How much is gasoline in your area?

[CO skier]

Those on using farm land for solar? 70 - 78% of all acres of grain is used to feed livestock and other commodities. Which in turn supplies the beef, Pork, Poultry and vegetables we eat! This does not take into account of Ethanol, Cotton, Tobacco??? and others. You could most likely figure 15% could be used for solar and other things. But we are loosing farm land for development at an alarming rate ALSO.

Good grief. I regularly drive between the Rocky Mountains and the Mississippi River in NE, KS, IA -- certainly representative of the "grain belt" farmland. I have not seen a SINGLE solar panel.

I HAVE seen lots of Wind Farms that have ZERO effect on "acres of grain is used to feed livestock and other commodities."

 

[Brett]

China does not have a major oil and natural gas industry
They import oil and natural gas
It is why they are moving so aggressively to other sources of energy

They still have an influential coal group. It is why they still build coal plants

sure - (but no coal powered cars)

 

[1Kflyerguy]

sure - (but no coal powered cars)



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At least in California, we have way more electric cars than coal-powered cars, too.

 

[andre10056]

When you're talking about China, it should be recognized that China is aggressively making its move (its "transition) into renewable energy not only because they don't have domestic sources for fossil fuels, but also because they're very well able to develop technology to meet their energy needs rather than relying upon extracting "stuff" from the ground. The country is devoted to education education education and they're now benefiting from the fruits of that emphasis.

Every three years or so, the world's 15 year olds are given an achievement test, translated into the host country's home language of course, which measures students' proficiency in math, science, and reading. I would regard "math" as being the most important fundamental skill in an increasingly technological age, and here are the results of the Math test for 2022:

Singapore 575
China 552
Taiwan 547
Hong Kong 540
Japan 536
South Korea 527
Estonia 510
Switzerland 508
Canada 497
Netherlands 493
Ireland 492
United Kingdom 489
Poland 489
Belgium 489
Denmark 489
Australia 487
Czechia 487
Austria 487
Slovenia 485
Finland 484
Latvia 483
Sweden 483
New Zealand 482
Germany 475
Lithuania 475
France 474
Spain 473
Hungary 473
Portugal 472
Italy 471
Vietnam 469
Norway 468
Malta 466
United States 465
Slovakia 464
Croatia 463
Iceland 459
...................

Source:

PISA Scores by Country 2026

Comparison on national scores on the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), which measures students' skills in math, science, and reading.

worldpopulationreview.com

Scroll down to "PISA Math" and click on it.

So China with its enormous 1.3 billion population, which of course includes a great many non-affluent people (unlike affluent Singapore), is 2nd in the world. The United States is 33rd. Behind Malta... but at least we're ahead of Slovakia and Croatia!

So that's why American tech companies so aggressively hire Chinese engineers graduating from American universities and graduate schools, hoping that they'll agree to stay in the US under the appropriate visas (including "genius" visas).

And that's why the Chinese can do things like this that we can't (unless we're helped by the Chinese engineers mentioned last sentence):

:

 

[gps60255]

Not arguing the point, was only talking about farmed acres and unless your in Hawaii or tearing up the rain forest in Brazil you can not make more. Not the Rocky mountain. There are many livestock farmers that put solar up next to there buildings to offset the costs of electricity and outages for short term. I believe they received grants for them not sure what percentage? Don't believe you would see many wind farms if it wasn't for the $10,000 per year per unit. There are several counties in Iowa that do not allow any more wind farms. They are spread out only one per 80 acres or so. They do take up to 1/2 acre or more each with access road. which makes it a pain to farm around. Don't forget ladies widow's own most of the ground hear in the Midwest. I'm glad to hear that California has no coal plants. In our area not a very big percentage of cars are electric (battery charged) vehicles but what there is many are charged by coal fired generators. I'm sure as time goes on they will do better on costs to charge them. To each their own.

 

[billymach4]

$3.39

 

[heitmullerj02]

4.29 Mesa, AZ

 

[Brett]

When you're talking about China, it should be recognized that China is aggressively making its move (its "transition) into renewable energy not only because they don't have domestic sources for fossil fuels, but also because they're very well able to develop technology to meet their energy needs rather than relying upon extracting "stuff" from the ground. The country is devoted to education education education and they're now benefiting from the fruits of that emphasis.

