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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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check this out on their website - fairly new on their website. In just the past week or so they had been looking for Option 2 Geldert Clients but have since said no to all Geldert clients
https://www.higgertylaw.ca/class-action-lawsuits/sunchaser-vacation-villas-class-action/
Interesting! No cost to clients as info states there is only a contingency fee if Higgerty Law wins the class action. I hope the Merrimans comment on this. I'm not sure from reading link if you could participate if you have bought your way out already.
 

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In just the past week or so they had been looking for Option 2 Geldert Clients but have since said no to all Geldert clients

So not an option to anyone that MG was representing and/or were subject to the judgement?
 

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For Geldert clients SIF refers to Sunchaser Instruction Form wherein we were given two options at the end of October 2017.
Option 1 - give Geldert carte blanc to reach some type of settlement agreement to release the clients without any of the clients present and we were not privy to who when this meeting would take place, who would be there, what the starting or ending points would be, etc., etc.
Option 2 - proceed on your own (which was directly contrary to what the two Judges ordered for working out the interest and costs for the Statement of Claims leading to a Judgment of said Statement of Claims (these clients would not be released)

I see no where in either the BC or AB Judgement/Decision directing a Settlement Judgement releasing anyone from the resort.
Reading again through BC Justice Branch's Supplementary Reasons for Judgment. Have I got this right? Justice Branch allowed judgment on the individual amount of each of the 370 invoices at September 30, 2017 that NM/KW filed in BC, PLUS interest at 26.82% per annum, PLUS a "special costs" lump sum award of $333,000 or about $900 per each of the 370 claims, PLUS the specific costs of disbursements related to each of the 370 claims. However, the individual judgments are for the above debt only owed to NM. So NM can now proceed to actions to collect on this judgment. But, collecting this debt does not release the defendant(s) from the timeshare lease. Therefore the 2018 maintenance fee would still be due and payable and interest would kick in once again on any unpaid balance.
Would a class action stay this judgment while the class action suit proceeds? Would it halt further annual maintenance fees and interest from accruing? If unsuccessful, would NM be allowed costs plus collecting on the debt today or at the time the CA suit ends?
Time is running out and I don't want to look back with more regrets. What to do, what to do?!
 

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So not an option to anyone that MG was representing and/or were subject to the judgement?
If all those were to be excluded, how many possible clients could Higgerty Law expect to involve?
 

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check this out on their website - fairly new on their website. In just the past week or so they had been looking for Option 2 Geldert Clients but have since said no to all Geldert clients
 
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We are Option 1 as well and now wondering if it's possible and how to relinquish the settlement obligations....Any help on this?
I am option 1 also, and the more I read and learn, something is not right with this whole thing. I did not reply to Geldert by the Dec 28 deadline but don't feel like paying by Feb 15. I am thinking I have to inform Geldert to remove me from his list. I think I/we need to let him know the following:
1. We wanted to see the actual dollar amounts and details of the settlement before deciding.
2. Are not in agreement with the settlement
3. Are not happy how with him with this offer and the lack of communication he promised he would give us.
4. Request that he does not provide Northmont with our Lease ID, names or contact information.
5. Question why we would have to pay BOTH the Renovation Project fee with compounded interest Plus the exit fee when originally it was one or the other.
6. On a personal note I asked MG if I could save the $10,000 exit fee if I decided to pay the Statement amounts Northwynd is claiming. His answer was that Northwynd said this was not an option that Northwynd would give. How can they then justify to charge for 2018 Mainatenance fees if we do not pay by Feb 15? Either we are still an owner or not an owner.

Thoughts for those of us in Option 1 but don't want to pay the ransom by Feb 15?
 
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How does what you are quoting differ with this example:

250 units
Total Reno budget = $52 million
Reno budget per unit = $208k
Reno budget per unit week = $4k

Remove 128 units from the RFP

Total Reno Budget has to decrease, as you avoid having to renovate entire buildings as NM retires those weeks from the timeshare plan. So the number cannot be $52 million anymore.

The court fully understood that certain buildings were not to be renovated at owners expense. But why should NM pay RFP on units that will not be renovated under the RFP? What is the legal basis for arguing that?

