[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[CleoB]

Bringing this forward

Adding the Minister of Seniors and Housing in Alberta
Honourable Lori Sigurdson
edmonton.riverview@assembly.ab.ca

 

[MarcieL]

One must have all the facts and be ready to go on record with any media sources. One explained they were instructed not to entertain anymore Timeshare stories!

 

[CleoB]

Yes they did win due to lies deceit and misrepresentation. No the question is not how much money yet.....its who have you forgotten to report this to? I'm not going to roll over and die giving up my hard earned money to the biggest scam in Canadian History, until I have turned ever stone to find that one rock beneath, that will stand up for our rights and put a stop to this. I'm trying to stay positive in the worst circumstances, and I believe there is someone out there that can do something......As a group we are all over the place just the way they wanted us to be.... so we have to stay focused and continue fighting this battle. I just wrote another letter and I'm emailing them now.... 100 emails x 1300 people = 13,000.00 people who will hear our story. Stay focused......fight till the end.

The lies, deceit and misrepresentation that did us the most harm came from Geldert himself.

 

[Bewildered]

One must have all the facts and be ready to go on record with any media sources. One explained they were instructed not to entertain anymore Timeshare stories!

How about seeing one timeshare story, haven’t seen one yet on Fairmont, how deep does this coverup run?

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

I am not making any public conclusions or judgments on the legal counsel they are entering into an agreement with other than maybe this has something to do with wrapping up our groups litigation ASAP but I will let you make your own conclusion:

https://www.citheownersgroup.org/jra-info

https://gwynethedwards.com/ci/

 

[Scammed!]

One must have all the facts and be ready to go on record with any media sources. One explained they were instructed not to entertain anymore Timeshare stories!

Corruption!

 

[MgolferL]

I am not making any public conclusions or judgments on the legal counsel they are entering into an agreement with other than maybe this has something to do with wrapping up our groups litigation ASAP but I will let you make your own conclusion:

https://www.citheownersgroup.org/jra-info

https://gwynethedwards.com/ci/

....CIOG Volunteers surveyed many lawyers and identified Geldert Law, located in Vancouver, as a good fit for CI/Embarc members. Geldert Law has a proven track record of experience and passion for consumer protection related to timeshares....record is pretty short not sure about the passion part...that train has left our station.....

 

[Been Around Awhile]

Just trying to wrap my head around why the dollar amounts being mentioned are so high. Now I am scratching my head on what outcome MG promised to secure. I understand from the JEKE filing that JEKE wanted to invalidate the contract and walk away.

But is that true of everyone? No one wanted to stay and just wanted to stop the realignment?

Also what has been going on at the resort during all this mess? Has NM started the refurbishments?

YES. It is pretty much true of everyone. They wanted to invalidate their contract and walk away. A significant number, something north of 40%, is reputed to have paid to walk away. An injunction by Justice Clarkson in Alberta Provincial Court forced Northmont to allow VIAs to use the property if, they had paid their m/f but not their RPF. Few knew of this decision. Thanks, Mr. G. There were those who were still paying for their purchase, and they felt if they ever wanted annual vacations, they had no choice but to stay with the property. I do not know of one person who said, “…be a darn fool to walk away from all this.” I could go on, but then I would just be repeating someone else on this board, ITS NOT A RESORT: Plastic patio furniture, cheap BBQs, poor and undersized common facilities, poor service, poor maintenance, poor cleaning, poor utensils, poor disposables in the units, bathroom tissue, soap, detergent, etc. On its best day, I would give it 3-stars. On average, I would give it 2-stars. Please remember, they promised a 5-star resort. As a trade on Interval International, it became virtually worthless.

Justice Loo, in the JEKE trial, did make mistakes. A better legal argument would have helped her see clearly. First, the failure to establish an owners association was a material breach. It was material because at the CCAA proceedings, Bankruptcy here in Canada, they directly lied saying that the VIA holders were in favor of the Renovation Plan. They weren't. They didn't even know about the proceedings. They didn't know the Property was in bankruptcy. At least three times owners were thwarted in their attempts to form an owners association. This was contrary to Northmont's contractual obligations. And, why didn't the VIAs know about the bankruptcy proceedings? No, owners association.

If you read the VIA, it does not contemplate a multi-year renovation project as part of the maintenance fees. Nowhere in the listing of what could be included as maintenance fees is there anything that could be construed as or is anywhere near similar in context to a $40-miliion multi-year renovation. Because it is not specifically excluded does not mean it is included within the scope of the agreement.

The illest informed utterance I have ever heard from a judge is, "If not the VIA holders then who is going to pay for the Renovation.?" Oh, I don't know, how about the party that built it originally? The party that pocketed the original purchase payments? The party that pocketed $20-million people paid to leave?

This is a scheme or a scam. It purports to be one thing but is actually something different. It operates on a different mechanism but is exactly as deceiving as a Ponzi scheme. Costa Maya, Rancho Banderas, Mahaka in Hawaii, Vegas, Lake Okanagan, House Boats, Fairmont Vacation Villas, all bankrupt or extremely distressed demonstrably prove that these people are not in the business of operating vacation resorts.

They convinced the Bankruptcy Court to support the Renovation Plan by saying they were going to ramp-up marketing. Instead, they closed sales. That alone indicates they aren't in the resort business. What did they say was their most valuable asset? Selling Cancelations. If closing sales didn't say they aren't in the resort business, monetizing cancelations sure does.

 

[Been Around Awhile]

What was MG's advice on paying your m/f - dues during the period the legal action was running?