Every three years or so, the world's 15 year olds are given an achievement test, translated into the host country's home language of course, which measures students' proficiency in math, science, and reading. I would regard "math" as being the most important fundamental skill in an increasingly technological age, and here are the results of the Math test for 2022:

Singapore 575
China 552
Taiwan 547
Hong Kong 540
Japan 536
South Korea 527
Estonia 510
Switzerland 508
Canada 497
Netherlands 493
Ireland 492
United Kingdom 489
Poland 489
Belgium 489
Denmark 489
Australia 487
Czechia 487
Austria 487
Slovenia 485
Finland 484
Latvia 483
Sweden 483
New Zealand 482
Germany 475
Lithuania 475
France 474
Spain 473
Hungary 473
Portugal 472
Italy 471
Vietnam 469
Norway 468
Malta 466
United States 465
Slovakia 464
Croatia 463
Iceland 459
...................

Source:

PISA Scores by Country 2026

Comparison on national scores on the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), which measures students' skills in math, science, and reading.

worldpopulationreview.com

Scroll down to "PISA Math" and click on it.

So China with its enormous 1.3 billion population, which of course includes a great many non-affluent people (unlike affluent Singapore), is 2nd in the world. The United States is 33rd. Behind Malta... but at least we're ahead of Slovakia and Croatia!

So that's why American tech companies so aggressively hire Chinese engineers graduating from American universities and graduate schools, hoping that they'll agree to stay in the US under the appropriate visas (including "genius" visas).

And that's why the Chinese can do things like this that we can't (unless we're helped by the Chinese engineers mentioned last sentence):

:

Yes, I don't need to click. Just the "why" part ....
and how it relates to electric vehicles & economics
.

 

[andre10056]

Yes, I don't need to click. Just the "why" part ....
and how it relates to electric vehicles & economics
.

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Your link (assuming it was meant to be a link) is not working so let me give you a bit of "why" information.

Boston University allows anyone over 58 years old to take its courses, most undergraduate and many graduate (including everything in the MBA program) for pretty much zero (free of charge). You sit in the classroom just like all the other students (who pay $80,000 per year) and the "senior" student can choose to simply watch or to do all homeworks and take all exams.

Among other courses, I've taken extensive mathematics curriculum courses. And I can tell you that the Chinese students, having been so well prepared while in junior high and high school, are the first to finish their exams and bring their exam booklets up to the professor before most other students even get to the halfway point.

Moreover, in the library, they all work cooperatively in teams. Groups of Chinese students enrolled in the same course help each other out and enhance everyone's learning experience. Non-Chinese American students, on the other hand, will never work in teams because the culture is "competition" rather than helping each other out by working together, An American student will be overjoyed if their peer fails a test, while the Chinese students consider it a triumph if everyone excels.

There's no reason why American students couldn't excel in these subjects but, as a society, education is very low priority. Which results in not only American students lagging behind the Asians, but also just about everybody else that has a halfway developed country.

When have you heard anybody talking about a science technology engineering math (STEM) educational renaissance in the US? Or free college or extensive scholarships for STEM students?

We will pay for prioritizing other things.

 

[jackio]

We left Orlando today and paid $3.89 at the airport. Home on Long Island it is $3.39.

 

[emeryjre]

Your link (assuming it was meant to be a link) is not working so let me give you a bit of "why" information.

Boston University allows anyone over 58 years old to take its courses, most undergraduate and many graduate (including everything in the MBA program) for pretty much zero (free of charge). You sit in the classroom just like all the other students (who pay $80,000 per year) and the "senior" student can choose to simply watch or to do all homeworks and take all exams.

Among other courses, I've taken extensive mathematics curriculum courses. And I can tell you that the Chinese students, having been so well prepared while in junior high and high school, are the first to finish their exams and bring their exam booklets up to the professor before most other students even get to the halfway point.

Moreover, in the library, they all work cooperatively in teams. Groups of Chinese students enrolled in the same course help each other out and enhance everyone's learning experience. Non-Chinese American students, on the other hand, will never work in teams because the culture is "competition" rather than helping each other out by working together, An American student will be overjoyed if their peer fails a test, while the Chinese students consider it a triumph if everyone excels.

There's no reason why American students couldn't excel in these subjects but, as a society, education is very low priority. Which results in not only American students lagging behind the Asians, but just about everybody else that has a halfway developed country.

