[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[Palms to pines]

L for L was a cash grab and fraudulent at that. I think I can safely say that no one in the two presentations we went to thought they were buying a piece of a building so that we could pay to renovate it until the end of time. I think that would have to have been mentioned. No, it was strictly to convert to RCI points because most companies were changing to points and you could leave your timeshare to your heirs. We were told what great shape Fairmont was in, how high demand was , finances were great. Thing is, we were happy with our timeshare for twelve years by this point, so all the papers we signed were Fairmont letter head , nothing to make us suspicious. However, what we signed was not a new contract, just an add on . We got one week of vacation with our points in RCI. After that we had to go through Sunchaser and of course we were delinquents, so no booking for us . Then we paid another150.00 to keep the points we had in RCI one more year, booked San Diego, family emergency came up, had to cancel. Sooo, after paying out another $5,600.00 we got one week vacation in California. mG dangled the whole ownership thing a while ago and I wrote a letter like he said to, went nowhere of course. But, your mention of this made me think: I will write a letter now to Interval and RCI.

 

[CleoB]

Thanks... but having stuck my opinion in where it obviously is not wanted, I’ll pass. And just for clarity, that was my personal opinion and has nothing to do with my moderator role.

Thanks and I understand your position.

 

[torqued]

Looks like we are untouchable as far as other attorneys helping us at this point. The two I have contacted said they could not help me. I bought this when I lived in montana now live back east. I wrote the montana senators and Virginia senator and representatives. The senator said it’s a legal matter I can’t help you. Have not heard back from the montana politicians. The interest rate is ridiculous and is what I refuse to pay.

 

[aden2]

I have not used the timeshare since 2012, but I am charge a yearly fee of more than $1000. plus %26.82 interest. I wrote a demand note to Northmont in 2013 demanding release from timeshare because I was scammed in 2009-10.
during those years Fairmont became insolvent and we did not become aware of it till 2013. I have spent $29,529.50 and Have used this timeshare only about five times (5 weeks) total. Just rece'd a bill dated for Dec.30, 2017 requesting $18,973.50.
We are not using this place since 2012. The stress and harassement for our family is terrible. If I do not pay total by Feburary 15, 2017 I will be charged 162% of total! How can we be charged for a place that we do not use and requested cancellation in 2013 when we were paid up. I want to fill out a notice of appeal once I receive the judgement from the Court. I will not submit to personal information to NW.
We are seniors, all our money will be gone!

 

[heydynagirl]

I could care less about fairfield's bankruptcy. This is our money not his and if I [bleep] want to send North mont a bill I damwell will,that is my business and I do not have to have your permission

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Moderator ecwinch - emotions are running high with the debacle. While someone is obviously overwrought (as we all are), please continue to provide your comments.

 

[heydynagirl]

Thanks... but having stuck my opinion in where it obviously is not wanted, I’ll pass. And just for clarity, that was my personal opinion and has nothing to do with my moderator role.

Emotions are running high regarding this topic. Please continue to add your comments, despite others comments.

 

[Palms to pines]

Just wrote letters to Interval International and RCI timeshare exchanges. Thought they might be interested to know that if timeshares ever had a sketchy reputation before, it is about to get a whole lot worse because of exhorbanant fees and loan shark interest rates to end up with nothing.

 

[Spark1]

I have not used the timeshare since 2012, but I am charge a yearly fee of more than $1000. plus %26.82 interest. I wrote a demand note to Northmont in 2013 demanding release from timeshare because I was scammed in 2009-10.
during those years Fairmont became insolvent and we did not become aware of it till 2013. I have spent $29,529.50 and Have used this timeshare only about five times (5 weeks) total. Just rece'd a bill dated for Dec.30, 2017 requesting $18,973.50.
We are not using this place since 2012. The stress and harassement for our family is terrible. If I do not pay total by Feburary 15, 2017 I will be charged 162% of total! How can we be charged for a place that we do not use and requested cancellation in 2013 when we were paid up. I want to fill out a notice of appeal once I receive the judgement from the Court. I will not submit to personal information to NW.
We are seniors, all our money will be gone!

Aden do you have a Vacation Villa Lease contract? What I found when I downloaded the Northmont Resort Properties Ltd and James Reid and Diane Reid. I noticed that we Lease Owners are now all VIA’S. No one told me this,they can Modify but they can not wipe the hole Lease Contract. This is unilateral amendments to Contracts,unless the consumer is provided advance notice and given the right to cancel the contract. This is called Consumer Protection Changes. PH. 18774274088 This is also covered on item number 38 of my Vacation Villa Lease. The other thing they are doing is making changes on Contracts to suit the next case. Was Justice Young told before her case that Northmont made unilateral amendments to Contracts. This will affect all lease Contracts. They have not followed threw with their obligations with item#38 Modifications. We are now in the process of sending every Politician in Alberta a heads up on what is happening to many Seniors and how they are violating our Contracts. Join the Canadian anti-fraud centre. 1-888-495-8501. Inspect for them.