In written correspondence, MG’s advice was to NOT pay the m/f.

 

[Scammed!]

I'm exhausted, but I am not alone! We are all together fighting for our lives, and what I didn't say you did, and what you didn't say I did. We have a MASTERPIECE OF A LETTER out there in the public eye! Great job everyone! Don't stop, stay focused, keep writing, keep emailing...stay positive. WE DEMAND OUR ROCK TO STEP FORWARD, AND PROTECT OUR RIGHTS!

 

[Bewildered]

Just spoke to consumer protection in Alberta, a forensic audit was done and results were passed on to the RCMP long ago. He says they have no other jurisdiction. Looks like the RCMP have also let us down as they obviously have done nothing with this fraud.

 

[Lostmyshirt]

Unbelievable! Thats a pretty glaring error on counsels part. IF we could have used our time by paying our MF's we would have instead of let this stupid outrageous interest upon interest pile up, as per his direction!! We tried through Northmont and were told if the RPF not paid that we could not use our time. So if we can't use why in the hell would we want to pay for it. Something is dreadfully wrong here, none of this should have taken so many years, the contracts are different, I am a LEASEE only.....not a freaking owner. I may have to go, but I don't plan on going quietly. I have sent out over 100 letters myself. Somebody has to hold all these people accountable. I cannot believe we have been made prisoner to this garbage. Its like Hotel California.........You can never truly leave and they keep milking you for all the money they can get. I wonder if the original pay to stay are happy with whats left of it, most of its boarded up looks like a ghost town. What an embarassment for the town of Fairmont too. Couldn't pay me to ever step foot there again.

 

[Bewildered]

Have talked to David Eby’s office, you need to send your emails to his Attorney Generals Office at AG.minister@gov.bc.ca
The aide at the attorney generals office told me first he’s heard of it? Come on people no traction unless we start acting.
Talked to some at Justice Minister Ganleys office, they have definitely been getting calls/emails and are preparing a response. Let your voice be heard, forget about continuing to discuss on this site the past injustices we have been dealt.
But I will say be prepared for the “nothing we can do because it went through the courts”, my response is the courts have basically refused to rule on the interest and release fee so don’t buy that argument and Justice Young did all of us a disservice by leaving that situation unresolved and telling everybody to play nice.

 

[Bewildered]

Have talked to David Eby’s office, you need to send your emails to his Attorney Generals Office at AG.minister@gov.bc.ca
The aide at the attorney generals office told me first he’s heard of it? Come on people no traction unless we start acting.
Talked to some at Justice Minister Ganleys office, they have definitely been getting calls/emails and are preparing a response. Let your voice be heard, forget about continuing to discuss on this site the past injustices we have been dealt.
But I will say be prepared for the “nothing we can do because it went through the courts”, my response is the courts have basically refused to rule on the interest and release fee so don’t buy that argument and Justice Young did all of us a disservice by leaving that situation unresolved and telling everybody to play nice.

Sorry email above doesn’t seem to work for Attorney General Eby try
david.eby.MLA@leg.bc.ca

 

[Scammed!]

JAG.Minister@gov.bc.ca I received this from the Honourable Prime Minster Trudeau's office today. SEND SEND SEND!

 

[NotWhatIPaidFor]

Good to see so much going on. Keep working. We need to get feedback from Justice Young on the fact that here instructions weren't followed and we're being coerced.

 

[NotWhatIPaidFor]

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[NotWhatIPaidFor]

Just to comment on MG. I couldn't believe what he was asking with this settlement, ie. for all of us to be bound. There were so many concerns before but his insistence that we trust him, ie. here's a lawyer that has been paid for years and then instead of protection for us he wants us to just quickly give him a blank cheque.

The Petition to contest reallignment....there was no reason to cancel that and that was completely against his client's instructions and his agreement.

As far as I see it, we should work with the county/board and demand the petition be re-instated as our lawyer breached our trust and went against our instructions.

 

[NotWhatIPaidFor]

As far as media, much more than the cbc needs to be contacted. global news in Calgary and elsewhere. CTV.
It's very unusual that such a large financial issue isn't being reported on. We need more than the cbc.

Also, didn't someone say they were contacting the mayor of Calgary?

 

[Sheeptoslaughter]

Look up calgarys ctv article on the timeshare so skewed its not even funny 7000???undecided?? Would that be northmonts 7000 they own???

 

[aden2]

I had a call from Service Alberta today, as a result of letter writing. The reply being it was a Civil Matter, and why in the beginning wasn't the matter dealt with the FTA. The act had been violated and what was wrong with your lawyer?

 

[Palms to pines]

Oh man. I have just been reading some of the MG updates to us. On 2015 now. Unbelievable how he strung us along! Played us like a violin.

 

[torqued]

Do you really think NW is going to look at all of us who can’t afford the ransom on an individual basis and determine what we can pay. No way in hell am I sending them them a list of my assets and bank statements. This would have to be performed by a neutral third party or the courts. There must be some sort of process for this but highly doubt it will be utilized by them. Of course that’s if I decide to give them anything at all.

 

[melamike]

Oh man. I have just been reading some of the MG updates to us. On 2015 now. Unbelievable how he strung us along! Played us like a violin.

Does anybody know how MG got involved with this case in the first place? ( the more embarrassing question is how did we get involved with him). Sometimes I think this was all a set up for him to rake in tons of money - perhaps he's on Northmont's Christmas list.....

 

[Petus@18]

JAG.Minister@gov.bc.ca I received this from the Honourable Prime Minster Trudeau's office today. SEND SEND SEND!

What did the PM said in his reply?