When have you heard anybody talking about a science technology engineering math (STEM) educational renaissance in the US? Or free college or extensive scholarships for STEM students?

We will pay for prioritizing other things.

It starts with the parents
My nieces and nephews are drilled daily on the importance of education
Parents are all high achieving professionals
Auntie and Uncle gave them IPads at a young age
They got to see videos and games after completing educational tasks first
Even yesterday (day off from school) math assignments for everyone before playing multiplayer Roblox
How is going
All are doing math 2-3 grades ahead
The junior is doing college level calculus
It starts at home

 

[CPNY]

5.39 for premium in Manhattan this morning. I thank the good lord that I get my gas paid for

 

[TolmiePeak]

5.39 for premium in Manhattan this morning. I thank the good lord that I get my gas paid for

Why are you driving a car in Manhattan? The subway is far safer and often faster.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

With the exception of discretionary air travel, we are unaffected by oil prices for transportation.

Over $5 in Northern Calif. Thankful we have free EV charging from rooftop solar (we expanded the system last year for the tax credit) and a hybrid that sips gas Have not been to a station in months. Almost free electricity in the house too. Anything we do not use goes back into the grid and we are paid for it.

We installed a fast charger in our garage with the EV tax credit so charges quickly when needed but usually charge overnight.

When we drive longer range we take the hybrid. Have only used a public charging station maybe once a year so the issues about waiting in line or fast charging do not matter to us.

 

[emeryjre]

This is a good analysis of what is happening with oil prices and why
No political discussion in the article
Not a 30 second read
Quick take:
The amount of free capacity is limited,
A major change in output from any producer creates a shortfall

The Myth of the Oil Glut Is Dead | OilPrice.com

Years of underinvestment in oil projects, limits to U.S. shale growth, and geopolitical risks mean markets could stay tight.

oilprice.com

 

[CPNY]

Why are you driving a car in Manhattan? The subway is far safer and often faster.

Safer? 3 people were pushed in front of subways in the past two weeks in the Upper East Side, my neighborhood, an affluent and relatively safe area. Random daytime attacks are up in the are too. Yes, NYC is relatively safe but I'll avoid subways as much as possible. I'll ride a bike or walk as much as I can. I have a car for work, but I dont think if ever live in the city without a car. It's such a freeing experience and I wont get rid of it.

 

[TolmiePeak]

Safer? 3 people were pushed in front of subways in the past two weeks in the Upper East Side, my neighborhood, an affluent and relatively safe area. Random daytime attacks are up in the are too. Yes, NYC is relatively safe but I'll avoid subways as much as possible. I'll ride a bike or walk as much as I can. I have a car for work, but I dont think if ever live in the city without a car. It's such a freeing experience and I wont get rid of it.

40000 people killed in car accidents every year. Driving is the most dangerous activity you do on a typical day.

 

[CPNY]

40000 people killed in car accidents every year. Driving is the most dangerous activity you do on a typical day.

Thanks for the stat. Subways cant take me everywhere I need to go. Thats not to say I dont take the them, I do and did just this week but Id rather be stuck in traffic than stuck in a subway tunnel with thousands of people, I'll stick with driving no matter how much they want to ban it. Unlike most people on here, I rely on Cars, Buses, Bicycles, Trains and Planes for my transportation on a regular basis. I travel weekly for work, I live in a major city, im good with travel options.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Those on using farm land for solar? 70 - 78% of all acres of grain is used to feed livestock and other commodities. Which in turn supplies the beef, Pork, Poultry and vegetables we eat! This does not take into account of Ethanol, Cotton, Tobacco??? and others. You could most likely figure 15% could be used for solar and other things. But we are loosing farm land for development at an alarming rate ALSO.

No one said using farm land for solar - what I said - in point of fact no less - was that the farmland we currently in use to produce ethanol fuels - if converted to solar farms - would offset more than 100% of US energy consumption. Not farmland for grain or food, farmland already in use solely for automobile fuels for ICE vehicles due to subsidies. Switch the subsidies away from legacy ICE (dying) technologies from last century toward renewable technologies of the future.


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[emeryjre]

No one said using farm land for solar - what I was - in point of fact no less - that the farmland we currently use to produce ethanol fuels - if converted to solar farms - would offset more than 100% of US energy consumption. Not farmland for grain or food, farmland already in use solely for automobile fuels for ICE vehicles due to subsidies. Switch the subsidies away from legacy ICE (dying) technologies from last century toward renewable technologies of the future.


