reservation strategy

[raphwyndham]

in my last meeting with a club member owner that sold me some extra points. He told me that a mentor can manipulate the reservations at Bonnet Creek Orlando in order to make sure that I have my 60 day 50% off reservation rebate as well as my upgrade even in spring break vacation do anybody know how to reserve 13 months in advance and then cancel inside the 60 day period to make sure that you get the same room at the discounted price without having somebody else taking the reservation that you just cancelled before you can book it again?

 

[paxsarah]

in my last meeting with a club member owner that sold me some extra points. He told me that a mentor can manipulate the reservations at Bonnet Creek Orlando in order to make sure that I have my 60 day 50% off reservation rebate as well as my upgrade even in spring break vacation do anybody know how to reserve 13 months in advance and then cancel inside the 60 day period to make sure that you get the same room at the discounted price without having somebody else taking the reservation that you just cancelled before you can book it again?

That hasn’t been a reliable strategy since 2017. In 2017 they updated the system to vary the time when a canceled reservation comes back (if at all). If anyone’s cracked it, I’m not aware.

 

[raphwyndham]

ok thanks

 

[FL Guy]

in my last meeting with a club member owner that sold me some extra points. He told me that a mentor can manipulate the reservations at Bonnet Creek Orlando in order to make sure that I have my 60 day 50% off reservation rebate as well as my upgrade even in spring break vacation do anybody know how to reserve 13 months in advance and then cancel inside the 60 day period to make sure that you get the same room at the discounted price without having somebody else taking the reservation that you just cancelled before you can book it again?

Sadly, in all likelihood you were lied to so you would buy more points. I've been told several confirmed lies by sales weasels regarding getting VIP discounts: 1. You can book a reservation 1 day longer than the length of stay you really want, then modify the reservation at the 60-day window and your discount will be applied - I and others on TUG have tried this and it doesn't work, 2. You can book a reservation, then call the VIP help line at the 60-day window and tell them you want them to "apply your VIP discount" - the VIP help line has confirmed to me they cannot "apply a discount". All the help line can do on an existing reservation it to add a guest certificate or modify the reservation date, depending upon availability. The help line can do a "book and cancel" for you, depending upon availability, but you can do that yourself online.

IF there is availability showing during the 60-day window that you want, you can "book and cancel", meaning you book another unit you want to get the discount, then cancel your original reservation. When you are booking the 2nd stay, you will get notification that you have overlapping reservations, and you have 48 hours to either put a guest certificate one of them or cancel one of them. (If there are two people on your Wyndham account you can book one under each name and hold two coincident reservations at the same time.) But there has to be availability showing in order to "book and cancel".
I've also been told that the reason I'm not seeing availability of units to "book and cancel" is because I have 3 "small-ish" CWA contracts and that if I just buy more points and combine those contracts into 1 contract that I will "always" see availability to be able to "book and cancel" at the 60=day window to get the discount - I am not buying more points to do this, so I can't confirm that is yet another sales weasel lie, but I highly suspect it is.

 

[raphwyndham]

thank you sooo much for all your help ! best website ever

 

[raphwyndham]

and what about renting cars and paying for hotels with club wyndham acess points ? what is the best way to book 2 day trip hotels like in toronto canada with wyndham points

 

[FL Guy]

and what about renting cars and paying for hotels with club wyndham acess points ? what is the best way to book 2 day trip hotels like in toronto canada with wyndham points

Others might have a different opinion on this than I do, but my perspective is that the best use of Club Wyndham points is to book stays at Club Wyndham properties. Using them for stays at Worldmark properties isn't a bad deal, but it costs $79 "club pass fee" to do it. Depositing them into RCI to book other timeshares cost exchange fees. The conversion rate for your maintenance dollars to use the points for hotel stays or rental cars is not as good as using them to book Wyndham properties, so I have never done that.

 

[kanerf]

The only way to reliably use Book & Cancel is to make sure you have enough points to make the new reservation before cancelling the original.

