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[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

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Perhaps Spark1 has the right solution and we all report to the RCMP since the government doesn't want to get involved!
Who cares about Service Alberta. I have some choice words for them. Yes every one should file Fraud Report because that is what it is.And it is not these governments freaks money it is ours. That is your right not these government high paid big pension money drain on tax payers business what we do,they are no help they like to load up the crimmals pockets and cramp on hard working Canadians. We are a imbarrassment for how they treated our American Friends and I do not blame them for never wanting to come back to Canada.
 

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That is very interesting that they would give you that information over the phone and good that they did.
I called that same court house on November 20th and was told there was an appeal filed but they could not tell me anymore over the phone I would have to go to the court which I couldn't because I am not in AB anymore.
So I had someone go to the courthouse to request what they call a "Procedure Card"
According to the Procedure Card the appeal was filed on November 15th, 2017. And a transcript of the court proceedings were ordered.
Why have we not received a copy of the transcripts??? It would appear that someone in our "legal" team has them.

Also for the BC people - an appeal was filed and subsequently "squashed" on November 10th, 2017. Not just dismissed but SQUASHED!!
Which means that the transcripts from the Judge Branch hearing should also be with our "legal" team. Has anyone seen those??

Court Transcripts are very expensive and lengthy to reproduce. If someone orders a transcript, the court tapes go to a transcription service and can run to hundreds of pages. A half day of court costs about $300 for transcript to be produced. Imagine what ours would cost that went on for what... a couple of weeks. Would cost about $6,000 per transcript by my calculations. I imagine MG ordered a copy and our fees paid for it. Definitely not something you would copy and send out to everyone.
 

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I understand that transcripts are lengthy and expensive and are usually only ordered when filing an appeal.
But two appeals have been filed - the one in BC squashed and the one in AB unknown as to the status so the transcripts should have been ordered and the clients paid for them so they are entitled to have them. Just like we were entitled to have the ones from the JEKE trial in BC which was the lengthy trial and some of us did receive them although we had to request them. Once our lawyer has them they don't have to copy them just email them in the form they come in which the ones I have came in PDF form.

The AB hearings were three (3) days not a couple of weeks.
 

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Who cares about Service Alberta. I have some choice words for them. Yes every one should file Fraud Report because that is what it is.And it is not these governments freaks money it is ours. That is your right not these government high paid big pension money drain on tax payers business what we do,they are no help they like to load up the crimmals pockets and cramp on hard working Canadians. We are a imbarrassment for how they treated our American Friends and I do not blame them for never wanting to come back to Canada.
Just for the record as an American I don’t hold any of this against your great country or any of you. You all are what make Canada a great country!! I’m proud to call you all my neighbors to the north. I’ve felt like you’ve had my back during this and I thank you from the bottom of my red white and blue heart! Let’s keep swinging. It ain’t over till it’s over!
 

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Just for the record as an American I don’t hold any of this against your great country or any of you. You all are what make Canada a great country!! I’m proud to call you all my neighbors to the north. I’ve felt like you’ve had my back during this and I thank you from the bottom of my red white and blue heart! Let’s keep swinging. It ain’t over till it’s over!
Unfortunately White Collar criminals know no boundaries.
 

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Court Transcripts are very expensive and lengthy to reproduce. If someone orders a transcript, the court tapes go to a transcription service and can run to hundreds of pages. A half day of court costs about $300 for transcript to be produced. Imagine what ours would cost that went on for what... a couple of weeks. Would cost about $6,000 per transcript by my calculations. I imagine MG ordered a copy and our fees paid for it. Definitely not something you would copy and send out to everyone.
Would be easy to have MG staff scan and send everyone a pdf copy.
 

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Would be easy to have MG staff scan and send everyone a pdf copy.
At what point in time is there negligence on the part of a lawyer...not sharing information with clients and/or causing financial damages, not returning phone calls or emails, firing clients for no reason? Does any of this sound familiar?
 

