standing" a $16,000 cancellation fee? How can they charge that much when our leases are practically worthless? Kind of sounds like the money is going into NM pockets.

 

[LilMaggie]

This is what I have regarding the Merriman's 2013 filed document - I have no idea what has happened with it since.

The document is fascinating. Thanks for posting it!

 

[Late2Game]

With all due respect Petus@18 not everyone knew everything about what was going on and a lot still don't as there are so many twists, turns and distractions.

MG used that filing as a reason for not filing a Class Action for us because one was already filed and something about not being able to have two for the same action.
Back then I didn't know a lot about class actions and how they work and am still no expert but from things I have read online about Canadian Class Actions there is a process that one has to go through to file and get it certified, etc., etc. so we may have had a chance to do so considering the judges at the SuperConference even made mention that our counsel should consider that route.

Thanks for posting the filing, Truthr. You're absolutely spot-on re: twists, turns and distractions.

So where did this end up? This was filed over 4 years ago, actually quite timely with respect to when the original storm began brewing. BUT, what happened of it? Did it have merit? Did it proceed? Did the Merrimans succeed? WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT WAS THE RESULT?

And if it DID succeed, why were the rest of us all left on the sidelines?

And Petus@18, where is the rest of this stuff documented so we all derive a better understanding? Is this all accepted as fact or evidenced in agreed-upon statements? Without knowing this or understanding sources and context I don't derive a lot of confidence this wouldn't lead us to another 2-3 years of legal fees, interest and headaches. Can you please help me / us all better understand this better?

ps . . . . does anyone see a resemblance between the image of Wanker and Seinfeld?

 

[Scammed!]

I'm reading posts but then I'm distracted. I stare in the eyes of a man that has gotten away with the unthinkable, torturing innocent people, us, his victims ...with lots of help..... I will never forget this face that ruined my life. I will never forget this face that destroyed my faith in the law. I will never forget this face that took away our family vacation home (our roof over our heads) and then threw us out. I will never forget this face that tore my family apart. I will never forget this face that took the bread and butter from my table, when we hardly had enough for ourselves. I will never ever forget this face.......

Then again, I will never forget there are good people out there, and good always prevails the bad in the end... I am proud of how I was brought up, and who I've become. To be kind, giving, and hard working never taking what's not mine. We must never forget who we are, our beliefs, morals, and respect of others. I can look in the mirror...
What's important is when people look at me I want them to say "I will never forget this face..he/she made a positive difference in my life, and it had nothing to do with money!"

Back to reading more posts..........

 

[Petus@18]

With all due respect Petus@18 not everyone knew everything about what was going on and a lot still don't as there are so many twists, turns and distractions.

MG used that filing as a reason for not filing a Class Action for us because one was already filed and something about not being able to have two for the same action.
Back then I didn't know a lot about class actions and how they work and am still no expert but from things I have read online about Canadian Class Actions there is a process that one has to go through to file and get it certified, etc., etc. so we may have had a chance to do so considering the judges at the SuperConference even made mention that our counsel should consider that route.

Truth, may I ask you, did you get this document from the registrar office in Vancouver in 2013? or from MG? The reason I am asking this is, if from MG, he should have shared this information with all of his clients, don't you think? Maybe we could have chosen a different path and changed the whole direction of this mess.

Thanks for posting the filing, Truthr. You're absolutely spot-on re: twists, turns and distractions.

So where did this end up? This was filed over 4 years ago, actually quite timely with respect to when the original storm began brewing. BUT, what happened of it? Did it have merit? Did it proceed? Did the Merrimans succeed? WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT WAS THE RESULT?

And if it DID succeed, why were the rest of us all left on the sidelines?

And Petus@18, where is the rest of this stuff documented so we all derive a better understanding? Is this all accepted as fact or evidenced in agreed-upon statements? Without knowing this or understanding sources and context I don't derive a lot of confidence this wouldn't lead us to another 2-3 years of legal fees, interest and headaches. Can you please help me / us all better understand this better?

ps . . . . does anyone see a resemblance between the image of Wanker and Seinfeld?

Late2Game, I know we are all frustrated but really the tone you have used towards me is absurd and I don't appreciate it. I have nothing else to say. Truth had this document for many years, and as you and Truth said with "so many twists, turns and distractions" who knows?? So I can't help you.

I just posted these comments retrieved from FB, thinking this information will help everyone in this site. As I can see from your comments, I will know better next time.