[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[FairSun]

Not questioning your reasons just questions being 100% sure because MG told you. MG being 100% anything other than being 100% wrong so far scares me.

No guarantees, that's for sure.

 

[Scammed!]

No guarantees, that's for sure.

You have got to be kidding me! Soooooooooo were being set up again? Who gives 25,000.00 with no guarantees.....us? And if we don't we go to slaughter. There are No officials stepping in to protect this from happening again? This is so crazy that its beyond words.

 

[FairSun]

You have got to be kidding me! Soooooooooo were being set up again? Who gives 25,000.00 with no guarantees.....us? And if we don't we go to slaughter. There are No officials stepping in to protect this from happening again? This is so crazy that its beyond words.

I trust that the two lawyers who negotiated the settlement and release agreements for us are honest and will not disappear with our money. I trust the lawyer for NM will uphold the deal as negotiated. They are all lawyers and I have to put my trust somewhere. But as we have seen over the past 5-6 years, there are no guarantees that what you understood you bought is actually the same as what the courts understood you bought.

 

[Petus@18]

Option 1 was put in our faces under false pretences, the document we signed was created by our "lawyer" through intentional misrepresentation. Options 1 & 2 are the same now if you decide not to sign the settlement. We opted out of it (Option 2) and those who did not sign the SIF (Option 3.. maybe?) will be facing Northmont's punishment. According to MG, Northmont will put a judgement in motion for 162%, plus interest from Nov/17, against everyone The only difference is that (Option 1) will be gagged if the settlement is signed.

Q: does anyone know where the figure of 162% judgement came from? I can only see it in MG's emails, but cannot find it in any court documents? Is this even legal? Is there a court judgement referencing this type of interest?

We are still waiting for Judge Young to decide on interests & costs, so why the rush to settle by giving us an ultimate deadline? Geldert/Strathcona Group are no longer our legal counsel. MG is using the same scare tactics Northmont has used for years. By "thunders and lightning" he is injecting fear in all of us to get as many to sign the bloody settlement.

For those who still believe in the tooth fairy, you are right by following MG's advice, after all, he has demonstrated a formidable way of caring for his clients' interests.

2 cents

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

I recommend you talk to Michael Geldert if you signed Option 1. I am 100% confident that complying with the steps he has outlined by the deadline DOES secure us a full release.

Hi FairSun

My opinion differs significantly and wouldn't encourage people to talk with Michael unless they have a specific agenda laid out, limit the conversation to a narrow scope, and stick strictly to your agenda.

Don't let the conversation go in a direction not on your agenda.

If you are phishing for information is the only time you want to encourage Michael to talk as he is more than willing to fill the gaps with his own voice.

In Canada there is no consent required to record a phone conversation if you are recording yourself talking to someone else - if you can, record your next call and listen to it afterwords with someone else who can be objective (taking yourself out of the moment and having someone else objectively critique is a great way to identify specific traits in the other person's side of the conversation).


I am not a psychologist but I interact with a lot of very professional people so I need to be able to read them in order to adjust my own interaction style to ensure an efficient and productive interaction occurs.

With Michael very early on I identified specific traits very well defined in this article by Help Guide:

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm

 

[FairSun]

Hi FairSun

My opinion differs significantly and wouldn't encourage people to talk with Michael unless they have a specific agenda laid out, limit the conversation to a narrow scope, and stick strictly to your agenda.

Don't let the conversation go in a direction not on your agenda.

If you are phishing for information is the only time you want to encourage Michael to talk as he is more than willing to fill the gaps with his own voice.

In Canada there is no consent required to record a phone conversation if you are recording yourself talking to someone else - if you can, record your next call and listen to it afterwords with someone else who can be objective (taking yourself out of the moment and having someone else objectively critique is a great way to identify specific traits in the other person's side of the conversation).


I am not a psychologist but I interact with a lot of very professional people so I need to be able to read them in order to adjust my own interaction style to ensure an efficient and productive interaction occurs.