EDIT: If MG had his eye on the ball he would have suggested you band together to get the same deal that NM was taking - the ability to take a entire building out of the timeshare plan. Then just sell the building or bulldoze it. With 1400 owners in the group that would seem to translate to at least one building at the resort.


To whom are you referring when you say, owner?

So now its a renovation. I thought it was repair and maintenance. That's what you said it was. A renovation isn't allowed in my lease. $200,000+ per unit? That's some freaking repair.

Each lease was an asset. You know a lot about the law, what do you know about accounting? Assuming this is a time share plan, which it is not because Northmont has not conducted themselves as a Developer would in a time share plan, but let's not worry about trivial details now. Assuming it is a time share plan under the BC legislation regarding time shares, how are assets to be treated?
Let me give you a short answer. It doesn't entitle the Developer to remove them from the books without any benefit accruing to the other Lessees. I would quote Justice Loo, but I can't type and hold my nose at the same time.

You never answered Punter's question. Because Kirk Wankel is on record, under oath, as saying that people who pay to leave do not have to pay the RPF, but apparently they do.

#NAFR #NAFTS
 
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Reading again through BC Justice Branch's Supplementary Reasons for Judgment. Have I got this right? Justice Branch allowed judgment on the individual amount of each of the 370 invoices at September 30, 2017 that NM/KW filed in BC, PLUS interest at 26.82% per annum, PLUS a "special costs" lump sum award of $333,000 or about $900 per each of the 370 claims, PLUS the specific costs of disbursements related to each of the 370 claims. However, the individual judgments are for the above debt only owed to NM. So NM can now proceed to actions to collect on this judgment. But, collecting this debt does not release the defendant(s) from the timeshare lease. Therefore the 2018 maintenance fee would still be due and payable and interest would kick in once again on any unpaid balance.
Would a class action stay this judgment while the class action suit proceeds? Would it halt further annual maintenance fees and interest from accruing? If unsuccessful, would NM be allowed costs plus collecting on the debt today or at the time the CA suit ends?
Time is running out and I don't want to look back with more regrets. What to do, what to do?!

I thought you already made up your mind about paying?? Remember the 2 trusting lawyers that got us the great settlement! Why you keep posting? Is it your job to keep reminding Option 1 people that they don't have a choice? Well they do! I am calling you again "have you been hired by MG to scare as many people as you can?; he sure likes to continue playing dirty" Shame on you!!

Ps I wonder if we can add MG's name to the Class Action??? Uhmmm what to do? what to do!!!!
 
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I am option 1 also, and the more I read and learn, something is not right with this whole thing. I did not reply to Geldert by the Dec 28 deadline but don't feel like paying by Feb 15. I am thinking I have to inform Geldert to remove me from his list. I think I/we need to let him know the following:
1. We wanted to see the actual dollar amounts and details of the settlement before deciding.
2. Are not in agreement with the settlement
3. Are not happy how with him with this offer and the lack of communication he promised he would give us.
4. Request that he does not provide Northmont with our Lease ID, names or contact information.
5. Question why we would have to pay BOTH the Renovation Project fee with compounded interest Plus the exit fee when originally it was one or the other.
6. On a personal note I asked MG if I could save the $10,000 exit fee if I decided to pay the Statement amounts Northwynd is claiming. His answer was that Northwynd said this was not an option that Northwynd would give. How can they then justify to charge for 2018 Mainatenance fees if we do not pay by Feb 15? Either we are still an owner or not an owner.

Thoughts for those of us in Option 1 but don't want to pay the ransom by Feb 15?

You have very valid points. You should join us in court and don't sign the bloody ransom. You're not alone!!

Or better lets contact this firm:check this out on their website - fairly new on their website. In just the past week or so they had been looking for Option 2 Geldert Clients but have since said no to all Geldert clients
https://www.higgertylaw.ca/class-action-lawsuits/sunchaser-vacation-villas-class-action/
 
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You have very valid points, screw MG. You should join us in court and don't sign the bloody ransom. You're not alone!!

Or better lets contact this firm:check this out on their website - fairly new on their website. In just the past week or so they had been looking for Option 2 Geldert Clients but have since said no to all Geldert clients
https://www.higgertylaw.ca/class-action-lawsuits/sunchaser-vacation-villas-class-action/

I checked their site, no where does it say they are saying no to Geldert clients. It just asks if you have joined another contingency agreement with another law firm. I signed up.

