You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

Isn't the Cyber Truck dealing with the same problem with trim and seal recall in 2025 now in 2026 ? Dropping the price for a lesser but newer Cyber Truck is only exacerbating the delivery delays because of the current recalls, imo. It's the high volume of recalls and the back log of orders that is taking the Cyber Truck deliveries into next year.

Bill

No, it isn’t. Where do you get this stuff? Show me any evidence of a current recall LOL.

Grok’s analysis of your theory: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_658a248a-206d-49a1-a922-a26ec89b909e

The statement from the TUG forum post (by user Bill) is partially accurate but contains some inaccuracies, overstatements, and outdated or imprecise details based on current information as of February 2026.

Here’s a breakdown of the key claims in the post:
• “Isn’t the Cyber Truck dealing with the same problem with trim and seal recall in 2025 now in 2026 ?”

This refers to a major recall involving the “cantrail” (a stainless steel exterior trim panel/seal above the side windows/windshield area). It affects 2024-2025 Cybertrucks (manufactured from November 2023 to February 27, 2025), where the panel could delaminate or detach due to adhesive issues (sometimes described as the “wrong glue” or environmental embrittlement). This was announced in March 2025 and required physical replacement at service centers (not OTA).
It is not ongoing into 2026 as an active widespread production issue for new vehicles—production fixes were implemented by early 2025, and affected vehicles (mostly pre-2025 builds) get the repair. There are unrelated later recalls (e.g., too-bright front parking lights in late 2025 for 2024-2026 models, fixed via OTA software; or off-road light bar adhesive issues), but nothing specifically matching “trim and seal” extending as a current 2026 problem for deliveries. The cantrail recall was largely resolved for the fleet by mid-2025.

• “Dropping the price for a lesser but newer Cyber Truck is only exacerbating the delivery delays because of the current recalls, imo.”

Tesla did introduce a cheaper dual-motor AWD Cybertruck variant in February 2026 (around $59,990–$60k starting price), a roughly $20k drop from prior comparable models, with some trimmed features (e.g., fewer speakers, marginally lower payload). This is the “newer” and “less expensive yet decently equipped” model referenced in the quoted post by HitchHiker71.
Delivery estimates for new orders of this variant have indeed pushed back significantly due to high demand—initial estimates were around June 2026, then slipped to fall 2026 (Sept–Oct), and further updates show some pushing into 2027 (e.g., April 2027 or just “2027” for newest orders). This backlog is primarily attributed to surging demand overwhelming production capacity, not directly to recalls. Recalls (past and minor ongoing) can cause temporary production halts or service backlogs, but current delays for the new lower-priced model appear driven by sales volume rather than recall-related disruptions.

• “It’s the high volume of recalls and the back log of orders that is taking the Cyber Truck deliveries into next year.”

Cybertruck has had multiple recalls since launch (e.g., accelerator pedal pad in 2024, cantrail/trim in 2025, parking lights in late 2025, others), which is higher than average for a new model and has contributed to some production pauses or service queues in the past. However, the current extended delivery timelines (into 2027 for new orders) are more accurately tied to strong demand for the newly launched cheaper variant overwhelming Tesla’s production ramp-up. Backlogs from orders exist, but recalls aren’t cited as the primary cause in recent reports—demand is the key factor mentioned.

In summary: The forum post correctly notes ongoing delivery delays and ties them to a mix of recalls + order backlog, but it overstates the role of a specific “trim and seal” recall persisting into 2026 as the main culprit. The bigger driver right now is high demand for the new lower-priced model introduced last week (relative to the post’s timing), leading to those extended waits. Recalls have been a recurring issue for Cybertruck, but they’re not the sole or dominant reason for the current 2026–2027 delivery pushbacks.



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[emeryjre]

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[Ralph Sir Edward]

Just thought I'd check Public EV charging stations near my house. (DuckDuckGo)

4 in a 15 mile circle from my house.
Gas stations (not including gas station attached to grocery stores or CostCo/Sam's) 16 in a 5 mile radius.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Just thought I'd check Public EV charging stations near my house. (DuckDuckGo)

4 in a 15 mile circle from my house.
Gas stations (not including gas station attached to grocery stores or CostCo/Sam's) 16 in a 5 mile radius.