With Michael very early on I identified specific traits very well defined in this article by Help Guide:

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm

Can't say that's been my experience but then I've only talked to MG twice.
I did find the article interesting and couldn't help but think it exactly captured a certain prominent politician in the news daily.

 

[Plus454]

CTV Calgary reported on it.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?cl...Num=1#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=yFqDfiT

 

[Scammed!]

Someone needs to call Judge Young's OffICE AND THE MINSTER Of JUSTICE TODAY! I would but at work sent more emails this morning. We need protection!

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

At this point I am preparing myself to pay the money for an option 1 release but I see significant risks related to Geldert’s ability to have the release processed and the manor in which we are to get our release.

When you buy a house the lawyer or a representative of the lawyer sits down with you to ensure you:

1. You know exactly what you are signing!!

Does anyone really understand the Settlement Agreement, you may have paid for another legal opinion but Michael is actually responsible for this and to my knowledge has not provided any form of follow-up email to the group to explain the Settlement Agreement which a lot of people have requested. He has continued to take some calls and respond to some emails for the past two weeks which can be converted to billable time but why no “Question and Answer” follow up to everyone which is much more efficient as there would be many common questions.

2. Before you leave the lawyers office you or your real-estate agent has the keys – the deal is done!!
With this deal we pay and wait to receive a release from Northmont who by the nature of this arrangement has been given final authority – there is not a clear consensual relationship of exchange which means until you receive your release there is no guarantee you will get one.
Say for example you have a Riverside Lease and they only want Hillside as these are the ones that will move them closer to the Realignment – we are not making the rules and we are expected to continue to follow Michael blindly again. I for one have learnt a very expensive lesson on that already and not willing to learn another one!!

With such a large sum of money and such a small boutique law firm processing the final release there is too much at stake for us all individually especially when you look at this collectively.

If we are going be be forced to pay I feel it is in our best interest to ensure a third party oversight is assigned!!

We need intervention so if you haven’t already put in your plea for HELP to the Law Society, other agencies, or media DO IT TODAY!!

If you have already asked for HELP do follow-up calls/emails and point out the risk you are taking in paying part of a collective large sum of money and no longer have trust in your lawyer to manage the trust account or to process your final release without some form of oversight.

If you need another example of where the Law Society can intervene, Michael has on more than one occasion been requested for a "reconciliation of the joint trust account" statements and has said all accounting including all invoices will be available once this is all over – that is not the way this works as trust accounts need to be reconciled monthly I believe and if you have any doubt about the trust account tell them (have a look at the December invoice alone and it points to money paid to a disbarred lawyer who was a former Strathcona Law Group partner or a large amount of money paid for a class action Geldert clients cannot even participate in - the question could be asked was this to drain the fund).

Still don't rule out contacting the Politicians and Court Offices you have already talked with today - by reviewing how we have been forced into this settlement we can plead for their HELP for oversight.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

WHO I FEEL IS NOW OUR BEST HOPE FOR INTERVENTION
In BC Lawyers have a group insurance and they also contribute to a fund in order to deal with large claims against a bad lawyer – when a risk occurs especially a significant one lawyers are to notify of their potential liability as any insurance group will want to try and mitigate their loss.

If you are sending in a complaint to the BC Law Society do a follow-up call or email to this group to help expedite some action given the scale of their potential exposure and make them realize how many complaints there are may prioritize an immediate investigation.

https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/suppor...ntact-us/contact-us-by-types-of-inquiries-en/
There is a complete list of contact people listed with emails and phone numbers on the right side of the page about ½ way down – please call / email them as our intervention options are getting less by the day.