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If I correctly remember when Ethanol from Corn was being put together under Bush Jr.,
There plenty of analysis that showed there was a net loss of energy
When the energy used for fertilizer, cultivation, insecticide, harvesting, transportation, was added up
It would have been cheaper to use the oil consumed in the growth and conversion of corn straight to gasoline
The program was really a subsidy for corn farmers

 

[dioxide45]

If I correctly remember when Ethanol from Corn was being put together under Bush Jr.,
There plenty of analysis that showed there was a net loss of energy
When the energy used for fertilizer, cultivation, insecticide, harvesting, transportation, was added up
It would have been cheaper to use the oil consumed in the growth and conversion of corn straight to gasoline
The program was really a subsidy for corn farmers

It was mostly for subsidies but sold as a cleaner better performing fuel. Almost half of the corn grown is used for ethanol production. That said, the nature of corn subsidies is bi-partisan. All the administrations seem to love ethanol. I don't know how much of it is used for aviation fuel vs. actual E85 at the gas pumps. Every time I see E85 I wonder who actually pumps that stuff into their vehicle. I guess some owners of higher performance cars use it. I also learned that federal law requires USPS drivers and certain other federal government fleets to fuel Flexible Fuel Vehicles with E85 unless there is a waiver due to limited availability of E85 in the area or region.

Ethanol mix in fuel also varies a lot by country with some contries (Brazil) mixing over 25% ethanol into fuel while most fuel in the US has a 10% mix of ethanol. So even if you don't use E85, there is still ethanol in fuel. Was this done to reduce the emissions of vehicles to meet certain standards?

 

[gps60255]

gas is $3.29 and diesel $4.49 in town by me NW Iowa. Just some info on Ethanol. One bushel of corn produces 2.9 gallons of ethanol, 18 lbs of high protein distillers grain for livestock, 17 lbs of CO2 for beverage dispensers and 1 1/2 lbs of corn oil. The by products $1.35 High protein Distillers Grain, 1 dollar a pound to fill CO2 tank for pop tank dispensers by the way will fill 500 glasses of soda or $17, $2 dollars of corn oil and $5.51 for ethanol = $25.86 income per bu. I have not found out what the O&M is for an Ethanol plant yet so I can't give you the net value. If someone out there could do the research for the cost per Kw on solar that would be great. On the comment above that says they charge their car for free at home where do you get one and have someone install it for you? I believe there is value in both EV and fossil. I am concerned on the bit coin and other high tech industries using tremendous amounts of Electricity. Go SOLAR, WIND, NUCLEAR, DAMN, COAL and FOSSIL. And someone fix our Infrastructure to supply it. Now everyone go on VACATION!

 

[Brett]

If I correctly remember when Ethanol from Corn was being put together under Bush Jr.,
There plenty of analysis that showed there was a net loss of energy
When the energy used for fertilizer, cultivation, insecticide, harvesting, transportation, was added up
It would have been cheaper to use the oil consumed in the growth and conversion of corn straight to gasoline
The program was really a subsidy for corn farmers

Apparently so.

 

[pedro47]

BP $3.79 for regular gasoline

 

[pedro47]

gas is $3.29 and diesel $4.49 in town by me NW Iowa. Just some info on Ethanol. One bushel of corn produces 2.9 gallons of ethanol, 18 lbs of high protein distillers grain for livestock, 17 lbs of CO2 for beverage dispensers and 1 1/2 lbs of corn oil. The by products $1.35 High protein Distillers Grain, 1 dollar a pound to fill CO2 tank for pop tank dispensers by the way will fill 500 glasses of soda or $17, $2 dollars of corn oil and $5.51 for ethanol = $25.86 income per bu. I have not found out what the O&M is for an Ethanol plant yet so I can't give you the net value. If someone out there could do the research for the cost per Kw on solar that would be great. On the comment above that says they charge their car for free at home where do you get one and have someone install it for you? I believe there is value in both EV and fossil. I am concerned on the bit coin and other high tech industries using tremendous amounts of Electricity. Go SOLAR, WIND, NUCLEAR, DAMN, COAL and FOSSIL. And someone fix our Infrastructure to supply it. Now everyone go on VACATION!

I can remember when I had my 1981 240D diesel car. I was paying 89 per gallon for diesel . Now diesel is over $4.20 per gallon.