The key difference is, you can’t put gas in your ICE vehicle at home, you can charge your BEV at home. Unless you live in an apartment or condo with no ability to use L1 or L2 charging, having L3 chargers close to home isn’t important. We’ve literally never used any public chargers within roughly 50 miles of our home.


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[easyrider]

Show me any evidence of a current recall

Backlogs from orders exist, but recalls aren’t cited as the primary cause in recent reports—demand is the key factor mentioned.

A service back log requires more time than a recall regarding the amount of time that it takes the product to go through the repair process. Ask grok to add up sales in 2025-26 to recall and service. My bet is the ratio of service and recall data is similar or more than sales numbers.

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

The key difference is, you can’t put gas in your ICE vehicle at home, you can charge your BEV at home. Unless you live in an apartment or condo with no ability to use L1 or L2 charging, having L3 chargers close to home isn’t important. We’ve literally never used any public chargers within roughly 50 miles of our home.


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Have you installed residential backup batteries yet?
They are a perfect add on to your residential solar system

 

[HitchHiker71]

Have you installed residential backup batteries yet?
They are a perfect add on to your residential solar system

Not yet, that likely won’t be in the cards in the near term. I may install a power gateway to allow using our BEV as a battery backup rather than adding home batteries, which are not cheap. The car already has an 80kw battery in it, which is far larger than any home batteries can offer, which are around 10-13kw each in comparison.


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[Brett]

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicle-battery-lifespan

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[HitchHiker71]

Interesting how we see these articles for Tesla constantly, but rarely for its competitors:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028511300696097226

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[HitchHiker71]

A service back log requires more time than a recall regarding the amount of time that it takes the product to go through the repair process. Ask grok to add up sales in 2025-26 to recall and service. My bet is the ratio of service and recall data is similar or more than sales numbers.

Bill

The point is - any service backlog is about repairing existing already sold vehicles at repair centers - not the manufacturing line. The recall you’re referring to was resolved on the manufacturing line summer 2025 and therefore isn’t an issue for any/all manufactured CTs after that point last summer. Your bet is wrong. If anything, the delay is most likely related to ramp-up issues with DBE tech at both Tesla and Panasonic for the 4680 cells.

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[easyrider]

The point is - any service backlog is about repairing existing already sold vehicles at repair centers - not the manufacturing line. The recall you’re referring to was resolved on the manufacturing line summer 2025 and therefore isn’t an issue for any/all manufactured CTs after that point last summer. Your bet is wrong. If anything, the delay is most likely related to ramp-up issues with DBE tech at both Tesla and Panasonic for the 4680 cells.

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What did grok say ?

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

What did grok say ?

Bill

Asked and answered in my original post and Grok response - which you clearly didn’t bother to read:

Post in thread 'You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars' https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/youre-being-lied-to-about-electric-cars.351199/post-3250673


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[easyrider]

Asked and answered in my original post and Grok response - which you clearly didn’t bother to read:

Post in thread 'You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars' https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/youre-being-lied-to-about-electric-cars.351199/post-3250673


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I did read it but your post contain zero data. No actual numbers. While I hope the best for the Cyber Truck it doesn't look that good for 2026 is my point.

Bill

B AI

Tesla Cybertruck sales in 2025 dropped by nearly 50% to 20,237 units, down from 38,965 in 2024, representing a significant decline as early adopter demand faded. Sales were heavily impacted by the loss of the $7,500 federal EV tax credit, rising competition, and various mechanical recalls, resulting in the largest percentage drop for any EV model in 2025.


Key 2025 Cybertruck Sales Data

• Total 2025 Sales: 20,237 units.
• Decline: 48.1% drop compared to 2024.
• Q4 2025 Sales: 4,140 units, a 68.1% decline from Q4 2024.