The Law Societies
British Columbia
Email contract for British Columbia Law Society:
professionalconduct@lsbc.org

File Information for British Columbia
Northmont Resort Properties v. Brian Golbert and Collette Goldberg
No. S159447, Vancouver Registry (the "Goldbert Action")
Decision of Mr. Justice Branch


Alberta
Contact link for Alberta Law Society:
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/
Alberta Lawyer on Record is Barry King / Vincent Tong
Strathcona Law Group
150 Chippewa Road
Sherwood Park, AB
T8A 6A2

File Information for Alberta:
Provincial Court of Alberta Edmonton
Northmont Resort Properties Ltd. v. Reid, 2017 ABPC 249
Registry Action Number: P1490304333
Date: October 11, 2017
Decision of the Honorable Judge L.D. Young

 

[CleoB]

Exactly what I was told, Option 1 peoples bill is what MG sent you, but additionally he also said the release is weak. Can you imagine, MG the timeshare lawyer expert has a release that may not be strong enough to ensure we are truly out! Anybody else get this opinion, if so anyone in option 1 needs to phone MG and demand why this release is not 110% foolproof!!!

I asked my lawyer/friend and he said he wasn't sure as he didn't know the full details on the fact that NM has been sold to KW. NW may not be able to come after you but what about KW?

 

[CleoB]

Just my opinion after discussing this at length with MG. I view going this route at this point is far less risky than trying to negotiate a better deal with KW that gets me out of our contract. Last March we rolled the dice and continued fighting for what my husband and I believed was right, fair and just. Double or nothing, as it turned out. We pay double because of even more court decisions against our position. I firmly believe KW and NM will not give any of us a better break. Right or wrong, I am not taking any more chances with our limited finances.
Each of us has to come to terms in our own way with this ghastly situation. We each have to live with our decision. I respect anyone who seeks their own path here, no matter how different from mine. After countless sleepless, anxious nights; searching and surfing for hours on end; scouring and analyzing every related document I could find; my husband and I have concluded Option 1 is our best option.

Did you get anything in writing from Geldert or was this just over the phone so that he can deny saying any of this to you?

 

[NeverNeverAgain]

As I stated earlier, the theory that "capital costs" are NEVER the responsibility of the lessee is overstated. For starters, can anyone point to a law that says "Capital costs" are NEVER the responsibility of the lessee?

This is true. Looks like there are a lot of legal issues to be found concerning this issue and some leases can be written such that they are included. However, I still strongly believe ours was not.

I do believe most accountants would agree with that definition of capital expense, and I would agree that there are some grey areas. But the VIA is clear that the lessee is responsible for "replacement costs" vs limiting responsibility to just repair costs.

OPERATING COSTS AND RESERVE FOR REFURBISHING: In addition to the Management Fee described in paragraph 10 of this Lease, the [Lessee] shall be responsible for his proportionate share of all administration[,] maintenance and repair costs (the "Operating Costs") and replacement costs incurred with respect to the Vacation Resort and the Vacation Properties including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following:

So what part of the Renovation Plan is not repairing or replacing some element of the #NAFR as originally delivered?

When reading the lease in regard to "replacement costs", it is always referenced in respect to the reserve fund for furniture and fixtures, not the whole building. However, looks like this was argued in court, and of course we lost. Hard for me to figure that one out. Bottom line, NEVER sign another contract, and especially those when you are on vacation and on weekends away from lawyers (not that it would have helped).

For all those who corrected me when I indicated that Fairmont went bankrupt because they knew they could not charge these fees, my apologies and thank you. Would it be correct to say that if Fairmont have been given the current court decisions, they would not have needed to pursue bankruptcy because they could have charged the renovation fee, or anything they want, and clearly paid any/all liabilities?

This brings me to the situation at hand today and maybe hinted to above. Many of us are now committed to pay a huge sum of money by court order and/or the workings of our lawyer. I suspect the rest will soon will be committed to paying extreme sums of money. It is my understanding this money was specifically billed (as presented to the court) for the renovation of the resort and would therefore be committed to stay at the resort for this purpose. Is this not true? If so, what happens if it is not used for renovation, would that be illegal and a criminal case to be made? With this forced settlement, it is estimated there will be 10's of millions of dollars flowing in. There are other posts speculating this money would flow elsewhere, but I would assume it will need to be accounted for on future audited financial statements, assuming they are made.