 

[Scammed!]

People we need to get to THE HONOURABLE JUDGE L.D. YOUNG A.S.A.P.!!!!

 

[Lostmyshirt]

Do the math. 50% have left and paid a min of say $5K? Thats a min 37,500,000. If they truly needed $40,000,000 wouldn't that buy the whole freaking property out? Never mind the ones who paid to stay, 22%? thats easily 18,000,000. No wonder they want this money, to get people out FFS??? how is this legal??? how did this get by the courts?? We've been had people. Big time. Keep sending out those letters. An audit is needed. Where is all the money actually going????

 

[Lostmyshirt]

If NM increases one cost (exit fee) to offset a reduced interest (actually a contractual obligation) in order to get more money, it is a perfect example of greed and arbitrarily inflated costs on NM's behalf. I'm sure Judge Young would frown upon that as they were the two items that she had concerns with in her decision.

I also challenge paying the RPF in option 1. NM is charging to stay and charging to go.
"" where was this from?" what KW said
Under sworn oath KW said " any owner who chooses to cancel does not have to pay the RPF"

This further exemplifies their greed and true intention.

 

[MarcieL]

People we need to get to THE HONOURABLE JUDGE L.D. YOUNG A.S.A.P.!!!!

People we need to get to THE HONOURABLE JUDGE L.D. YOUNG A.S.A.P.!!!!

M.G. mismanaged his arguments affecting all our contracts, we were all classed as Jeke and the courts agreed so we are screwed plain an simple. Check the transcripts of the test case in B.C.

This resort is run by "one person" there is NO mgmt., NO boards, No budgets, NO audited financial statements combine that with the absence of an effective lawyer and here we are today!

 

[dalindy]

Hi,
We are on Pullman, please let us know what you have in mind. We have all the same questions.
Thanks. Bohutch.

I think first someone needs to find a lawyer in WA that is willing to talk to us. We have tried local ones and a couple of Western WA ones that specialize in Timeshares & they all said they couldn't help us. If anyone can find a lawyer, let us know.

 

[MarcieL]

People we need to get to THE HONOURABLE JUDGE L.D. YOUNG A.S.A.P.!!!!

How do we do that???

 

[Lostmyshirt]

so then, give up? give in? hand over the extortion amount demanded? I only pay 2.5% interest annually on my mortgage I'd like it to go back to court to negotiate fair costs. I don't want to pay for weeks I did not use, and another 26.82% annually on those fees. Somebody has to be able to stop them. If we were screwed since Jeke should we not have bowed out at that point? After all I was under the impression I was contributing to an end goal of a class action suit, not to a singular defense.

 

[Scammed!]

How do we do that???

I faxed her at 780-422-2257. EVERYONE FAX YOUR LETTERS!!!!! THIS IS OUR ONLY HOPE. HER ORDERS WERE DISMISSED! STAY FOCUSED ONLY ON THIS RIGHT NOW. WE NEED HER TO HEAR US AND GET HER ATTENTION.....THEN AFTER YOU SEND YOUR LETTER TO THE HONOURABLE JUDGE L.D. YOUNG YOU CAN GET BACK AND DEAL WITH THE OTHER ISSUES. A lawyer representing us would also be a positive miracle right now.

 

[Bewildered]

I want to thank Bewildered for this letter. At this moment I would like to inform you all that 87 MLA's (not one missed) have received this letter in Alberta in last three hours. We will be heard! I received an email from two urging me to inform my MLA .... so I had to revise it a little to say this letter is to inform all MLA'S of Alberta what is happening to Canadians. Why did I do this? Because there are elderly people who I saw in court and it was heart breaking. Some may be sick, don't know how to use a computer, or have zero support. I don't know who they are or where they live but I covered every inch of Alberta. I will no longer be silenced. I have always stuck up for the under dog.....apparently that would be me right now. I can tell you that I have sent just over 100 emails so far. My work isn't finished until this is over!

You should be contacting your federal MP too as this is bigger than just one province. We need this story to break in the Alberta/BC media, any ideas?