Production Status: Reports on current availability are mixed:

• Some industry observers claim the vehicle's production is "sold out" through the end of 2026 following the introduction of a more affordable $59,900 variant in February.
• Conversely, other analysts point to a sharp long-term decline, noting that 2025 sales plummeted 48% to just 20,237 units for the entire year

In 2025, over 115,000 Tesla Cybertrucks (covering 2024–2026 model years) were recalled across several campaigns, primarily due to issues with excessively bright parking lights (approx. 63,600 vehicles) and potentially detaching trim panels (over 46,000 vehicles). No major, separate recall figures for 2026 have been reported as of early 2026.
Key 2025/2026 Cybertruck Recalls:

• October 2025 (Lights): Approx. 63,619 vehicles (2024–2026 models) were recalled for front parking lights that were too bright, causing a potential safety hazard.
• March 2025 (Trim): Over 46,000 vehicles (2024–2025 models) were recalled because a trim panel along the windshield could detach.
• Total Impact: Through 2025, nearly 116,000 Cybertrucks were subject to various recalls, more than doubling the 2024 recall figures.

As of April 2025, reports indicated Tesla had a backlog of approximately 2,400 to over 10,000 unsold Cybertrucks sitting in inventory. While Tesla initially boasted over 1 million reservations, the company struggled to convert them into sales, leading to significant inventory buildup and production cuts.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I did read it but your post contain zero data. No actual numbers. While I hope the best for the Cyber Truck it doesn't look that good for 2026 is my point.

Bill

B AI

Tesla Cybertruck sales in 2025 dropped by nearly 50% to 20,237 units, down from 38,965 in 2024, representing a significant decline as early adopter demand faded. Sales were heavily impacted by the loss of the $7,500 federal EV tax credit, rising competition, and various mechanical recalls, resulting in the largest percentage drop for any EV model in 2025.


Key 2025 Cybertruck Sales Data

• Total 2025 Sales: 20,237 units.
• Decline: 48.1% drop compared to 2024.
• Q4 2025 Sales: 4,140 units, a 68.1% decline from Q4 2024.

Production Status: Reports on current availability are mixed:

• Some industry observers claim the vehicle's production is "sold out" through the end of 2026 following the introduction of a more affordable $59,900 variant in February.
• Conversely, other analysts point to a sharp long-term decline, noting that 2025 sales plummeted 48% to just 20,237 units for the entire year

In 2025, over 115,000 Tesla Cybertrucks (covering 2024–2026 model years) were recalled across several campaigns, primarily due to issues with excessively bright parking lights (approx. 63,600 vehicles) and potentially detaching trim panels (over 46,000 vehicles). No major, separate recall figures for 2026 have been reported as of early 2026.
Key 2025/2026 Cybertruck Recalls:

• October 2025 (Lights): Approx. 63,619 vehicles (2024–2026 models) were recalled for front parking lights that were too bright, causing a potential safety hazard.
• March 2025 (Trim): Over 46,000 vehicles (2024–2025 models) were recalled because a trim panel along the windshield could detach.
• Total Impact: Through 2025, nearly 116,000 Cybertrucks were subject to various recalls, more than doubling the 2024 recall figures.

As of April 2025, reports indicated Tesla had a backlog of approximately 2,400 to over 10,000 unsold Cybertrucks sitting in inventory. While Tesla initially boasted over 1 million reservations, the company struggled to convert them into sales, leading to significant inventory buildup and production cuts.

None of that has anything to do with your post here where you attempted to relate past recalls to current production delays - falsely I might add: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/youre-being-lied-to-about-electric-cars.351199/post-3250562

Per my reply, the data provided in the Grok post clearly outlines that the production lines were altered in March 2025 to eliminate the issues outlined in the recall. Since you appear not to be able to use basic logic here, what this means is that your theory that the production delays are somehow related to issues with past recalls on the manufacturing lines is bunk. Clear enough?

Since you moved the goalposts to now attempt to argue something entirely different, that the CT production numbers haven't been great, which has already been widely discussed and agreed upon in this very thread, I'll consider this matter closed, other than to simply state that introducing a less expensive model that better meets the requirements of the market for pickups - keeping the original bed cover in place - with a less expensive interior and fewer options that most truck folks don't care about anyways - will likely result in more buyers - which is proven out by the larger orders and the estimated production delays going out as far as 2027 due to the larger than expected volume of orders last month. That said, Tesla just increased the price of that model from $59,990 to $69,990 as of 3/1/2026 - so we'll have to observe how that price increase impacts future orders.