Is there any ability to figure out what has happened to what must be 10's of millions of dollars that have already been paid by the people who paid to stay or have settled. This money also, as specifically stated, should have been committed to the renovation/operation of the resort and must be on the current audited financial statements, correct? Can this be figured out, or has someone figured it out? There have been posts indicating much of the resort is still run down and boarded up. Again, if the money was not used for this purpose, would that not be illegal and criminal charges filed? Is a forensic audit required to figure this out? I know our lawyer determined that a forensic audit was not practical for cost reasons, but ironic where we are now. Is it legal for the buildings to be sold and the money pocketed even if the money is spent for operations and renovations, or does that also need to stay with the resort? Anyone with legal or accounting knowledge in this area that can say with confidence?

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

Option 1 was put in our faces under false pretences, the document we signed was created by our "lawyer" through intentional misrepresentation. Options 1 & 2 are the same now if you decide not to sign the settlement. We opted out of it (Option 2) and those who did not sign the SIF (Option 3.. maybe?) will be facing Northmont's punishment. According to MG, Northmont will put a judgement in motion for 162%, plus interest from Nov/17, against everyone The only difference is that (Option 1) will be gagged if the settlement is signed.

Q: does anyone know where the figure of 162% judgement came from? I can only see it in MG's emails, but cannot find it in any court documents? Is this even legal? Is there a court judgement referencing this type of interest?

We are still waiting for Judge Young to decide on interests & costs, so why the rush to settle by giving us an ultimate deadline? Geldert/Strathcona Group are no longer our legal counsel. MG is using the same scare tactics Northmont has used for years. By "thunders and lightning" he is injecting fear in all of us to get as many to sign the bloody settlement.

For those who still believe in the tooth fairy, you are right by following MG's advice, after all, he has demonstrated a formidable way of caring for his clients' interests.

2 cents

Hey Petus@18

This was negotiated for Option 1 takers by Michael when he gave away the farm for everyone in the Settlement Agreement.

It is in Schedule "B" page 30 of the 41 page Settlement Agreement.

It is a figure NM came up with to add as a further punitive judgement measure to ensure anyone paying after the February due date could be immediately penalized further which Michael alone agreed to for Option 1 individuals.

This does not need to be endorsed by the Courts and allows NM to immediately seek restitution on the judgement if an individual is in default.

 

[MgolferL]

Just my opinion after discussing this at length with MG. I view going this route at this point is far less risky than trying to negotiate a better deal with KW that gets me out of our contract. Last March we rolled the dice and continued fighting for what my husband and I believed was right, fair and just. Double or nothing, as it turned out. We pay double because of even more court decisions against our position. I firmly believe KW and NM will not give any of us a better break. Right or wrong, I am not taking any more chances with our limited finances.
Each of us has to come to terms in our own way with this ghastly situation. We each have to live with our decision. I respect anyone who seeks their own path here, no matter how different from mine. After countless sleepless, anxious nights; searching and surfing for hours on end; scouring and analyzing every related document I could find; my husband and I have concluded Option 1 is our best option.

The reply I received from MG about the release...

We will send you the release on the final processing of the account for this file. If you need a soft-copy of it after February 28, 2018, please email us.


Please ensure you have reviewed the Settlement Documents in full to ensure you return what is required to secure your full and final release under this Settlement Agreement. Please also ensure all communications are in reply to an email from our office.

 

[Tanny13]

This is true. Looks like there are a lot of legal issues to be found concerning this issue and some leases can be written such that they are included. However, I still strongly believe ours was not.



When reading the lease in regard to "replacement costs", it is always referenced in respect to the reserve fund for furniture and fixtures, not the whole building. However, looks like this was argued in court, and of course we lost. Hard for me to figure that one out. Bottom line, NEVER sign another contract, and especially those when you are on vacation and on weekends away from lawyers (not that it would have helped).

For all those who corrected me when I indicated that Fairmont went bankrupt because they knew they could not charge these fees, my apologies and thank you. Would it be correct to say that if Fairmont have been given the current court decisions, they would not have needed to pursue bankruptcy because they could have charged the renovation fee, or anything they want, and clearly paid any/all liabilities?