As far as not paying by February 15. Geldert states that failing to pay the ransom "failure by you to provide what is required to us carries a 162% consent to judgment sum." I think we must communicate and request to him that we do not agree to the Settlement Agreement and give the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.
 

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To whom are you referring when you say, owner?

So now its a renovation. I thought it was repair and maintenance. That's what you said it was. A renovation isn't allowed in my lease. $200,000+ per unit? That's some freaking repair.

Each lease was an asset. You know a lot about the law, what do you know about accounting? Assuming this is a time share plan, which it is not because Northmont has not conducted themselves as a Developer would in a time share plan, but let's not worry about trivial details now. Assuming it is a time share plan under the BC legislation regarding time shares, how are assets to be treated?
Let me give you a short answer. It doesn't entitle the Developer to remove them from the books without any benefit accruing to the other Lessees. I would quote Justice Loo, but I can't type and hold my nose at the same time.

You never answered Punter's question. Because Kirk Wankel is on record, under oath, as saying that people who pay to leave do not have to pay the RPF, but apparently they do.

#NAFR #NAFTS

You really need to quit shooting the messenger. I empathize greatly with the horrible situation the group finds itself in, but all I have tried to do is help people understand how the court has ruled - and usually by citing the exact words of the court.

As I have said before, your anger is misdirected. But I have no problem serving as a punching bag by proxy if it helps you deal with your angst.

You will find my answer to Punter's question is in part of what you quoted above and in this post https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php...cial-thread-with-lawsuit-info.182857/page-160

EDIT: Kirk Wankel's testimony is that people who decided to leave in 2013 by paying the cancellation fee would not have to pay the RPF. Not that anyone who paid to leave as a result of a negotiated settlement in 2018 would not have to pay the RPF.
 
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I checked their site, no where does it say they are saying no to Geldert clients. It just asks if you have joined another contingency agreement with another law firm. I signed up.

As far as not paying by February 15. Geldert states that failing to pay the ransom "failure by you to provide what is required to us carries a 162% consent to judgment sum." I think we must communicate and request to him that we do not agree to the Settlement Agreement and give the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.


On Monday January 29th, one of the lawyers working on the Class Action at Higgerty Law had posted in the Sunchaser Northwynd Class Action Facebook Group:"You may contact Higgerty Law if you have been served with claims by the lawyers for Northmont/Northwynd or if you have previously paid out a claim. You may also contact us if you have not opted into the settlement with Mr. Geldert's Group."

Originally they were looking for Geldert Option 2 clients and non Geldert clients, I spoke with two lawyers (one of them being Mr. Docken) working on the Class Action at the firm on Monday, January 29th and they were examining who they could assist.

Then someone contacted them and was told they could only take non Geldert clients and Geldert Option 2, not Option 1

Then someone else contacted them and was told they could not take any Geldert clients AT ALL

I spoke to one of the lawyers working on the Class Action again on Friday, February 2nd late afternoon and was told that they cannot represent ANY Geldert clients - period.

Mr. Docken is to call me early next week (I hope Monday) to clear this up.
 

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To whom are you referring when you say, owner?

So now its a renovation. I thought it was repair and maintenance. That's what you said it was. A renovation isn't allowed in my lease. $200,000+ per unit? That's some freaking repair.

Each lease was an asset. You know a lot about the law, what do you know about accounting? Assuming this is a time share plan, which it is not because Northmont has not conducted themselves as a Developer would in a time share plan, but let's not worry about trivial details now. Assuming it is a time share plan under the BC legislation regarding time shares, how are assets to be treated?
Let me give you a short answer. It doesn't entitle the Developer to remove them from the books without any benefit accruing to the other Lessees. I would quote Justice Loo, but I can't type and hold my nose at the same time.

You never answered Punter's question. Because Kirk Wankel is on record, under oath, as saying that people who pay to leave do not have to pay the RPF, but apparently they do.