 

[PhilD41]

and what about renting cars and paying for hotels with club wyndham acess points ? what is the best way to book 2 day trip hotels like in toronto canada with wyndham points

Generally speaking, the conversion rate is bad, really bad. So, if you can use your points for Wyndham properties do. That said, converting them to a hotel stay, if needed, is a better option then loosing your points. After all, you have already paid for them. But yea, do can do a quick calculation (# points * MF/1K) for the hotel stay and see what the real cost is. It will always be significantly higher than booking the hotel outright. However, sometimes that doesn't matter. It will depend on you and your needs.

 

[Double U]

in my last meeting with a club member owner that sold me some extra points. He told me that a mentor can manipulate the reservations at Bonnet Creek Orlando in order to make sure that I have my 60 day 50% off reservation rebate as well as my upgrade even in spring break vacation do anybody know how to reserve 13 months in advance and then cancel inside the 60 day period to make sure that you get the same room at the discounted price without having somebody else taking the reservation that you just cancelled before you can book it again?

Have you considered reporting this to the real estate commission? Just think, someone sat in that chair after you and may have fell for it and wasted tens of thousands of dollars. If you can share the state where this occurred, I'll be happy to share the form. They truly are designed to be short and simple, a few minutes and you can often even remain anonymous. I see this is your first time posting, and I don't want to overwhelm you, I just share this if you are interested in helping the next guy!? Regardless, you did the right thing coming here. Hopefully they saved you thousands of dollars, and years of frustration.

 

[Floridaman76]

Cancel / rebook is a real crap shoot anymore. If you have the extra points it's worth a try, but I would be very weary to just cancel and rebook afterwards if you depend on those points to do the booking

 

[raphwyndham]

it was at bonnet creek in orlando florida . i have them on records as well .

 

[chapjim]

Cancel / rebook is a real crap shoot anymore. If you have the extra points it's worth a try, but I would be very weary to just cancel and rebook afterwards if you depend on those points to do the booking

I've had a few successes but I don't try cancel/rebook unless it is a reservation that I'll keep if I can get a discount but cancel if I can't.

 

[lost patience]

I'm guessing we have been successful 60% to 70% of the time in getting our trips at discount and/or upgrade. We have several owners on our account. We book 2 or 3 units for each one we plan on using, that provides 1 or 2 extras to cancel in hopes they will return so we can book at a discount. Sometimes they return quickly, other times random. Who knows if I'm just watching several times a day and get the one I cancelled back or one someone else cancelled. And, sometimes I don't see anything return, but that could also mean it returned at some random time and another owner booked the days.

 

[comicbookman]

I'm guessing we have been successful 60% to 70% of the time in getting our trips at discount and/or upgrade. We have several owners on our account. We book 2 or 3 units for each one we plan on using, that provides 1 or 2 extras to cancel in hopes they will return so we can book at a discount. Sometimes they return quickly, other times random. Who knows if I'm just watching several times a day and get the one I cancelled back or one someone else cancelled. And, sometimes I don't see anything return, but that could also mean it returned at some random time and another owner booked the days.

Or someone else who booked earlier got an upgrade. the only guaranteed strategy is book and then cancel, which requires the discount to already be available.

 

[Double U]

Follow this link.

Welcome to DBPR Online Services (login.login)

Click the link on the left side of the page with the title "file a complaint".

On the next page, select Condominiums, Cooperatives, Timeshares, & Multi-Site Timeshares for the "board" and "timeshare project" as the License Type. Then type out your complaint. I made one up using your example. You can copy and paste from your post and then add what you need. Simple! Here is what I did:

After that, just follow it along, skip pages that don't apply, and there will also be a place in the process to attach the files you mentioned.

Oh, there will be a page where you have to list the organization name you are reporting. This is the one thing that is tricky. Especially Bonnet Creek. You have to look them up as "Fairfield" to get the search to work. See how it appears below:

At the end you will have something like this:

Click submit and done! I can't stress how important these reports are. Without them, nothing can begin.

 

[Floridaman76]

I thought we were talking about reservation strategies

 

[MLClan]

Anyone know how the waitlist plays into the cancel and rebook? I would assume ( and yes, I know how to spell it ) that if there is a waitlist for a give resort, time and unit size, then the computer would grab it before you could rebook.

 

[Floridaman76]

Anyone know how the waitlist plays into the cancel and rebook? I would assume ( and yes, I know how to spell it ) that if there is a waitlist for a give resort, time and unit size, then the computer would grab it before you could rebook.