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It sure seems like everyone is working against us so anything is a possibility!

I looked it up yesterday and 1 appeal was lost in BC and 1 was lost in AB. It seems as though there may be a third appeal from the previous posts - not sure. All of these appeals have been quashed because they are based on the test JEKE case which was horribly represented by our side. I don't see that this third appeal would have any impact unless they go about it in another direction, if that's even a possibility. I was foolishly under the impression that this was a class action lawsuit but from what I can comprehend reading all the legal wording, it's not the case. The Judge even suggested something along those lines and Geldert declined - unbelievable!!! This is my interpretation - I may be wrong. I think, as stated many times before, the only hope lies with Judge Young.

You can look up the cases here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/index.html , use "Northmont" as your search.
 

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It sure seems like everyone is working against us so anything is a possibility!

I looked it up yesterday and 1 appeal was lost in BC and 1 was lost in AB. It seems as though there may be a third appeal from the previous posts - not sure. All of these appeals have been quashed because they are based on the test JEKE case which was horribly represented by our side. I don't see that this third appeal would have any impact unless they go about it in another direction, if that's even a possibility. I was foolishly under the impression that this was a class action lawsuit but from what I can comprehend reading all the legal wording, it's not the case. The Judge even suggested something along those lines and Geldert declined - unbelievable!!! This is my interpretation - I may be wrong. I think, as stated many times before, the only hope lies with Judge Young.

You can look up the cases here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/index.html , use "Northmont" as your search.

If I recall correctly, MG sent out a communication back in around Sept/Oct 2017 that said they where considering having Higgerty Law with their Class Action Lawyer Clint Docken out of Calgary partner with them. I contacted Higgerty Law and they said they have not heard from MG in months. I also asked if Higgerty Law would consider helping me and the other people left in a lurch by MG and they said they can not as MG approached them first and the request would have to come from MG!
 

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It sure seems like everyone is working against us so anything is a possibility!

I looked it up yesterday and 1 appeal was lost in BC and 1 was lost in AB. It seems as though there may be a third appeal from the previous posts - not sure. All of these appeals have been quashed because they are based on the test JEKE case which was horribly represented by our side. I don't see that this third appeal would have any impact unless they go about it in another direction, if that's even a possibility. I was foolishly under the impression that this was a class action lawsuit but from what I can comprehend reading all the legal wording, it's not the case. The Judge even suggested something along those lines and Geldert declined - unbelievable!!! This is my interpretation - I may be wrong. I think, as stated many times before, the only hope lies with Judge Young.

You can look up the cases here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/index.html , use "Northmont" as your search.
We could push it to the supreme court but everyone needs to be on board for that to happen, and new legal counsel as well.
 

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All BC lawyers in private practice carry professional liability insurance for negligence.

If you believe you have a claim for negligence, you should notify your lawyer without delay about your claim. You may also want to seek independent legal advice.
Just saying...
 

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Well, I did phone these guys ~2 years ago, and I was told, they were not interested in the case that was in the courts. Now, this guy Chris is telling just to the contrary.
It is worth trying.
 

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We asked Geldert for a copy of the court transcript. (So we could see in writing how we were represented).
His office replied (not him) that he will only reply to emails that HE has sent out already. No new questions.

Of course not.
 

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We asked Geldert for a copy of the court transcript. (So we could see in writing how we were represented).
His office replied (not him) that he will only reply to emails that HE has sent out already. No new questions.

Of course not.
If you want a copy, please send me a private message in the conversation section here and I will provide you with a copy.
 
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I do not appreciate having to pay additional maintenance fees to cover for those who are in arears and to possibly pay for some of the legal costs associated with litigation process. Nor do I appreciate and do not agree with the litigants group opposition to the realignment of the resort, this is being obstructionist and mischievous.

The rude and personal remarks do not make your plight any easier to resolve. The matter is legal and factual and will be resolved by Judge Young.

