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You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

easyrider said:
This is probably the best comment I've heard about FSD. Eventually, many will get old enough to benefit from FSD.

Bill
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Granted it’s an outlier type issue in general, but as we do have an aging population, I think issues like this that provide more freedom and independence will drive adoption even from skeptics by way of necessity.


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FSD is the primary reason why I have considered a Tesla.
 
Ralph Sir Edward said:
Yes, we'll be dragged into the future, kicking and screaming. At a certain point in life, things like freedom and privacy mean nothing, as you are no longer able to do much of anything.

But until then, we'll "ride our ponies", dangerous or not, when we want, where we want, for as long as we want, without "Big Brother" watching our every move.
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freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose.
(remember to wear the tin foil hat)
 
Ken555 said:
FSD is the primary reason why I have considered a Tesla.
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It might be for me when I'm 90 but at that age I probably won't care.

Bill
 
Brett said:
freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose.
(remember to wear the tin foil hat)
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Until that "nothin" is lost too.

Bill
 
Aligning with customer demand, major British carmaker Vauxhall, owned by Stellantis, is increasing its offerings of diesel cars and cutting back on EV's. Like many carmakers, it has taken a huge loss on EVs.

www.express.co.uk

Ed Miliband humiliated as car giant returns to diesel for 'real world' drivers

Ed Miliband has pushed the UK's ZEV Mandate scheme, but now manufacturers are turning their backs on EVs
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/02/15/waymo-markey-autonomous-vehicles-safety-unions/


According to NHTSA, human drivers have roughly one fatality for every 100 million vehicle miles traveled. As of September 2025, Waymo driverless vehicles had carried passengers for more than 127 million miles, yet Waymo has not been implicated in any fatal crashes. In early 2025, a Waymo experienced the company’s first-ever fatal crash involving a fully driverless vehicle, but it was not the company’s fault;
 
Brett said:
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According to NHTSA, human drivers have roughly one fatality for every 100 million vehicle miles traveled. As of September 2025, Waymo driverless vehicles had carried passengers for more than 127 million miles, yet Waymo has not been implicated in any fatal crashes. In early 2025, a Waymo experienced the company’s first-ever fatal crash involving a fully driverless vehicle, but it was not the company’s fault;
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It's still a fatality. You didn't qualify the fault of the human driver fatality rate.
 
The Cyber Truck song...............

Bill

 
easyrider said:
...the Cyber Truck is more of an on road vehicle than off road, imo. Other than videos I haven't seen a Cyber Truck on a trail. I wonder who is buying these ?
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The vast, vast majority of all trucks (ICE or EV) sold today never see anything but pavement.

Kurt
 
From Claude:

How often do pickup trucks actually go off-road? (ICE vs. EV)

Fresh data from Strategic Vision’s annual survey of ~250,000 vehicle owners, reported by Carscoops in November 2025, finally gives us a direct ICE vs. EV comparison.

First, how the truck categories are defined:

∙ Alternative Powertrain (ATP): EV and hybrid trucks — Ford F-150 Lightning, Rivian R1T, Tesla Cybertruck, Chevy Silverado EV, Toyota Tundra i-Force Max hybrid, etc.
∙ Standard Truck: Midsize pickups — Toyota Tacoma, Chevy Colorado, Ford Ranger, Nissan Frontier, Honda Ridgeline
∙ Full-Size Truck: Half-ton pickups — Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado 1500, Ram 1500, Toyota Tundra, GMC Sierra 1500
∙ Heavy-Duty Truck: ¾-ton and 1-ton pickups — Ford F-250/F-350, Chevy Silverado 2500/3500, Ram 2500/3500
Off-roading and hauling at least once per month:



|Activity |EV/Hybrid|Standard (Midsize)|Full-Size|Heavy-Duty|
|------------------------------------|---------|------------------|---------|----------|
|Light off-road (gravel/dirt) |31% |29% |32% |46% |
|Serious off-road (rocks/mud/streams)|11% |13% |15% |23% |
|Hauls cargo monthly |64% |58% |61% |74% |
|Drives for pleasure monthly |89% |90% |90% |82% |

Key takeaways:

EV truck owners off-road at virtually identical rates to ICE truck owners. The “pavement princess” stereotype aimed at EV trucks doesn’t hold up — they’re actually slightly more likely to haul cargo monthly than standard or full-size ICE trucks.

However, roughly 70% of all truck owners — regardless of powertrain — do little to no off-roading on a regular basis. Only 11-15% are doing anything serious off-road monthly. Heavy-duty trucks are the outlier, with nearly half (46%) hitting dirt/gravel regularly — which makes sense given that those owners tend to be farmers, contractors, and tradespeople driving into fields, job sites, and unpaved areas.

The earlier Strategic Vision data (via The Drive, 2019) still holds directionally: about 70% of truck owners go off-road once a year or less, 75% tow once a year or less, and 35% rarely use the bed at all.
The bottom line: the biggest factor in whether a truck goes off-road isn’t the powertrain — it’s whether the owner actually needs to.

Sources:

∙ Carscoops / Strategic Vision (Nov 2025) — EV vs. ICE off-road and hauling comparison: https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/think-ev-truck-owners-are-just-posers-well-heres-the-truth/
∙ Carscoops / Strategic Vision (Jan 2026) — Truck owner hobby trends: https://www.carscoops.com/2026/01/truck-owner-hobby-trends-2026/
∙ The Drive / Strategic Vision (2019) — Original tow/haul/off-road breakdown: https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume
∙ GMC internal customer data (2022): https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/0...ight-truck-owners-use-their-vehicle-off-road/
 
My point with a Cyber Truck is if a body panel is damaged, it would be almost impossible to repair. It would have to be replaced most likely. It could only be replaced by a Tesla facility and could take months for the work to be complete.

Knowing this, why would anyone risk taking a Cyber Truck off road ?

Bill
 
Beefnot said:
Huh? How does strong demand delay delivery by a year?
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I think what they were saying is if you put in an order for a CT a little while ago, the estimated delivery was later in 2026, but if you put in an order today, it is now 14 months out due to all the people putting in orders (demand) in recent days. I agree, it could have been stated better.

Kurt
 
PigsDad said:
I think what they were saying is if you put in an order for a CT a little while ago, the estimated delivery was later in 2026, but if you put in an order today, it is now 14 months out due to all the people putting in orders (demand) in recent days. I agree, it could have been stated better.

Kurt
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I thought they paused production last summer due to some upper seals leaking and trim falling off which caused the delays in deliveries. Not so much a surge in orders caused by recent sales but a problem with production.

Bill
 
easyrider said:
I thought they paused production last summer due to some upper seals leaking and trim falling off which caused the delays in deliveries. Not so much a surge in orders caused by recent sales but a problem with production.

Bill
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What on earth does a brief pause in production last summer have to do with the new model released just last week and corresponding estimated delivery delays due to increased demand for the newest model that is $20k less expensive yet decently equipped?


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HitchHiker71 said:
What on earth does a brief pause in production last summer have to do with the new model released just last week and corresponding estimated delivery delays due to increased demand for the newest model that is $20k less expensive yet decently equipped?


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Isn't the Cyber Truck dealing with the same problem with trim and seal recall in 2025 now in 2026 ? Dropping the price for a lesser but newer Cyber Truck is only exacerbating the delivery delays because of the current recalls, imo. It's the high volume of recalls and the back log of orders that is taking the Cyber Truck deliveries into next year.

Bill
 
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