This brings me to the situation at hand today and maybe hinted to above. Many of us are now committed to pay a huge sum of money by court order and/or the workings of our lawyer. I suspect the rest will soon will be committed to paying extreme sums of money. It is my understanding this money was specifically billed (as presented to the court) for the renovation of the resort and would therefore be committed to stay at the resort for this purpose. Is this not true? If so, what happens if it is not used for renovation, would that be illegal and a criminal case to be made? With this forced settlement, it is estimated there will be 10's of millions of dollars flowing in. There are other posts speculating this money would flow elsewhere, but I would assume it will need to be accounted for on future audited financial statements, assuming they are made.

Is there any ability to figure out what has happened to what must be 10's of millions of dollars that have already been paid by the people who paid to stay or have settled. This money also, as specifically stated, should have been committed to the renovation/operation of the resort and must be on the current audited financial statements, correct? Can this be figured out, or has someone figured it out? There have been posts indicating much of the resort is still run down and boarded up. Again, if the money was not used for this purpose, would that not be illegal and criminal charges filed? Is a forensic audit required to figure this out? I know our lawyer determined that a forensic audit was not practical for cost reasons, but ironic where we are now. Is it legal for the buildings to be sold and the money pocketed even if the money is spent for operations and renovations, or does that also need to stay with the resort? Anyone with legal or accounting knowledge in this area that can say with confidence?

This is exactly why some of us are needed to stay! We will then have access to statements, etc. and have the option to do the audit that should have been done years ago. There seem to be many issues still outstanding that have not been brought before the courts.

 

[NotWhatIPaidFor]

We can't forget that MG told us that our contracts, and their individuality, would be protected from the JEKE test case, even though cox-taylor told the judges prior to court that we wouldn't be arguing the different contracts in the future. As someone said, that was probably the nail in the coffin right there and if MG had told us that his promise was broken and explained the consequences to our case and risk many of us would have stopped the case right there and not been hit with these massive costs.

 

[FairSun]

Did you get anything in writing from Geldert or was this just over the phone so that he can deny saying any of this to you?

Yes, I have written responses to two emails with several questions each that I sent MG.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

This is true. Looks like there are a lot of legal issues to be found concerning this issue and some leases can be written such that they are included. However, I still strongly believe ours was not.



When reading the lease in regard to "replacement costs", it is always referenced in respect to the reserve fund for furniture and fixtures, not the whole building. However, looks like this was argued in court, and of course we lost. Hard for me to figure that one out. Bottom line, NEVER sign another contract, and especially those when you are on vacation and on weekends away from lawyers (not that it would have helped).

For all those who corrected me when I indicated that Fairmont went bankrupt because they knew they could not charge these fees, my apologies and thank you. Would it be correct to say that if Fairmont have been given the current court decisions, they would not have needed to pursue bankruptcy because they could have charged the renovation fee, or anything they want, and clearly paid any/all liabilities?

This brings me to the situation at hand today and maybe hinted to above. Many of us are now committed to pay a huge sum of money by court order and/or the workings of our lawyer. I suspect the rest will soon will be committed to paying extreme sums of money. It is my understanding this money was specifically billed (as presented to the court) for the renovation of the resort and would therefore be committed to stay at the resort for this purpose. Is this not true? If so, what happens if it is not used for renovation, would that be illegal and a criminal case to be made? With this forced settlement, it is estimated there will be 10's of millions of dollars flowing in. There are other posts speculating this money would flow elsewhere, but I would assume it will need to be accounted for on future audited financial statements, assuming they are made.

Is there any ability to figure out what has happened to what must be 10's of millions of dollars that have already been paid by the people who paid to stay or have settled. This money also, as specifically stated, should have been committed to the renovation/operation of the resort and must be on the current audited financial statements, correct? Can this be figured out, or has someone figured it out? There have been posts indicating much of the resort is still run down and boarded up. Again, if the money was not used for this purpose, would that not be illegal and criminal charges filed? Is a forensic audit required to figure this out? I know our lawyer determined that a forensic audit was not practical for cost reasons, but ironic where we are now. Is it legal for the buildings to be sold and the money pocketed even if the money is spent for operations and renovations, or does that also need to stay with the resort? Anyone with legal or accounting knowledge in this area that can say with confidence?