 

[easyrider]

None of that has anything to do with your post here where you attempted to relate past recalls to current production delays - falsely I might add: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/youre-being-lied-to-about-electric-cars.351199/post-3250562

Per my reply, the data provided in the Grok post clearly outlines that the production lines were altered in March 2025 to eliminate the issues outlined in the recall. Since you appear not to be able to use basic logic here, what this means is that your theory that the production delays are somehow related to issues with past recalls on the manufacturing lines is bunk. Clear enough?

Since you moved the goalposts to now attempt to argue something entirely different, that the CT production numbers haven't been great, which has already been widely discussed and agreed upon in this very thread, I'll consider this matter closed, other than to simply state that introducing a less expensive model that better meets the requirements of the market for pickups - keeping the original bed cover in place - with a less expensive interior and fewer options that most truck folks don't care about anyways - will likely result in more buyers - which is proven out by the larger orders and the estimated production delays going out as far as 2027 due to the larger than expected volume of orders last month. That said, Tesla just increased the price of that model from $59,990 to $69,990 as of 3/1/2026 - so we'll have to observe how that price increase impacts future orders.

I'm not trying to move a goal post. I'm just randomly spouting off my opinion on why the CT is failing. Here is something to consider. Most reservations for the Cyber Truck are cancelled. Maybe 3% of these reservations are delivered. That's the track record. Why would it change now ?

Bill

 

[Ken555]

I'm just randomly spouting off my opinion

Yup.

 

[easyrider]

Yup.

I'm surprised you aren't misusing Claude as a response. It's usually entertaining. Do you like the Cyber Truck Ken ?

Bill

 

[Ken555]

I'm surprised you aren't misusing Claude as a response. It's usually entertaining. Do you like the Cyber Truck Ken ?

Bill

I'm not in the market for a pickup. I've previously posted my opinion of the cybertruck.

Sadly, it's obvious to any objective reader that you have difficulty with context, facts, and logical reasoning. Are you okay?

 

[easyrider]

I'm not in the market for a pickup. I've previously posted my opinion of the cybertruck.

Sadly, it's obvious to any objective reader that you have difficulty with context, facts, and logical reasoning. Are you okay?

Well it's a bit cloudy and cool on the ocean in Southern California so we might go for a walk but will be wearing our jackets. It's after 11 am and I'm still feeling like its 8 am. Yes, I'm okay, just missing the nice weather we had, thanks for asking.

I will say that an objective reader is a neutral reader. Since you aren't a neutral reader what makes you think that you are an objective reader ? You are more of a subjective reader, imo.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

Well it's a bit cloudy and cool on the ocean in Southern California so we might go for a walk but will be wearing our jackets. It's after 11 am and I'm still feeling like its 8 am. Yes, I'm okay, just missing the nice weather we had, thanks for asking.

I will say that an objective reader is a neutral reader. Since you aren't a neutral reader what makes you think that you are an objective reader ? You are more of a subjective reader, imo.

Bill

Bill is roaming around my town. I'll be on the lookout for a Town Car driving erratically.

 

[easyrider]

Bill is roaming around my town. I'll be on the lookout for a Town Car driving erratically.

More like slowly, lol.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Wow - quite the new blade battery from BYD:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029612386093551817

 

[PigsDad]

Wow - quite the new blade battery from BYD:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029612386093551817

Well, there goes the argument of, "I can fill up my ICE vehicle's tank in 5 minutes."

Kurt

 

[emeryjre]

Well, there goes the argument of, "I can fill up my ICE vehicle's tank in 5 minutes."

Kurt

Everybody in the US will still get to use the argument
Nothing like the BYD battery is on the horizon in the US
At least not that I aware of

 

[HitchHiker71]

Everybody in the US will still get to use the argument
Nothing like the BYD battery is on the horizon in the US
At least not that I aware of

Nor do we have any L3 chargers remotely capable of delivering 10C charging (1500+kw). So even if we could get the BEVs - no chargers are around to deliver those charge rates. The fastest chargers we have are around 500kw maximum - and most are only 250kw - with a small subset able to deliver 325-350kw right now. Tesla is slowly rolling out their megachargers capable of delivering 1MW charging, but that's only for commercial vehicles like Semi that use a different/larger connector type capable of supporting much higher charging rates.