"...legal and factual..." Sorry, you've been inconvenienced by the Geldert Group seeking a legal affirmation of their Lease Agreement. But this is Canada and while justice doesn't always prevail, we do retain the right to seek resolution of commercial disputes through the courts of law.

Northmont won their BC Court case because they were lucky. They couldn't have imagined that Michael Geldert would swing and miss at the capital cost / operating cost issue in court (Jeke, 262-265). Actually, He didn't even swing. He stood in the dugout watching, oblivious to what was of fundamental importance. Michael Geldert doesn't understand the 'inside baseball' of litigation. From the transcripts, it appears he failed even to notice the Judge pointing to where he should take his case. Failing to establish that the lease agreements restrict the expenses to be covered by Maintenance Fees to: repairs, maintenance and other 'operating costs' necessary to execute ONLY the annual operation of the property (remember its a property, #NAFR) as validated by past operating practice was, in my opinion, complete incompetence. Not to mention failing to pursue other aspects of the CCAA, Northmont's disregard for Judge Loo's directions, and failing to establish how the RPF was not a commercially viable solution to Fairmont's problems.

When I bought in 1999, not a single Director of Fairmont, not a manager for Fairmont, not a sale person for Fairmont and certainly not a lessee imagined the contract would be interpreted to allow for lessees to pay for repairs and renovations that cost into the tens of millions and spanned multiple years to complete. Not a one.

What we have here is some Wonk, ignoring the cooperative spirit of the lease, parsed it down to fragments of clauses, seized upon and exploited the Lease's vague wording. All this came years after it was written and, despite years of operation wherein the cooperative spirit, two parties working toward a common goal, of the lease and the operation of the property (#NAFR) were aligned.

I'll tell you what is not factual. The whole darn thing. The statements of claim, from $20,000 to $100,000 payable to Northmont, are not compensating Northmont for money they could have earned. It's not compensating Northmont for money they were forced to spend. The statements are mostly interest charges. Some of that interest is based on a trumped-up estimate of work that in its entirety never was intended to be and will never be completed. Besides interest on a project that was never to be completed, there is the arbitrary exit fee. The actual Maintenance Fee is a small part. Northmont is getting their money for nothing.

Know what else is factual? Its a fact Northmont failed to do as they committed to do while negotiating under the Companies' Creditor Arrangement Act.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to establish a lessees association as they were instructed to and committed to doing while negotiating under the CCAA and, again by Judge Loo.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to pay their share of Maintenance Fees as directed by Judge Loo. Not just for one year, but all years.

Know what else is factual? Most of this money will not go to the benefit of the property (#NAFR). That's right Judge Loo; it will only line the pockets of Developers. It will go to Wankel and Sunchaser in Barbados. I mean, "IF NOT THEM THEN WHO?", am I right?

If Northmont were truly in the resort business they would drastically lower the statements of claim to levels that are reasonable and that people can afford to pay and, they would work to rebuilding the public's trust of and confidence in timeshare developers. The second they closed their sales department their motives were obvious. The second they charged people to leave their motives were obvious. Seriously, what is to be gained by a corporation (its just Wankel I know but a corporation nonetheless) invoicing people for amounts of money they know they will never collect anyway? Why? What is to be gained by ruining these lives? What kind of person wants this on their conscience? And, Judge Young, are you really going to let this gross misconduct, this gross abuse of the judicial system, to happen in your courtroom?

This is a final act. Wankel will go away and Northmont will go away. Having perpetrated this heinous injustice they do not have the moral Freedom to Choose to Stay. They have to leave the Columbia Valley, Western Canada, the entire Country most likely. This is a naked, unabashed covetous craven cash grab, that signals what's to come next for the TSWOWs. I can hear the call now: "Hello this is Diamond Resorts." "Hello, this is Kirk Wankel, have I got a deal for you, ..."

Unfortunately for all of us, TSWOW included, that appears "legal and factual."