#NAFR #NAFTS
Here is the play on words: Kirk Wankel is on record, under oath, as saying that people who pay to leave do not have to pay the RPF

The amount the people who are settling is confusing because it is based on the "invoice" which has a charge for "RPF", "Maintenance", interest and now they are adding an exit fee.
But the amount is just that "an amount" so in reality those who are settling are not necessarily paying for the RPF because in reality those units that those who leave become part of NM inventory which will probably be part of the buildings that are in Hillside that will be sold off.

Again the amount those who settle pay appears to be pure cash to NM. Now if they were actually acting in the best interest of the resort the delinquent maintenance would be accounted for on the units that are delinquent that the other lessees have been paying for on their maintenance fees, same with the legal/court costs that they recoup. As for the interest that is a pure cash cow and again, if they were actually acting in the best interest of the resort they could put that in a special trust fund for a reserve thereby reducing the future maintenance fees of the ones who stay. That would just be good business for the resort.
 
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I thought you already made up your mind about paying?? Remember the 2 trusting lawyers that got us the great settlement! Why you keep posting? Is it your job to keep reminding Option 1 people that they don't have a choice? Well they do! I am calling you again "have you been hired by MG to scare as many people as you can?; he sure likes to continue playing dirty" Shame on you!!

Ps I wonder if we can add MG's name to the Class Action??? Uhmmm what to do? what to do!!!!
Of course we all have a choice. I exercised my right to keep my options open in case new info came to light. I have until Feb. 13 to sign and send. I had made up my mind and it will still take a lot to choose otherwise. But I'd be foolish not to consider the new info like what the courts are saying about NM's right to charge 26.82% interest (ours is a pre-2004 contract so no per annum rate was specified) and now this class action by Higgerty Law/Clint Docken who has expertise in this area. NO I am NOT anything other than a victim like you and a client of MG. I am a senior with health issues and not enough money to lose $1000s for nothing! I ask questions to try to figure out fact from fake, risk vs reward. I try to listen and learn, but with all the emotion, sensitivities, and voices chiming in, it's no easy task figuring this all out.
 

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Mr. Docken is to call me early next week (I hope Monday) to clear this up.

So for those who took Option #1 and [want] to separate from the settlement on the basis of MG's misrepresentations - they need to be looking for different legal representation?

Because it seems like Docken was never intending to represent them, and it is easy for people to get confused when they hear the words "Class Action". Automatically assuming they will be included in this class.

When that is one of the toughest hurdles to cross when it comes to class action lawsuits.

Again this is my personal opinion, and not in any role as a Moderator.
 
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So for those who took Option #1 and [want] to separate from the settlement on the basis of MG's misrepresentations - they need to be looking for different legal representation?

Because it seems like Docken was never intending to represent them, and it is easy for people to get confused when they hear the words "Class Action". Automatically assuming they will be included in this class.

When that is one of the toughest hurdles to cross when it comes to class action lawsuits.

Again this is my personal opinion, and not in any role as a Moderator.

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it seems like Docken was never intending to represent them

I can't speak for Mr. Docken but during my conversation with him and the other lawyer on Monday I did not get that impression.

I actually got the opposite impression - that he was looking at all options for all people affected by this.
 
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Q By signing the SIF indicating Option 1, are we agreeing to a settlement without knowing the terms of the settlement?

A Neither side of this dispute wants a repeat of the last settlement discussions that failed to resolve the dispute between you and Northmont. Northmont made it a precondition of our settlement discussions that we have the ability to sign a binding agreement for you. What we want to clarify is that having the ability to sign a prospective settlement agreement does not limit the exercise of our mandate to negotiate reasonable terms for you, or to confirm those terms before arriving at a final agreement. Should the settlement discussions develop into an agreement that we believe can be recommended to you, we will provide a copy to the group for final input prior to finalizing those terms.
 

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Q By signing the SIF indicating Option 1, are we agreeing to a settlement without knowing the terms of the settlement?

A Neither side of this dispute wants a repeat of the last settlement discussions that failed to resolve the dispute between you and Northmont. Northmont made it a precondition of our settlement discussions that we have the ability to sign a binding agreement for you. What we want to clarify is that having the ability to sign a prospective settlement agreement does not limit the exercise of our mandate to negotiate reasonable terms for you, or to confirm those terms before arriving at a final agreement. Should the settlement discussions develop into an agreement that we believe can be recommended to you, we will provide a copy to the group for final input prior to finalizing those terms.