Hey NeverNeverAgain

As much as the people who remained at the resort would like to see a $40,000,000+ injection they will probable see none of it and are liable to have to contribute again down the road.

Existing timeshare people in good standing have been paying the legal fees through their maintenance fees so that expense is covered and the resort is scaling back to a 1/3 it's size and money to do those renovations has already been collected with the people that paid to stay so that should be covered so no major variances will occur on the Resort Villa Management books.

Your Interest, RPF costs, and yearly Maintenance Fees on your statement is not what is being collected by NM - we are selling our Timeshare Lease liability back to Northmont the same way it was done back in 2013 by the people who settled then.

That money did not go back into the resort and neither does this money have to go back into the resort.

The cost to sell it back was leveraged and determined by the amount due in your annual statement as an easy way for us to relate to starting point with NM but means nothing to the resort itself.

This is not going to be seen or endorsed by the Courts to ensure the invoice covers your overdue invoice with Resort Villa Management as it is an amical negotiation between NM and yourself to reach an agreement to settle a dispute where they now have bought your lease.

There is an underlying corporate shell game that will allow this to occur - we had better bet the Michael has ensured that the debt on the Resort Villa Management books is expunged by NM as part of the shell game as it potentially could be sold to a creditor like Sauvageau & Associates to pursue the outstanding debt.

I only see a release of my Timeshare Lease to NM in the Settlement Agreement but nothing as to the relief of the debt with Resort Villa Management for the delinquent account itself - I cannot afford to assume this is all taken care of and definitely cannot afford to pay double!!

The Minutes of the agreement are incomplete and there is nothing to say I am relinquishing my timeshare to cover the existing debt - all I see is a release of future debt related to still owning the timeshare.

 

[NotWhatIPaidFor]

Ultimate_Betrayal is bang on. The way this payment is being handled is concerning and we all know what happened last time MG told us to "trust him". He's a lawyer, we shouldn't have to "trust him", it should be handled properly with our safety absolutely guaranteed. Do what Ultimate_Betrayal said and make those calls. The insurance company cares about their liability.

 

[Petus@18]

Hey Petus@18

This was negotiated for Option 1 takers by Michael when he gave away the farm for everyone in the Settlement Agreement.

It is in Schedule "B" page 30 or the 41 page Settlement Agreement.

It is a figure NM came up with to add as a further punitive judgement measure to ensure anyone paying after the February due date could be immediately penalized further which Michael alone agreed to for Option 1 individuals.

This does not need to be endorsed by the Courts and allows NM to immediately seek restitution on the judgement if an individual is in default.

Thanks for letting me know. Sorry, we didn't see the settlement so we were unaware of this further penalty. Do you know what happens now with the individual civil claims? Are they part of the settlement? Will Northmont be discontinuing these claims after you sign? Or, was there ever a court decision that these claims be bundled into the Reid's case? Is your release being certified by a third party? Can you opt out of the settlement now on the basis that you were coerced by MG into signing the SIF? We are all witnesses to that fact and can sign an Affidavit to that effect.

It seems just too easy how MG et al are getting away with this scam!

 

[LilMaggie]

OK...so we lost in court and our lawyer led down the garden path. How can anyone think that it is fair, just or reasonable to charge us almost 7 times the amount we could have paid to get out of NM a mere 5 years ago? Apparently, the interest was accruing the entire time we were in litigation. I still don't remember MG telling me that. I don't recall the "if we lose in court, you are going to lose your shirt" conversation. It appears purely punitive but no one wants to offer any real help. And yes, many of us were duped into signing for an excellent settlement. A settlement that could bankrupt many, but who cares?
Does KW want to take 1000 people to court for this money? Maybe, but he can continue to bilk the current paid up lessees out of their hard earned money and could even charge another restructuring fee...now that he has the courts blessing to do so.