#NAFR
 
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"...legal and factual..." Sorry, you've been inconvenienced by the Geldert Group seeking a legal affirmation of their Lease Agreement. But this is Canada and while justice doesn't always prevail, we do retain the right to seek resolution of commercial disputes through the courts of law.

Northmont won their BC Court case because they were lucky. They couldn't have imagined that Michael Geldert would swing and miss at the capital cost / operating cost issue in court (Jeke, 262-265). Actually, He didn't even swing. He stood in the dugout watching, oblivious to what was of fundamental importance. Michael Geldert doesn't understand the 'inside baseball' of litigation. From the transcripts, it appears he failed even to notice the Judge pointing to where he should take his case. Failing to establish that the lease agreements restrict the expenses to be covered by Maintenance Fees to: repairs, maintenance and other 'operating costs' necessary to execute ONLY the annual operation of the property (remember its a property, #NAFR) as validated by past operating practice was, in my opinion, complete incompetence. Not to mention failing to pursue other aspects of the CCAA, Northmont's disregard for Judge Loo's directions, and failing to establish how the RFP was not a commercially viable solution to Fairmont's problems.

When I bought in 1997, not a single Director of Fairmont, not a manager for Fairmont, not a sale person for Fairmont and certainly not a lessee imagined the contract would be interpreted to allow for lessees to pay for repairs and renovations that cost into the tens of millions and spanned multiple years to complete. Not a one.

What we have here is some Wonk, ignoring the cooperative spirit of the lease, parsed it down to fragments of clauses, seized upon and exploited the Lease's vague wording. All this came years after it was written and, despite years of operation wherein the cooperative spirit, two parties working toward a common goal, of the lease and the operation of the property (#NAFR) were aligned.

I'll tell you what is not factual. The whole darn thing. The statements of claim, from $20,000 to $100,00 payable to Northmont, are not compensating Northmont for money they could have earned. It's not compensating Northmont for money they were forced to spend. The statements are mostly interest charges. Some of that interest is based on a trumped-up estimate of work that in its entirety never was intended to be and will never be completed. Besides interest on a project that was never to be completed, there is the arbitrary exit fee. The actual Maintenance Fee is a small part. Northmont is getting their money for nothing.

Know what else is factual? Its a fact Northmont failed to do as they committed to do while negotiating under the Companies' Creditor Arrangement Act.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to establish a lessees association as they were instructed to and committed to doing while negotiating under the CCAA and, again by Judge Loo.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to pay their share of Maintenance Fees as directed by Judge Loney Loo. Not just for one year, but all years.

Know what else is factual? Most of this money will not go to the benefit of the property (#NAFR). That's right Judge Loo; it will only line the pockets of Developers. It will go to Wankel and Sunchaser in Barbados. I mean, "IF NOT THEM THEN WHO?", am I right?

If Northmont were truly in the resort business they would drastically lower the statements of claim to levels that are reasonable and that people can afford to pay and, they would work to rebuilding the public's trust of and confidence in timeshare developers. The second they closed their sales department their motives were obvious. The second they charged people to leave their motives were obvious. Seriously, what is to be gained by a corporation (its just Wankel I know but a corporation nonetheless) invoicing people for amounts of money they know they will never collect anyway? Why? What is to be gained by ruining these lives? What kind of person wants this on their conscience? And, Judge Young, are you really going to let this gross misconduct, this gross abuse of the judicial system, to happen in your courtroom?

This is a final act. Wankel will go away and Northmont will go away. Having perpetrated this heinous injustice they do not have the moral Freedom to Choose to Stay. They have to leave the Columbia Valley, Western Canada, the entire Country most likely. This is a naked, unabashed covetous craven cash grab, that signals what's to come next for the TSWOWs. I can hear the call now: "Hello Diamond Resorts." "Hello, this is Kirk Wankel, have I got a deal for you, ..."

Unfortunately for all of us, TSWOW included, that appears "legal and factual."