How come according to this email we did not get a "confirm these terms before arriving at a final settlement"???
 

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Of course we all have a choice. I exercised my right to keep my options open in case new info came to light. I have until Feb. 13 to sign and send. I had made up my mind and it will still take a lot to choose otherwise. But I'd be foolish not to consider the new info like what the courts are saying about NM's right to charge 26.82% interest (ours is a pre-2004 contract so no per annum rate was specified) and now this class action by Higgerty Law/Clint Docken who has expertise in this area. NO I am NOT anything other than a victim like you and a client of MG. I am a senior with health issues and not enough money to lose $1000s for nothing! I ask questions to try to figure out fact from fake, risk vs reward. I try to listen and learn, but with all the emotion, sensitivities, and voices chiming in, it's no easy task figuring this all out.

Good enough, but honestly for someone looking for options, like everyone else here, you seem to always bring the worst negative comments on everything. You also seem to have the information and figures but your opinions, always revolve around the option 1 people having no option but to sign the settlement. As for any Class Action suit, I hope all leaseholders are included, no matter what option they were forced to take. I also hope that we can prove that all of this was a very well orchestrated fraudulent business scheme.

My opinion so I will move on.
 

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Currently you guys have one big thread and there is a lot of cross-talk on different topics. Does it make sense for separate threads for those actively looking for options?
 

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Currently you guys have one big thread and there is a lot of cross-talk on different topics. Does it make sense for separate threads for those actively looking for options?

Something like “PLAN B” I am sure other seasoned folks will chime in on this. I am coming in a bit late! And seeing another battle awaiting before courts with (Lee Merriman V Northmont et al) active court filling # S-134766 ~ and has requisite for a Class Action and willing to help others.
 

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I am option 1 also, and the more I read and learn, something is not right with this whole thing. I did not reply to Geldert by the Dec 28 deadline but don't feel like paying by Feb 15. I am thinking I have to inform Geldert to remove me from his list. I think I/we need to let him know the following:
1. We wanted to see the actual dollar amounts and details of the settlement before deciding.
2. Are not in agreement with the settlement
3. Are not happy how with him with this offer and the lack of communication he promised he would give us.
4. Request that he does not provide Northmont with our Lease ID, names or contact information.
5. Question why we would have to pay BOTH the Renovation Project fee with compounded interest Plus the exit fee when originally it was one or the other.
6. On a personal note I asked MG if I could save the $10,000 exit fee if I decided to pay the Statement amounts Northwynd is claiming. His answer was that Northwynd said this was not an option that Northwynd would give. How can they then justify to charge for 2018 Mainatenance fees if we do not pay by Feb 15? Either we are still an owner or not an owner.

Thoughts for those of us in Option 1 but don't want to pay the ransom by Feb 15?
Its crazy, I know. I want out of option 1 also. When I heard people say that MG informed them that NM wouldn't take our payment for the bill they sent out late last year, I thought...how strange...we are still lease holders. Don't they have to take our payment? If not, and they are not allowing us back in, are they foreclosing on our leases? Go ahead NM take my lease and sell it like a real vacation business would. Don't forget to pay me the monies owing on the years left on my lease and enjoy your 25% commission (article 12 in my lease agreement)
 

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Currently you guys have one big thread and there is a lot of cross-talk on different topics. Does it make sense for separate threads for those actively looking for options?
I can certainly understand why you would think that might be a good idea, however once the Settlement due date of February 15th comes and goes those people will be done.
There is so much valuable information in this thread and having a separate one would just make it more cumbersome for those of us who continue and people coming in late to the battle.
 
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So for those who took Option #1 and [want] to separate from the settlement on the basis of MG's misrepresentations - they need to be looking for different legal representation?

Because it seems like Docken was never intending to represent them, and it is easy for people to get confused when they hear the words "Class Action". Automatically assuming they will be included in this class.

I think for option 1 people, it is settled. We no longer have a case against NM, we can only go after MG for mis-representing us, correct? We can only go after NM if criminal charges are filed or fraud has been proven, which will likely be after Feb 15th at this point. The more I think about how this ended, the more I think there is more going on here. Are option 1 people looking for another lawyer for this purpose, or just waiting for MG to get reviewed by BC Law Society at this point?