I would think so... I would think, especially outside of 90 days, when a reservation is cancelled, anyone on the waitlist would get a crack at it before it just gets released back to be rebooked.

 

[paxsarah]

Anyone know how the waitlist plays into the cancel and rebook? I would assume ( and yes, I know how to spell it ) that if there is a waitlist for a give resort, time and unit size, then the computer would grab it before you could rebook.

Waitlist applies outside 60 days, so not in the discount and upgrade window. Automatic upgrades apply inside the 60 day window. I would guess they work similarly in terms of capturing cancellations that match the parameters of the request, but I don’t really know.

 

[Double U]

From personal experience, the waitlist does not function as intended. I have had unfilled requests at level 2 (meaning alot of us were on the waitlist) where I found the reservation available for general booking and my waitlist request still unfulfilled (Yes, I booked it myself and canceled the waitlist request), and I've also had waitlist requests actually fulfilled. Personally, I'd say it's as reliable as the auto upgrade problems. What I'm saying is.... yes, the waitlist can create a hold on the cancelled reservation. But don't think tricking the system is a guarantee either. Personally, I book what I want these days and have been forgoing my benefits. If I stumble upon a discount and have the points, I will book / cancel, but in today's world there aren't the opportunities of yesteryear. From the ten month window to check in day, the waitlist or auto upgrade are likely to interfere, even if they aren't working as they should.

 

[comicbookman]

From personal experience, the waitlist does not function as intended. I have had unfilled requests at level 2 (meaning alot of us were on the waitlist) where I found the reservation available for general booking and my waitlist request still unfulfilled (Yes, I booked it myself and canceled the waitlist request), and I've also had waitlist requests actually fulfilled. Personally, I'd say it's as reliable as the auto upgrade problems. What I'm saying is.... yes, the waitlist can create a hold on the cancelled reservation. But don't think tricking the system is a guarantee either. Personally, I book what I want these days and have been forgoing my benefits. If I stumble upon a discount and have the points, I will book / cancel, but in today's world there aren't the opportunities of yesteryear. From the ten month window to check in day, the waitlist or auto upgrade are likely to interfere, even if they aren't working as they should.

That has been my experience as well.

 

[paxsarah]

From personal experience, the waitlist does not function as intended. I have had unfilled requests at level 2 (meaning alot of us were on the waitlist) where I found the reservation available for general booking and my waitlist request still unfulfilled (Yes, I booked it myself and canceled the waitlist request), and I've also had waitlist requests actually fulfilled. Personally, I'd say it's as reliable as the auto upgrade problems. What I'm saying is.... yes, the waitlist can create a hold on the cancelled reservation. But don't think tricking the system is a guarantee either. Personally, I book what I want these days and have been forgoing my benefits. If I stumble upon a discount and have the points, I will book / cancel, but in today's world there aren't the opportunities of yesteryear. From the ten month window to check in day, the waitlist or auto upgrade are likely to interfere, even if they aren't working as they should.

No, I don't think it's a guarantee, but your experience actually makes me think that they do "work similarly" in terms of capturing cancellations - that is, that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, and there's no clear reason as to why. (We already knew this about upgrades but I hadn't heard similar stories about the waitlist - especially because it's a less competitive timeframe so people aren't as laser focused on it.)

 

[Double U]

No, I don't think it's a guarantee, but your experience actually makes me think that they do "work similarly" in terms of capturing cancellations - that is, that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, and there's no clear reason as to why. (We already knew this about upgrades but I hadn't heard similar stories about the waitlist - especially because it's a less competitive timeframe so people aren't as laser focused on it.)

My situation was a real life experience and not manufactured. But play around with it if you have the points.

 

[paxsarah]

My situation was a real life experience and not manufactured. But play around with it if you have the points.

I wasn't suggesting it was manufactured. I'm saying your experience comports pretty much exactly with the same complaints have with automatic upgrades, but people just don't discuss/complain as much about the waitlist so it's a useful data point. So when I said they "work similarly" I mean behave similarly - which doesn't necessarily mean they match all the time when it looks like they should. (And I've got both of my waitlist slots in use for a unit that I'll almost certainly not find in open inventory either so I'm not going to play around with it, but that's okay because I trust you.)