#NAFR
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: WELL SAID!!!:wave:
 

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:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: WELL SAID!!!:wave:
"...legal and factual..." Sorry, you've been inconvenienced by the Geldert Group seeking a legal affirmation of their Lease Agreement. But this is Canada and while justice doesn't always prevail, we do retain the right to seek resolution of commercial disputes through the courts of law.

Northmont won their BC Court case because they were lucky. They couldn't have imagined that Michael Geldert would swing and miss at the capital cost / operating cost issue in court (Jeke, 262-265). Actually, He didn't even swing. He stood in the dugout watching, oblivious to what was of fundamental importance. Michael Geldert doesn't understand the 'inside baseball' of litigation. From the transcripts, it appears he failed even to notice the Judge pointing to where he should take his case. Failing to establish that the lease agreements restrict the expenses to be covered by Maintenance Fees to: repairs, maintenance and other 'operating costs' necessary to execute ONLY the annual operation of the property (remember its a property, #NAFR) as validated by past operating practice was, in my opinion, complete incompetence. Not to mention failing to pursue other aspects of the CCAA, Northmont's disregard for Judge Loo's directions, and failing to establish how the RFP was not a commercially viable solution to Fairmont's problems.

When I bought in 1997, not a single Director of Fairmont, not a manager for Fairmont, not a sale person for Fairmont and certainly not a lessee imagined the contract would be interpreted to allow for lessees to pay for repairs and renovations that cost into the tens of millions and spanned multiple years to complete. Not a one.

What we have here is some Wonk, ignoring the cooperative spirit of the lease, parsed it down to fragments of clauses, seized upon and exploited the Lease's vague wording. All this came years after it was written and, despite years of operation wherein the cooperative spirit, two parties working toward a common goal, of the lease and the operation of the property (#NAFR) were aligned.

I'll tell you what is not factual. The whole darn thing. The statements of claim, from $20,000 to $100,00 payable to Northmont, are not compensating Northmont for money they could have earned. It's not compensating Northmont for money they were forced to spend. The statements are mostly interest charges. Some of that interest is based on a trumped-up estimate of work that in its entirety never was intended to be and will never be completed. Besides interest on a project that was never to be completed, there is the arbitrary exit fee. The actual Maintenance Fee is a small part. Northmont is getting their money for nothing.

Know what else is factual? Its a fact Northmont failed to do as they committed to do while negotiating under the Companies' Creditor Arrangement Act.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to establish a lessees association as they were instructed to and committed to doing while negotiating under the CCAA and, again by Judge Loo.

Know what else is factual? Northmont failed to pay their share of Maintenance Fees as directed by Judge Loney Loo. Not just for one year, but all years.

Know what else is factual? Most of this money will not go to the benefit of the property (#NAFR). That's right Judge Loo; it will only line the pockets of Developers. It will go to Wankel and Sunchaser in Barbados. I mean, "IF NOT THEM THEN WHO?", am I right?

If Northmont were truly in the resort business they would drastically lower the statements of claim to levels that are reasonable and that people can afford to pay and, they would work to rebuilding the public's trust of and confidence in timeshare developers. The second they closed their sales department their motives were obvious. The second they charged people to leave their motives were obvious. Seriously, what is to be gained by a corporation (its just Wankel I know but a corporation nonetheless) invoicing people for amounts of money they know they will never collect anyway? Why? What is to be gained by ruining these lives? What kind of person wants this on their conscience? And, Judge Young, are you really going to let this gross misconduct, this gross abuse of the judicial system, to happen in your courtroom?

This is a final act. Wankel will go away and Northmont will go away. Having perpetrated this heinous injustice they do not have the moral Freedom to Choose to Stay. They have to leave the Columbia Valley, Western Canada, the entire Country most likely. This is a naked, unabashed covetous craven cash grab, that signals what's to come next for the TSWOWs. I can hear the call now: "Hello Diamond Resorts." "Hello, this is Kirk Wankel, have I got a deal for you, ..."

Unfortunately for all of us, TSWOW included, that appears "legal and factual."

#NAFR

THANKYOU!
 
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