I assume ecwinch is just pointing out where we no longer have legal standing, not specifically if he agrees with the decision. I hope he does continue to post as it helps me understand this mess from the courts point of view and might make clear where there is still valid legal standing.

As stated in previous posts, the settlement is based on our bill which includes:
1. The renovation fee, which is not being done on our units since we are leaving.
2. Maintenance fees, for services we were denied.
3. Interest at 27% on these amounts, when they did not spend the money.
4. Plus an added amount, presumably an exit fee for our lease agreement.

They are double dipping or worse, and there is no way the damages could be this much. Also, I think the court did rule that they were responsible for their share of the Maintenance fees, which is likely what was being referred to. If their share of maintenance fees had been paid, the bill would have been less (half) for that portion.

It has been said that we are not actually paying for the above items, it is just an amount. My question still remains, does anyone know where this money is legally suppose to go? Does it need to be spent on the resort? From a previous post, it looks like it will not be going to the REIT investors. Shouldn't it show as income on the books and then have to be shown as an expense when the money is spent? Someone please help me understand this from the legal perspective. If the money is spent on the resort, it is in great shape. If not, things are not going to be looking good for the resort going forward or those still involved.

After many sleepless nights, I may have finally answered some of my own questions. I know this is complicated, and for some, I think the answers to these questions are obvious and I must seem stupid. However, until recently, I did not even know what a REIT was. Let me see if I understand this now and maybe provide clarity this for others like me. Please correct me on those points I am wrong.

1. NM (the real owner) is a separate entity from the resort management.
2. Those that paid the renovation fee back in 2013, that money goes toward the resort management and any renovations.
3. For all that settled, or paid to leave, that money goes to NM, free and clear. All the money that is about to be paid in this last "excellent settlement", will go to NM free and clear with no obligations. The settlement is based on "resort management costs", but is nothing more than a "number" to be paid to NM.
4. The financial statements we see are only for the resort management, and have nothing to do with NM. We have no access to NM financial statements.
5. From previous posts, it sound like an audit of NM was done back in about 2012, but non of us know what the result was and there have been no audits of NM since?
6. KW owns NM (and everthing else to do with the resort) and therefore will have all of this money free and clear. He is free to sell the buildings once everyone has paid to leave.

If the above is correct, this is just so, so wrong. We all know this is not what we agreed to purchase and was represented to us. Everything has been turned upside down when it was somehow determined by the courts that the leases were the "owners".
 
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I think for option 1 people, it is settled. We no longer have a case against NM, we can only go after MG for mis-representing us, correct? We can only go after NM if criminal charges are filed or fraud has been proven, which will likely be after Feb 15th at this point. The more I think about how this ended, the more I think there is more going on here. Are option 1 people looking for another lawyer for this purpose, or just waiting for MG to get reviewed by BC Law Society at this point?



After many sleepless nights, I may have finally answered some of my own questions. I know this is complicated, and for some, I think the answers to these questions are obvious and I must seem stupid. However, until recently, I did not even know what a REIT was. Let me see if I understand this now and maybe provide clarity this for others like me. Please correct me on those points I am wrong.

1. NM (the real owner) is a separate entity from the resort management.
2. Those that paid the renovation fee back in 2013, that money goes toward the resort management and any renovations.
3. For all that settled, or paid to leave, that money goes to NM, free and clear. All the money that is about to be paid in this last "excellent settlement", will go to NM free and clear with no obligations. The settlement is based on "resort management costs", but is nothing more than a "number" to be paid to NM.
4. The financial statements we see are only for the resort management, and have nothing to do with NM. We have no access to NM financial statements.
5. From previous posts, it sound like an audit of NM was done back in about 2012, but non of us know what the result was and there have been no audits of NM since?
6. KW owns NM (and everthing else to do with the resort) and therefore will have all of this money free and clear. He is free to sell the buildings once everyone has paid to leave.

If the above is correct, this is just so, so wrong. We all know this is not what we agreed to purchase and was represented to us. Everything has been turned upside down when it was somehow determined by the courts that the leases were the "owners
Interestingly Justice Young refers to us within the group as "owners or leesees", over and over again. So she is actually making the distinction herself.
 
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