 

[Spark1]

M.G. mismanaged his arguments affecting all our contracts, we were all classed as Jeke and the courts agreed so we are screwed plain an simple. Check the transcripts of the test case in B.C.

This resort is run by "one person" there is NO mgmt., NO boards, No budgets, NO audited financial statements combine that with the absence of an effective lawyer and here we are today!

That is not true we never ever signed our Vacation Villa Lease over to Michael Geldert or any one. Those are legal Documents and the courts can not do this. The courts will have to show me where I agreed to sign over our Lease contract. Geldert Law was dealing with all kinds of clients with different contracts. Read item 38 Modifications to Lease. We had a right to the only Lawyer that would take this case on but that does not mean they can screw around with our contracts.

 

[Bewildered]

Ok, turns out Bewildered started this. Let's keep a running list. Someone had some media contacts and let's just post the MLA, MP info here. Easy to cut and past into your cc list in an email, or just start going down the list and phoning.


Media Contacts


Government Contacts - Provincial Alberta
Alberta Consumer Protection Line: 1-877-427-4088 (toll-free)

Honourable Kathleen Ganley
Alberta Minister of Justice and Solicitor General
Members of Executive Council
Executive Branch
424 Legislature Building
10800 - 97 Avenue
Edmonton, AB
T5K 2B6
Phone: 780 427-2339
Fax: 780 422-6621
E-mail: ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca



Government Contacts - Provincial BC
BC Ministry of Attorney General
Honorable David Eby, Minister
JAG.minister@gov.bc.ca


Government Contacts - Federal
Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre: 1-888-495-8501 or through the Fraud Reporting System (FRS):

Legal Organization Contacts
British Columbia Law Society: professionalconduct@lsbc.org
Alberta Law Society (link to submit form): https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/


??? Other Categories ???

I started it but there is a long way to go! I am including my invoice to my Member if Parliament (redacted address, etc if you want) just to show how asinine the interest charges are. I think it may be a lightbulb moment for him when he sees it. Maybe Judge Young would give her head a shake too when she sees we’ve been abandoned and sees that amount of interest. I am sending a copy to her too. For those that don’t have a scanner just take cellphone photo of the invoice and add as an attachment to your letter.

 

[Bewildered]

I just want ask again, has anybody made any headway with the Facebook group as I believe it is much bigger than the Tugs group? Alberta (Edmonton and Calgary area) have tons of people with Fairmont timeshares and they should be able to really get momentum with the elected officials. Time is of the essence.

 

[CleoB]

I just want ask again, has anybody made any headway with the Facebook group as I believe it is much bigger than the Tugs group? Alberta (Edmonton and Calgary area) have tons of people with Fairmont timeshares and they should be able to really get momentum with the elected officials. Time is of the essence.

I believe the closed Facebook group knows and is writing letters as well.

 

[Palms to pines]

One would think that know the departments of justice would have to take notice of this. Would they not be the ones obligated to see that a judge’s instructions are carried out?? If not them , who? I have contacted them,confirmation they received the letter, nothing further . In the overall picture I am astounded by what these companies are able to get away with! It’s like nothing touches them! No wonder there are off shore accounts.

 

[Bewildered]

I believe the closed Facebook group knows and is writing letters as well.

Awesome news and apologies to everyone that’s not from Alberta and BC were all in this together but unfortunately we will get most traction with Alberta and BC elected officials and yes your federal MPs and maybe even Trudeau you never know. For Americans I’m thinking BC because that’s where you own your asset if that is what we want to call it at this point.

 

[Broke Mama]

We are in Eastern Wa too, south of Spokane. We are in the Settlement group but don't want to pay. We would love to get a WA group together and see if maybe a lawyer would be willing to talk to us about our

We are also in Pullman. I think first someone needs to find a lawyer in WA that is willing to talk to us. We have tried the Pullman ones and a couple of Western WA ones that specialize in Timeshares & they all said they couldn't help us. If anyone can find a lawyer, let us
options, what happens if we don't pay, what to expect if Northmont tries to collect here, etc. All the questions we wanted Geldert to answer and never were able to get answers for.[/QUOTE

We are in Eastern Wa too, south of Spokane. We are in the Settlement group but don't want to pay. We would love to get a WA group together and see if maybe a lawyer would be willing to talk to us about our options, what happens if we don't pay, what to expect if Northmont tries to collect here, etc. All the questions we wanted Geldert to answer and never were able to get answers for.

I would like to talk to you further. My number is 5099530749 we live in spokane washington

 

[Scammed!]

You should be contacting your federal MP too as this is bigger than just one province. We need this story to break in the Alberta/BC media, any ideas?