 

[MgolferL]

This is the letter I am sending to the Law Society again

Feel free to copy and paste and/or change it ...but regardless SEND SOMETHING...


January 26, 2017

Law Society of British Columbia

Request for Intervention and Investigation

Northmont Resort Properties v. Brian Golbert and Collette Goldberg
No. S159447, Vancouver Registry (the "Goldbert Action")
Decision of Mr. Justice Branch



I have been a client of Geldert Law through the process of Northmont Resort Properties (aka Sunchaser) seeking and being awarded judgements against some 1400 time share contracts. Unfortunately, as this case has been totally skewed and misrepresented on many levels however, we are now coming down to the final days to having to pay the “settlement” that was “negotiated” by Mr. Geldert. Both are in quotations as the “settlement” was supposed to be approved by the clients that retained Mr. Geldert, to which that never happened, and the “negotiation” was considerably higher that the statement Northmont had issued several weeks prior.

Concerns that I have regarding this include, but are not limited to:

1. ALL clients were told not to pay statements we received. Consequently we never did, nor paid the money in trust. The result of this was that Northmont has charged us interest individually on these accounts at 26% interest. This means that the interest on all statements is more than the base amounts owing.

2. Supplied fragmented, incomplete information throughout the process on the auspices of guarding information from Northmont, however prevented a collective forum of over several hundred clients to discuss our options.

3. Did not allow us to see the "negotiated" agreement and vote on it, and accepted it on our behalf, knowing the financial hardship could incur on many people.

4. Imposed an unrealistic time-frame in which to interpret the potential agreement as this was done over Christmas. People were on vacation, travelling, etc and only had a couple of days in which to respond.

5. Agreed to an unrealistic time-frame to complete agreements.

6. Dropped an ongoing appeal without agreement from the group, and in essence eliminated any negotiating opportunity.

7. Complaints from many clients of no response to pertinent questions has been a common theme.

We are now bound by the agreement we are being forced to pay, or accept additional fees in the amount of 162% as also "negotiated" by Mr. Geldert. Consequently, I will be following the settlement instructions as outlined by Geldert Law because I cannot risk further liability in this matter. I am concerned however that when I submit these funds, that I will actually receive a Release and that the money will be allocated as indicated. Consequently, I would submit that an Intervention by the Law Society to ensure the funds are allocated in the correct manner, and appropriate releases are sent to clients would be warranted and in order to prevent further injustice in this case.


I am aware that you should have received other letters of concern from other clients of Geldert Law that are dealing with the same issues and mistrust of the handling of this matter on our (and their) behalf. I would suggest that an investigation by the Law Society should be held as this entire matter has been a travesty of justice on many levels, and I have retained ALL documentation that can substantiate the above claims and comments.


Thank you.

 

[#deceived]

Excellent! Thank you!

This is the letter I am sending to the Law Society again

Feel free to copy and paste and/or change it ...but regardless SEND SOMETHING...


January 26, 2017

Law Society of British Columbia

Request for Intervention and Investigation

Northmont Resort Properties v. Brian Golbert and Collette Goldberg
No. S159447, Vancouver Registry (the "Goldbert Action")
Decision of Mr. Justice Branch



I have been a client of Geldert Law through the process of Northmont Resort Properties (aka Sunchaser) seeking and being awarded judgements against some 1400 time share contracts. Unfortunately, as this case has been totally skewed and misrepresented on many levels however, we are now coming down to the final days to having to pay the “settlement” that was “negotiated” by Mr. Geldert. Both are in quotations as the “settlement” was supposed to be approved by the clients that retained Mr. Geldert, to which that never happened, and the “negotiation” was considerably higher that the statement Northmont had issued several weeks prior.

Concerns that I have regarding this include, but are not limited to:

1. ALL clients were told not to pay statements we received. Consequently we never did, nor paid the money in trust. The result of this was that Northmont has charged us interest individually on these accounts at 26% interest. This means that the interest on all statements is more than the base amounts owing.

2. Supplied fragmented, incomplete information throughout the process on the auspices of guarding information from Northmont, however prevented a collective forum of over several hundred clients to discuss our options.

3. Did not allow us to see the "negotiated" agreement and vote on it, and accepted it on our behalf, knowing the financial hardship could incur on many people.

4. Imposed an unrealistic time-frame in which to interpret the potential agreement as this was done over Christmas. People were on vacation, travelling, etc and only had a couple of days in which to respond.

5. Agreed to an unrealistic time-frame to complete agreements.

6. Dropped an ongoing appeal without agreement from the group, and in essence eliminated any negotiating opportunity.

7. Complaints from many clients of no response to pertinent questions has been a common theme.

We are now bound by the agreement we are being forced to pay, or accept additional fees in the amount of 162% as also "negotiated" by Mr. Geldert. Consequently, I will be following the settlement instructions as outlined by Geldert Law because I cannot risk further liability in this matter. I am concerned however that when I submit these funds, that I will actually receive a Release and that the money will be allocated as indicated. Consequently, I would submit that an Intervention by the Law Society to ensure the funds are allocated in the correct manner, and appropriate releases are sent to clients would be warranted and in order to prevent further injustice in this case.


I am aware that you should have received other letters of concern from other clients of Geldert Law that are dealing with the same issues and mistrust of the handling of this matter on our (and their) behalf. I would suggest that an investigation by the Law Society should be held as this entire matter has been a travesty of justice on many levels, and I have retained ALL documentation that can substantiate the above claims and comments.

Thank you.

 

[NeverNeverAgain]

As much as the people who remained at the resort would like to see a $40,000,000+ injection they will probable see none of it and are liable to have to contribute again down the road.

Existing timeshare people in good standing have been paying the legal fees through their maintenance fees so that expense is covered and the resort is scaling back to a 1/3 it's size and money to do those renovations has already been collected with the people that paid to stay so that should be covered so no major variances will occur on the Resort Villa Management books.

Your Interest, RPF costs, and yearly Maintenance Fees on your statement is not what is being collected by NM - we are selling our Timeshare Lease liability back to Northmont the same way it was done back in 2013 by the people who settled then.

That money did not go back into the resort and neither does this money have to go back into the resort.

The cost to sell it back was leveraged and determined by the amount due in your annual statement as an easy way for us to relate to starting point with NM but means nothing to the resort itself.

This is not going to be seen or endorsed by the Courts to ensure the invoice covers your overdue invoice with Resort Villa Management as it is an amical negotiation between NM and yourself to reach an agreement to settle a dispute where they now have bought your lease.

There is an underlying corporate shell game that will allow this to occur - we had better bet the Michael has ensured that the debt on the Resort Villa Management books is expunged by NM as part of the shell game as it potentially could be sold to a creditor like Sauvageau & Associates to pursue the outstanding debt.

I only see a release of my Timeshare Lease to NM in the Settlement Agreement but nothing as to the relief of the debt with Resort Villa Management for the delinquent account itself - I cannot afford to assume this is all taken care of and definitely cannot afford to pay double!!

The Minutes of the agreement are incomplete and there is nothing to say I am relinquishing my timeshare to cover the existing debt - all I see is a release of future debt related to still owning the timeshare.

Hello Unltimate_Betrayal,

If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that we are about to be scammed yet again by our lawyer, correct? Do you have third party opinions to support this (that you can mention?) There is no way I can afford to not be out of this and need to know. I have written many, many letters, some replied, most not. Most replies saying there is nothing they can do. It should be noted that there are some positive responses still going, so everyone please continue doing everything you know to do, everyone get involved to the end. What else can be done so we can get away from this?

It sounds like you believe the money we all have paid, and are going to pay, has had and will have no benefit to the resort. It is not required by the courts to be spent on the resort, correct? Wow! So were is the money going and how can it be proved? Again, this must be illegal, but maybe there is still more to be learned by us about our rights. If what you are saying is true, how can any of those who paid to stay not get involved in the fight, as this would seem to be proof positive that NM is not looking for the overall good of the resort. This should invalidate every court decision. It also would imply that those who stayed will, in the future, be in the same situation we are in.